Sabbath

[PS]

We are in the Hebrew Calendar year 5778.

The wise men who calculated the calendar from the week of creation did so by using only the figures provided in the Tanakh..Old Testament.

They utilized the time from Adam by the ages given in the genealogies.

The earth is billions of years old and you have proved not only the foolishness of Jewish teaching regarding the Sabbath, but the foolishness of Judaism generally.

 

[comingfrom]

Let us go though a typical sabbath, shall we?
I am talking your typical suburban Christians, who revere the sabbaths and claim to be keeping them.
They keep them on Sundays. That's when they go to Church.

Well the Pastor is up early, putting the finishing touches on his sermon,
ironing his gowns, and heading of to the Church to open it up and get everything ready for the congregation.

Meanwhile, Mr and Mrs Doe are getting ready to go to Church.
John is under the car fixing the exhaust because he couldn't get around to it during the week,
and you can't turn up with your car sounding like that.
Jane is in the kitchen fixing breakfast, and in the bedroom dressing a child, and in the bathroom scrubbing up another child,
and after frantically running around and a small tense argument and kids screaming 'coz they hate church, they get to go.

They're finally in the Church and Pastor gives them another same old saved by grace, old covenant, new covenant, we don't need to keep His law sermon which sends every one to sleep.
(They still keep the ten, by calling their Sunday a sabbath)
After a bit of praying and singing, or whatever happens in that Church, then they're free.

Mr Doe drives Mum and kids home and then goes off to golf.
Pastor goes to the local "pillars of society" to socialize to see what advantage he can gain.
They call this their holy day for the Lord.

I hope you see what I am saying.
People aren't getting their rest.
In the sabbath we have to take our self to Lord.
Get Him to feed us.
These are His feasts.

That doesn't happen while you are talking to people.
It doesn't happen by just resting and having a lazy day, and calling that no work.
For me, even taking thoughts for anything in my life is work.
If you are thinking, your inner eye isn't on Lord. It's on your thoughts.
You're not focused.
The Lord might there waiting, but if you are busy entertaining thoughts...

I got to take myself away, away from the herd.
And I have to make my eye single for Lord.
And I will have read a big bundle of His words which I have many questions about.
And I'll sustain the sabbath over a number of days.

Because we are turmoil inside.
It takes a bit to calm the inner storm.
To quieten down our racing minds.
To come off the pollution of the world.
To focus on waiting and listening for Jesus, when He comes.

And He comes.
He is the Lord of the sabbath.
You know you done it right when He comes.
And you don't always do it right, and He doesn't always come.
Well for me anyway, because I am not always able to make it clean.
But next time.

Don't know when it will be.
Sometimes I decide, and sometimes the Lord decides.

Thank You Jesus
Paul

If thou turn away thy foot from doing thy pleasure on My holy day;
and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable;
and shalt honour Him,
not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD;
and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth,
and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father:
for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Isaiah 58:13-14​

 

[Endoscopy]

Thank you, Jaume.
Do you really believe God commanded us to stone people to death? With real stones?

To me, that is a pure carnal interpretation.
What about, Thou shalt not kill?

Because God commanded us to not kill, I had to ask Jesus what all the [seemingly] murderous commandments are about.
We have to stone the wicked to death.
Kill all the canaanites at Jericho.
So much killing and war.

Jesus said to me, cast out the devils.
I give power to kill them.

I now stone them with verses from Dueteronomy.

When we read eye for eye, it isn't a commandment.
Jesus said, if your eye is offended, pluck it out.
Not your eye, silly, your offence.

I believe God is just saying, if we do take someone's eye, we will lose ours.
Not if someone takes our eye, then we have to take theirs.
I see it relates to: If we live by the sword, we die by the sword.
And: What we sow, so shall we reap.
I don't mind saying, Karma.

He comes quickly.
He kills our devils.

I am applying them as we speak.
I am parting your meat offering which you have offered up to the priests of God (us).

Jesus did make you a priest unto God and the Father.

I just got on with doing as Jesus said.
Now I am in Israel.

Thank you.
Indeed you are blessing.

Now to share the Lord's bread, a small cake.

Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency;
and array thyself with glory and beauty.
Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath:
and behold every one that is proud, and abase him.
Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low;
and tread down the wicked in their place.
Hide them in the dust together;
and bind their faces in secret.
Then will I also confess unto thee
that thine own right hand can save thee.
Job 40:10-14

I chose this one, because I believe it relates to all the stoning and killing we have to do.
And this is all done in the kingdom of God, which is within,
and in the judgment, in the congregation.

As set out in the beginning of Deuteronomy chapter 12.
Get the names of their gods out of you.

Thank You Jesus
Paul

You are using the KJV version of the commandment. In 1611 the word kill meant murder. Read it in the NIV and it says murder there. The KJV version suffers from the flaw that English changes over time. NIV being a modern translation doesn't have that problem.

Your rant about stoning ignores that the government at the time had ties to the law in the Torah. While Rome ruled there was an allowance for local rules to apply. Are you rejecting the Torah? Here is the word of God in this matter.

Leviticus 20 New International Version (NIV)

Punishments for Sin

20 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘Any Israelite or any foreigner residing in Israel who sacrifices any of his children to Molek is to be put to death. The members of the community are to stone him. 3 I myself will set my face against him and will cut him off from his people; for by sacrificing his children to Molek, he has defiled my sanctuary and profaned my holy name. 4 If the members of the community close their eyes when that man sacrifices one of his children to Molek and if they fail to put him to death, 5 I myself will set my face against him and his family and will cut them off from their people together with all who follow him in prostituting themselves to Molek.
6 “‘I will set my face against anyone who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute themselves by following them, and I will cut them off from their people.
7 “‘Consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am the Lord your God. 8 Keep my decreesand follow them. I am the Lord, who makes you holy.
9 “‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.
10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.
11 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
12 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
14 “‘If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.
15 “‘If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Jaune.


I'll take that as a no, shall I?
The question was, do you also keep Lev 19:26?

You reply: Wise men. Numerology. Calendar.
Wise men's blood. Numerologic enchantment. Calendar for observing times.
Just my observation.

Jesus comes quickly.
Paul

We are in the Hebrew Calendar year 5778.

The wise men who calculated the calendar from the week of creation did so by using only the figures provided in the Tanakh..Old Testament.

They utilized the time from Adam by the ages given in the genealogies.

Because the law is that you shall not add to nor take away from the Word of God, when those wise Hebrews came across an incomplete genealogy, rather than attempting tto guess at the life spanned missing, because of this lae, they simply ignored those spans rather than to add to the Word of God.

You probably realize many of the folks lived hundreds of years, so with this in mind, think about this please:

The year is 5778, only 222 years to the seventh millennium.

Perhaps this does nothing for many, but for me, it says much. The missing genealogies could total very close to 222 years mius the seven years at the end.

Remember with God a thousand years is but a day when it has passed.

No, what I share here is not something I have been given to declare, excepting if you count the reasoning by the Hebrew Calendar above.

I know there is no other calendar with such a message, and I also know that perhaps the missing genalogies are just part of the reason no man knows the day nor the hour.......surely Jesus Christ is returning soon, amen.

 

[PS]

You are using the KJV version of the commandment. In 1611 the word kill meant murder. Read it in the NIV and it says murder there. The KJV version suffers from the flaw that English changes over time. NIV being a modern translation doesn't have that problem.

Your rant about stoning ignores that the government at the time had ties to the law in the Torah. While Rome ruled there was an allowance for local rules to apply. Are you rejecting the Torah? Here is the word of God in this matter.

Leviticus 20 New International Version (NIV)

Punishments for Sin

20 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘Any Israelite or any foreigner residing in Israel who sacrifices any of his children to Molek is to be put to death. The members of the community are to stone him. 3 I myself will set my face against him and will cut him off from his people; for by sacrificing his children to Molek, he has defiled my sanctuary and profaned my holy name. 4 If the members of the community close their eyes when that man sacrifices one of his children to Molek and if they fail to put him to death, 5 I myself will set my face against him and his family and will cut them off from their people together with all who follow him in prostituting themselves to Molek.
6 “‘I will set my face against anyone who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute themselves by following them, and I will cut them off from their people.
7 “‘Consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am the Lord your God. 8 Keep my decreesand follow them. I am the Lord, who makes you holy.
9 “‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.
10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.
11 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
12 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
14 “‘If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.
15 “‘If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

Murder is pre-meditated and deliberate killing, yet here they are doing the very thing the 6th commandment forbids.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is written the gospel of Jesus Christ is foolishness to those who are perishing. The entire Bible is theWord of Jesus Christ for He is theWord.

If your faith is in the knowledge of this creation only without acounting for the Creator, then I find your understanding foolishness. You see, even in the Bible it is written teh creation itself will pass away with a loud noise and all of the elements will be disolved. I understand this.

I read of the circle of the earth in the Old Testament. I read the land was created and th waters.........Apparently by how I understand it, there was originall one land mass just as there was originally one language.

I understand teh geologic column......that is the geologic time scale, but this does not mean I use it

If you study the theory of evolution and you look at the strtigraphy of teh earth along with any fossilferous rock, you will find an enormous gap between dinasaurs and today's so-called evolving fauna and flora.

If you look at the history of man, history is all accounts of civilization since the advent of writing, you will find an enormous gap between its beginning and what is claimed to have been before it.

You have chosen to be a believer in the creation, while others believe the Creator, the Self-existing, God, Yahweh.............

Convince yourself, you will never convince anyone with the gift of faith.

The earth is billions of years old and you have proved not only the foolishness of Jewish teaching regarding the Sabbath, but the foolishness of Judaism generally.

 

[PS]

It is written the gospel of Jesus Christ is foolishness to those who are perishing. The entire Bible is theWord of Jesus Christ for He is theWord.

If your faith is in the knowledge of this creation only without acounting for the Creator, then I find your understanding foolishness. You see, even in the Bible it is written teh creation itself will pass away with a loud noise and all of the elements will be disolved. I understand this.

I read of the circle of the earth in the Old Testament. I read the land was created and th waters.........Apparently by how I understand it, there was originall one land mass just as there was originally one language.

I understand teh geologic column......that is the geologic time scale, but this does not mean I use it

If you study the theory of evolution and you look at the strtigraphy of teh earth along with any fossilferous rock, you will find an enormous gap between dinasaurs and today's so-called evolving fauna and flora.

If you look at the history of man, history is all accounts of civilization since the advent of writing, you will find an enormous gap between its beginning and what is claimed to have been before it.

You have chosen to be a believer in the creation, while others believe the Creator, the Self-existing, God, Yahweh.............

Convince yourself, you will never convince anyone with the gift of faith.

The foolishness is not mine. Neither is Jewish teaching Christianity.

 

[JaumeJ]

I would sincerely like to know where you are getting that I keep the law according to your understanding.

Obeying God is never a sin. Deliberately disobeying Him is, even if we are living in His grace by Jesus Christ.

You nor anyone else here, know anything about what I do onthe Seventh Day unless you have read all of my posts, and you have not for all of yoru intellectually approaching questions have certainly been addressed.

Now do not presume to know how I practice my observance of the Seventh day, however if you would like to truly knwo how I do, look to the teachings of Jesus Christ. I do according to His teaching, not Moses, not Paul, and certainly not someone online whom I have no way of know if he or she is a troll or an actual representative of satan.

So, do not presuem about anyone in this Forum, anda again, if you want to know how I believe, just hear and know the teachigns of Jesus Christ..........

Thank you, Jaune.


I'll take that as a no, shall I?
The question was, do you also keep Lev 19:26?

You reply: Wise men. Numerology. Calendar.
Wise men's blood. Numerologic enchantment. Calendar for observing times.
Just my observation.

Jesus comes quickly.
Paul

 

[JaumeJ]

I do believe several trolls have happened by.........

 

[Endoscopy]

Murder is pre-meditated and deliberate killing, yet here they are doing the very thing the 6th commandment forbids.

There is a difference between murder and the death sentence within the law. Stoning was carrying out a death penalty. You seem to want to twist things around and not look at God's word from the complete context of the area you are looking at. That means looking at surrounding verses and verses in context having the same issue elsewhere. You seem to be arguing against the Bible. Why? You are using a technique that atheists use. Take things out of context and argue the Bible is bad.

 

[PS]

There is a difference between murder and the death sentence within the law. Stoning was carrying out a death penalty. You seem to want to twist things around and not look at God's word from the complete context of the area you are looking at. That means looking at surrounding verses and verses in context having the same issue elsewhere. You seem to be arguing against the Bible. Why? You are using a technique that atheists use. Take things out of context and argue the Bible is bad.

The difference is that the Ten Commandments are God given and the death sentence in the 613 Mitzvot laws were given by the Priestly Class i.e. the Levities and can be compared to our civil law. One is of man and the other is of God.

 

[JaumeJ]

How is it passible after the mission of Jesus Christ that there remain 611 laws?

There is not Israel.

There is no Temple.

There are no Levitical Priests not that priesthood.

Jesus has declared all foods clean by allowing that nothing by entering the body corrupts the body.

Again foods were declared clean by His appearing to Peter commanding him to take and eat of what had been designated as unclean foods.

As for punitive laws, have you not read when Jesus teaches us the three principles that must be applied when applyin ghe law? One of them is mercy.

Have you not learned of our Rabi we are not to take an eye for an eye? Rather we are to turn the other cheek.

We are to love our enemy and pray for them..just as we pray for you.

Yahweh is good all of the time, not just now and then. He is good, no qualifying adjectives or qualifying adverbs necessary.

When a person does not share the faith given by Him to all faithful, he should pray and meditate on this to receive it.

Do not even make mention of 611 laws to any who are of Yeshua, Jesus...it is a blasphemy, regarding the Es Yahweh, the Lamb of God as not worthy. Praise Jesus Chrsit, surely He is returning soon,amen.

 

[prove-all]

What day?

Do you also keep this commandment?

Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood:
neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.
Leviticus 19:26

This commandment is 3 verses, 3 commandments, befor this one.

Ye shall keep My sabbaths, and reverence My sanctuary: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:30

Paul

Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Galatians 4:10​

AN OBSERVER OF TIMES

Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards.
Its speaking of the occult. Not about following sabbath days.

GAL.4
[8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them
which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God,
or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly
elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

[10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.
[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Its speaking of those who observe times,
it says nothing about sabbaths or feast days.

DEUT.18
[9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee,
thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his
daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination,

OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,
[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits,
or a wizard, or a necromancer.


2 CHR.33
[3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father
had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves,
and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.
[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof
the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.
[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in
the two courts of the house of the LORD.
[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom:

ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used
witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards:
he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards.
Its speaking of the occult. Not about following sabbath days.

LEV.19
[26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood:

neither shall ye use enchantment, (NOR OBSERVE TIMES).
[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners
of thy beard. Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any
marks upon you: I am the LORD. Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be
a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.

[30] (YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS),
and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

-You shall not observe times, BUT you shall keep my sabbaths says the Lord.

 

[prove-all]

Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Notice the last half of the verse? Elements of what? Judaism? No, the world.

Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
Judaism knew God, they did not recognize Christ when He came.

Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

What were they returning to? Weak and beggarly elements of what?
Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

Who was Paul addressing here?

"Paul's letter is addressed "to the churches of Galatia" (Galatians 1:2), but the location of
these churches is a matter of debate. A minority of scholars have argued that the "Galatia"
is an ethnic reference to a Celtic people living in northern Asia Minor, but most agree that it
is a geographical reference to the Roman province in central Asia Minor, which had been settled by
immigrant Celts in the 270s BC and retained Gaulish features of culture and language in Paul's day."


Paul was not addressing Judah, he was addressing someone else.

Now read verse 10...

Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
These are not Jews observing Judaism, these are those who are of the world in Asia Minor
observing the weak and beggarly elements of the world, not Judaism.

 

[prove-all]

The difference is that the Ten Commandments are God given - and the death sentence
in the 613 Mitzvot laws were given by the Priestly Class i.e. the Levities and can be
compared to our civil law.

One is of man and the other is of God.

Did Jesus say we can break the laws of the land?
Do you know Jesus even favored the death penalty [capital punishment] ?

 

[PS]

Did Jesus say we can break the laws of the land?
Do you know Jesus even favored the death penalty [capital punishment] ?

Jesus did not always keep the laws of the Pharisees, for whom the Mitzvot was the law. Jesus for example healed on the Sabbath and regarding the adulterous woman, he simply told her to sin no more. The Jews would have stoned her to death.

 

[comingfrom]

Thank you, Endoscopy.

You are using the KJV version of the commandment. In 1611 the word kill meant murder. Read it in the NIV and it says murder there. The KJV version suffers from the flaw that English changes over time. NIV being a modern translation doesn't have that problem.

Not a problem for me.
I don't strain over gnats. And I don't do either murder or killing.
Unless it is a cursed bull.

Your rant about stoning ignores that the government at the time had ties to the law in the Torah. While Rome ruled there was an allowance for local rules to apply. Are you rejecting the Torah? Here is the word of God in this matter.

Leviticus 20 New International Version (NIV)

Punishments for Sin

20 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘Any Israelite or any foreigner residing in Israel who sacrifices any of his children to Molek is to be put to death. The members of the community are to stone him. 3 I myself will set my face against him and will cut him off from his people; for by sacrificing his children to Molek, he has defiled my sanctuary and profaned my holy name. 4 If the members of the community close their eyes when that man sacrifices one of his children to Molek and if they fail to put him to death, 5 I myself will set my face against him and his family and will cut them off from their people together with all who follow him in prostituting themselves to Molek.
6 “‘I will set my face against anyone who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute themselves by following them, and I will cut them off from their people.
7 “‘Consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am the Lord your God. 8 Keep my decreesand follow them. I am the Lord, who makes you holy.
9 “‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.
10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.
11 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
12 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
14 “‘If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.
15 “‘If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

Firstly, notice that it is a judgment, not a commandment.
It isn't saying thou shalt put that couple to death.

God is the one putting them to death.
If you put them to death, He shall put you to death also,
for disobeying thou shalt not murder.

But here is the passage that contains the verse that commands stoning

If thy brother, the son of thy mother,
or thy son, or thy daughter,
or the wife of thy bosom,
or thy friend, which is as thine own soul,
entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known,
thou, nor thy fathers;
Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee,
from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him;
neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
But thou shalt surely kill him;
thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die;
because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God,
which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deuteronomy 30:6-11

If we take that literally, it goes directly against a commandment in the ten commandments.
But just as with the adulterous couple, the death is not literal.
We are all dead until we eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink His blood,
from eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Aren't we.
God's death is the second death.

And that opens the possibilities for a better interpretation.
So we look for more scripture that might help us.

And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly.
Deuteronomy 27:8

I don't ever remembering hearing that those old time stoners took the time to stop and write the laws plainly on the stones before throwing them.
If they were following the law, they aught to have done that.
But I can tell you where I do see them doing that.
Right here on the Christian forums.

Someone makes an offering, and others come along and make judgment.
Those that deem the offering to be evil start throwing stones at the person who made the offering.
Not literally of course, but by posting.
And a good stone has the law written on it, that the original offerer transgressed.

Now you saw my offering, and judged it isn't a good one,
so you wrote to stone me, and plainly wrote a law on it.
(But you don't want us to keep it.)

I pick up your stone, and write one back you,
and I have plainly written laws on my stone to you too.
(I do want you to keep them.)

The people watching this thread watch us and read our words.

And all Israel shall hear, and fear,
and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.
Deuteronomy 30:12

Each will decide who is the wicked of us two, and what to do no more.

~~`
I had already explained.
And you asked me to explain myself again. And thank you for that.
But you didn't get it the first time, I hope you get it this time.

Seems to me, you had to split hairs over a word first to justify your position.
And your position? You believe the stoners were right, and correctly interpreting the word.
And that God actually commands to literally stone people to death in His law.

And killing people by stoning is ok, as long as we don't murder them?
Is that what you were saying?
Because I didn't really get why you were splitting hairs over that translation.

And then you couldn't even find the right verse.

I know, you hoped to accuse me of being a non keeper.
And you want God's law to be an evil thing to excuse you for not having kept it.
You didn't realize I was going to stone you back.
And your bull is laying in pieces now.
I have stoned it to death, because you tried to separate me from the Lord.
And you have cast aspersion on His law.

I now await your next stone, to see how you can recover yourself.

Paul

 

[prove-all]

God is the one putting them to death.
If you put them to death, He shall put you to death also,
for disobeying thou shalt not murder.

The Old Testament of the Bible speaks with perfect plainness on the issue of capital punishment:
“He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death” (Exodus 21:12).

Genesis 9:6 and Leviticus 24:17 also give full authority to those sitting in judgment to execute a
murderer. Deuteronomy 19:11-13 commands unsparing punishment for such a killer: “…deliver him
into the hand of the AVENGER OF BLOOD, that he may die. Thine eye SHALL NOT PITY HIM,
but thou shalt PUT AWAY THE GUILT of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with thee.”

Strong words, those. The God of the Old Testament clearly favored the death penalty.
The scriptures show that Jesus Christ was the God of the Old Testament.
In the New Testament book of Romans, God REAFFIRMS that authority:

“Let every soul be subject unto the governing authorities. For there is no authority except
from God, and the authorities that exist [speaking of man’s governments and courts] are
appointed by God.… For he [a government or court official] is God’s minister [“servant”
or “magistrate” in some translations] to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he
does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an AVENGER TO EXECUTE
WRATH on him who practices evil” (Romans 13:1-4; New King James Version).

The God of love tells us in such scriptures as Hebrews 12:5-6 that for our own good those who
commit wrong must be corrected. Correction is the God-given means to prevent crime and other
problems. Using strong correction FORCES CHANGE in criminals convicted of lesser offenses
and eliminates entirely the threat of those convicted of violent crimes such as murder.

“Punishment, when meted out in the proper manner, and at the proper time, is one of the
greatest blessings a human being—at any age—can receive!” The reason is that if we do
not receive correction, we will proceed on a course to our own destruction (Proverbs 14:12).

Through correction, God can steer us in the path toward a happy, fulfilled life.

Many people reject God’s clear commandments involving implementation of the death penalty.
And though the death penalty was reinstated by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1976, Americans have
demenstrated a fear to sternly correct evildoers, and are vacillating in their determination to use
the God-given option of executing people for horrible wrongs.

As the late FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover once stated about our modern permissive society,
we have “substituted INDULGENCE for discipline.” The result is that our prisons are full
to overflowing and our society is inundated in violent crime.

Discipline Promptly

In Proverbs 19:18, God gives us the principle that applies to disobedient children, juvenile delinquents
or hardened criminals. We are told, “Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for
his crying” (Proverbs 19:18). There comes a point for an undisciplined child when there is no (or very
little) hope of correcting bad behavior. Often, a delinquent—and finally a hardened criminal—will result
because the parents were too soft during their child’s early years, when they had the greatest hope of
curbing the child’s self-centered and destructive ways.

As parents and as a society, we are not to “spare for his crying” by lessening the punishment. Proverbs
13:24 admonishes us, “He who spares his rod hates his son, but he who loves him DISCIPLINES HIM
PROMPTLY” (NKJV). For the good of society and the individual, swift, stern justice must be meted
out when wrongs are brought to light.

Ecclesiastes 8:11 tells us the importance of swift punishment when it says, “Because sentence against
an evil work is not EXECUTED SPEEDILY, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them
to DO EVIL.” How clear and wise! When wrongdoing is not immediately punished, then all or almost
all of the deterrent value to any subsequent punishment is lost!

As for determining a person’s guilt, there is only one biblical rule: “Whoever kills a person, the
murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses; but one witness is not sufficient
testimony against a person for the death penalty” (Numbers 35:30). Deuteronomy 17:6 agrees:
“Whoever is worthy of death shall be put to death on the testimony of two or three witnesses,
but he shall not be put to death on the testimony of one witness” .

In God’s eyes, repeated reprieves and appeals—and now, insistence upon DNA testing to
verify guilt—should not be necessary for death-row inmates.

Ezra 7:26 guides us toward speedy response to crime by stating, “And whosoever will not do the
law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be
unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.”

The criminal mind does not respect authority. The only thing such a person respects is equal or
stronger FORCE! And when that strong force is used immediately to severely punish an offender,
it makes others of like mind think twice before acting likewise.

However, once again, the liberal element in our society says there is little deterrent value in
punishments such as the death penalty. They have a point—but only because of how hesitant
our courts are to use the death penalty!

The Deterrence Factor

No sane man or woman wants to put another person to death. It is understandable to have
a certain degree of pity for someone who is going to die, even if he or she deserves to die.

People who commit crimes are promised a fair trial—NOT a perfect trial. Yet so many of the
habeas corpus appeals (many of which amount to little more than stalling tactics) are procedural
and/or frivolous in nature, nit-picking the court over minor imperfections in court procedure.

Flawed humans will make mistakes. But that must not stop us from following God’s plain commands!
A swift death penalty was intended by our Creator to deter or restrain additional people from com-
mitting the sin of murder. To stop or delay the death penalty because the courts are afraid of making
a mistake is direct disobedience to God and His laws!

Many a career criminal has already proven he cannot “make it” in normal society; and if he murders,
rapes, robs and commits general mayhem, SO WHAT? He knows he’ll be provided food and shelter
for the rest of his life so that he never has to work again!

Why should he fear to kill? Even though he probably murdered unmercifully, the “merciful” liberals
will see to it that HIS life is spared so that the taxpayers can support him for the next 20, 40 or 60
years in a prison environment where he is “somebody”—a “man among men” so to speak!

We must not get softer on crime, we must get tougher!

The book of Proverbs states, “When the scorner is punished, the simple is made wise,”
and “Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware” (Proverbs 21:11; 19:25). People can
learn vicariously from the experiences of others!

The deterrent effect of the death penalty is muted because of current practices. But even
basic understanding of human nature tells us that, if administered properly, the death penalty
would have a significant deterrent effect!

 

[oldethennew]

some try to 'kill' The Word of God, by deviousness and serving 'the one' who
rules this 'fallen-world'...

 

[Dai3234]

It is best to research the word death and others, in relation to the Greek. Death does not always mean death in the Bible. Sometimes it means separate. As far as I've heard. (Grace & truth ministries, Jim brown)