Which of Jesus' teachings were applicable only to the Jews?

[Marcelo]

So you are saying I should sell my possessions and give the money to the church leaving my family without a place to live??? You are following that I presume. So you and your family live on the streets. You have a very strange theology.

No, I didn't say we should sell our possessions -- it was Jesus who said that in Luke 12:33.

Jesus gave that teaching when Israel was under the law of Moses, and I believe that "sell your possessions" is not a commandment for Christians in the dispensation of grace.

 

[Enow]

We all know that Jesus preached to the Jews while Paul preached to the Gentiles. I feel that Jesus brought the Law to its full expression just to show the Jews that no one can be saved by keeping it.

Here are some evidences that some of Jesus’ teachings were for the Jews only:

Matthew 5:20
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

That is Jesus referring to obtaining His righteousness by believing in Him which means beyond the law which can apply to Gentiles too.

If you note verse 19, those who break the least of His commandments and teaches others so are least in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Matthew 5:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So how can any one fulfill surpassing the righteousness of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law and yet still be in His kingdom if they break on of His least commandments and teaches others so? By obtaining His righteousness by believing in Him. That means His words to the Jews also applies to the Gentiles.

Matthew 5:23
"Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, …

That applies to the Gentiles believers as well since if we had offended a fellow believer, we should confess our fault to that believer and ask for forgiveness before giving an offering to the Lord.

Luke 12:33
“Sell your possessions and give to the poor”.

Matthew 19:16
Jesus said to the young rich man: “If you want to enter life, keep the commandments”. Then: “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor”. Jesus added: “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

I know that Christians in the first century did sell possessions and shared the money with those in need, but they didn’t do that in an attempt to keep any law – they were just being guided by the Holy Spirit. We Christians are not required to sell our possessions and give alms, but Jesus taught that as a commandment to the Jews.

Most of us, in Christian Chat, are relatively rich. So, if all of Jesus’ teachings are for Christians, practically no one in here will be saved.

Many of the principles that Jesus taught are everlasting, but I feel that some are not.

Again, my question is: Which of Jesus’ teachings were applicable only to the Jews?

Luke 12:33 & Matthew 19:16 is a call to someone rich to physically follow Him as His disciple whereas now, that He is above, His modern day disciples must lean on Him to be ready to give up this life and their loved ones to follow the Bridegroom above when He appears at the pre trib rapture event. That is the cost of discipleship mentioned in Luke 14:25-36 because the cares of this life can serve as a snare to believers that they would excuse themselves from the King's Supper in favor of this life and their loved ones to be left behind when the Bridegroom comes; Luke 14:15-24.

Both Luke 14:25-36 & Luke 14:15-24 at this link at Bible Gateway.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+14:25-36;15-24&version=KJV

So it is in that sense, we need to rely on Him all the time to help us be abiding in Him as ready & not just be willing to go.

Luke 21:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.[SUP] 34 [/SUP]And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[Endoscopy]

You're right! I need to revise my statement.

Original:



Revised:

Oops messed up and retracted it.

 

[Endoscopy]

No, I didn't say we should sell our possessions -- it was Jesus who said that in Luke 12:33.

Jesus gave that teaching when Israel was under the law of Moses, and I believe that "sell your possessions" is not a commandment for Christians in the dispensation of grace.

Aw Shucks. Backtracking from your previously stated position I argued against. I'm glad you came to your senses.

 

[PS]

Luke 12:33 & Matthew 19:16 is a call to someone rich to physically follow Him as His disciple whereas now, that He is above, His modern day disciples must lean on Him to be ready to give up this life and their loved ones to follow the Bridegroom above when He appears at the pre trib rapture event. That is the cost of discipleship mentioned in Luke 14:25-36 because the cares of this life can serve as a snare to believers that they would excuse themselves from the King's Supper in favor of this life and their loved ones to be left behind when the Bridegroom comes;

If I may put it in a nutshell, I believe Jesus was saying we should put the kingdom of God first above all things and follow Him. If we truly follow Jesus, then the things of earth, money and possessions etc. will simply fade away.

The Rich Young Ruler preferred riches to the Kingdom of God.

 

[Endoscopy]

No, I didn't say we should sell our possessions -- it was Jesus who said that in Luke 12:33.

Jesus gave that teaching when Israel was under the law of Moses, and I believe that "sell your possessions" is not a commandment for Christians in the dispensation of grace.

Read in context it was a directive to a single person and went to the point his possessions were too important to him. People using that verse are taking it out of context. Always always put verses into context.

 

[louis]

We all know that Jesus preached to the Jews while Paul preached to the Gentiles. I feel that Jesus brought the Law to its full expression just to show the Jews that no one can be saved by keeping it.

Here are some evidences that some of Jesus’ teachings were for the Jews only:

Matthew 5:20
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:23
"Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, …


Luke 12:33
“Sell your possessions and give to the poor”.

Matthew 19:16
Jesus said to the young rich man: “If you want to enter life, keep the commandments”. Then: “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor”. Jesus added: “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

I know that Christians in the first century did sell possessions and shared the money with those in need, but they didn’t do that in an attempt to keep any law – they were just being guided by the Holy Spirit. We Christians are not required to sell our possessions and give alms, but Jesus taught that as a commandment to the Jews.

Most of us, in Christian Chat, are relatively rich. So, if all of Jesus’ teachings are for Christians, practically no one in here will be saved.

Many of the principles that Jesus taught are everlasting, but I feel that some are not.

Again, my question is: Which of Jesus’ teachings were applicable only to the Jews?

I'm of the opinion that all of Jesus' teachings applies to everyone.

 

[Marcelo]

Aw Shucks. Backtracking from your previously stated position I argued against. I'm glad you came to your senses.

Obviously you didn't read the original post where I stated the following:

I know that Christians in the first century did sell possessions and shared the money with those in need, but they didn’t do that in an attempt to keep any law – they were just being guided by the Holy Spirit. We Christians are not required to sell our possessions and give alms, but Jesus taught that as a commandment to the Jews.

 

[John146]

I'm of the opinion that all of Jesus' teachings applies to everyone.

Which ones? Before He became flesh? While He was made flesh? After His resurrection? After His ascension?

 

[louis]

Everything Christ stated in the flesh, and after His resurrection and ascension, applies to everyone.

 

[Hizikyah]

None of us are perfect, but do we want to follow Him and what He says? or do we want to find reasons not to follow Him and what He says? Praying and focusing on Him and not letting the world get inbetween that will help us grow more and more to be what He wats us to be.

John/Yahanan 15:5-16, “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you.”

 

[John146]

Everything Christ stated in the flesh, and after His resurrection and ascension, applies to everyone.

Do you obey the following:

Matthew 10
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

 

[louis]

While not applicable to preaching the Word solely to those in the land of Israel today; the main emphasis is to preach the Word.
It is also important to note that the command is addressed to those who are disciples, who have left everything to follow Christ, and is therefore not addressed to the general body of the church.

 

[John146]

While not applicable to preaching the Word solely to those in the land of Israel today; the main emphasis is to preach the Word.
It is also important to note that the command is addressed to those who are disciples, who have left everything to follow Christ, and is therefore not addressed to the general body of the church.

Ok, so whatever Jesus taught the disciples do not apply to most Christians? Not applicable? I believe you stated everything Jesus taught was applicable for today? Are you admitting things change?

 

[louis]

Ok, so whatever Jesus taught the disciples do not apply to most Christians? Not applicable? I believe you stated everything Jesus taught was applicable for today? Are you admitting things change?

You are correct. Maybe I should have been a little more specific. Everything Jesus taught what certain people should do, they should do.
So what do you claim Jesus taught that does not apply to Christians today?

 

[Endoscopy]

I agree! All Scripture is breathed out by God. Jesus told the man who was healed of leprosy to show himself to the priest because the law of Moses was still in force. The Pauline epistles differ from the Gospels because they were breathed out by Jesus through Paul in the dispensation of grace -- when the Law was no longer in effect.

Since Jesus was God incarnate, he told his disciples that He and the Father were one. That if they saw him they saw the Father. Jesus said he didn't come to break the law and the prophets but to fulfill. He lived a sinless life and Pilate found no fault in him but conceded to have him crucified. Thus He was the unblemished Lamb of God. The perfect sacrifice for all. Therefore the Law is still and always in effect. All will be judged under the law but those who accept Jesus as their savior will have the penalty for transgressions of the law removed from them. That is the Gospel story in a nutshell. Since Jesus and the Father are one, therefore if Jesus breathed or the Father breathed the word it is the same Person. Being raised a Christian and am 73 it is still somewhat of a struggle to keep the trinity understood.

 

[Hizikyah]

Do you obey the following:

Matthew 10
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

That was when He was building a core gropup to then carry His teachings to the entire world, before He ascended He sent them out to all people;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”[/FONT]

While not applicable to preaching the Word solely to those in the land of Israel today; the main emphasis is to preach the Word.
It is also important to note that the command is addressed to those who are disciples, who have left everything to follow Christ, and is therefore not addressed to the general body of the church.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]

You are correct. Maybe I should have been a little more specific. Everything Jesus taught what certain people should do, they should do.
So what do you claim Jesus taught that does not apply to Christians today?

Nothing in the enteire book was written to anyone today specifically, so in this mind nothing applies... NONSENSE.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter 1:20-21, “knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture came to be of one’s own interpretation, for prophecy never came by the desire of man, but men of YHWH spoke, being moved by the Set-apart Spirit.”

[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 10:11-12, “And all these came upon them as examples, and they were written as a warning to us, on whom the ends of the ages have come, so that he who thinks he stands, let him take heed lest he fall.”[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

DO we not trust the Messiah? How can we have a religion based on HIm and call Him Master and discard what He says? It is mind blowing to me, I don't get it...


Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Not some natiuons...

Not some things I have taught...

All... All...

 

[John146]

DO we not trust the Messiah? How can we have a religion based on HIm and call Him Master and discard what He says? It is mind blowing to me, I don't get it...


Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Not some natiuons...

Not some things I have taught...

All... All...

Do you go around preaching, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand"? Do you heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out devils? Did Jesus command to do this?

 

[Hizikyah]

Do you go around preaching, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand"? Do you heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out devils? Did Jesus command to do this?

Yes I do preach the Kingdom of Yah is at hand. I have not had the ability to raise the dead physically, nor heal the sick, cast out devils, possibly. All have different roles in the body of MEssiah, this doies not mean we con ignore obedience.

It seems to me people disect His words not to try to follow Him but to find excuses to ignore them. Why? Why can't we try to be as much as we currently can in MEssiah, ever seeking to grow to be more and more what Hewants us to be?