Do you know why you are a protestant???

[VCO]

So tell me mwc68 and VCO when will you ever accept God? When will you put aside all the lies of the Catholic Church to follow God?

You do know that just because you say Lord, Lord does not mean you are a True Christian?

Matthew 7:13-14
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

I tell you the truth, I was born again the last week of December, 1977 after my third attempt at suicide, in a single week. HE HAS BEEN DWELLING IN ME and I IN HIM, ever since that night. I surrendered complete control of my life to JESUS CHRIST as LORD, meaning MASTER. I could tell you multiple miracles that HE has worked out in my life, but you would not BELIEVE. I have been serving him ever since, even as a Volunteer Protestant Prison Chaplain for 15 years in two different Super Max Prisons. My heart leaps for Joy, thinking about the day HE will call out those of us who are truly born again, to go to the Wedding of the Lamb. But again you will not Believe, because you will not let go of your hate.

Denominational Bigotry is SIN, in fact GOD calls it an abomination. {Proverbs 6:16-19}

In fact it says that the one who says he loves god and hates a brother, {☜ hates even a Catholic brother in Christ, then that man}; is a liar when he says he Loves GOD and KNOWS THE LORD. {1 John 2:4, 1 John 4:20}

1 John 4:20 (GW)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Whoever says, “I love God,” but hates another believer is a liar. People who don't love other believers, whom they have seen, can't love God, whom they have not seen.

You have given us numerous reasons to DOUBT if you are even Born Again yet, and hate and bigotry are ROTTEN FRUIT.

Matthew 7:19-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.


[video=youtube;7CobNWUXb1M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CobNWUXb1M[/video]

 

[mwc68]

So tell me mwc68 and VCO when will you ever accept God? When will you put aside all the lies of the Catholic Church to follow God?

You do know that just because you say Lord, Lord does not mean you are a True Christian?

Matthew 7:13-14
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

I've accepted God. No matter what you say or think, i have accepted God. Its you bigots that can't accept that I have accepted God and God is pleased with me. He loves me unlike your troll gang

 

[VCO]

So tell me mwc68 and VCO when will you ever accept God? When will you put aside all the lies of the Catholic Church to follow God?

You do know that just because you say Lord, Lord does not mean you are a True Christian?

Matthew 7:13-14
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Matthew 7:21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

PLEASE show us a link to your Church's own Doctrinal Statement of Faith.

 

[KenAllan]

Have you two mwc68 and VCO shown the same Love towards your Brothers in Christ the Protestants that you want from them?

How can you expect Love from others when all you do is put down and belittle them for not being in the Catholic Church?

I agree we all are at times are a little rough around the edges. Most of the Christians here do have a Genuine Love for the Catholics, but some have a hard time expressing that Love in what they say.

 

[KennethC]

Here is the thing as we must realize that when another points out the false teaching or sins we are walking in from the denominations we belong to, it does not mean always it is done in hate.

By love we are called to do this so that we can lead our fellow brothers and sisters out of apostate/false teaching.

How we do this though we need to keep a close watch on ourselves in this process, because if we use hatred, belittling, or sarcasm toward them then we would be no better than they are who are entrapped and blind by those false teachings.

The other thing is if we are going to go around and point out other's flaws then we must accept and face our own flaws as well.
I can and have seen false teaching in every denomination which is why I became non-denominational, because the Lord did not start or founded these earthly denominations.

What the Lord founded and started was discipleship in Him, and names such as catholic and others came a couple centuries or more after His crucifixion.

The term catholic was not even heard of tell the 2nd century (101-200 AD) and then it was only used to define the universal scope that all people no matter what race or background can become disciples in Christ.

 

[VCO]

Have you two mwc68 and VCO shown the same Love towards your Brothers in Christ the Protestants that you want from them?

How can you expect Love from others when all you do is put down and belittle them for not being in the Catholic Church?

I agree we all are at times are a little rough around the edges. Most of the Christians here do have a Genuine Love for the Catholics, but some have a hard time expressing that Love in what they say.

No, there is not belittling going on. All I have done is shown that:
1. The Scriptures say hate proves you do not really love GOD. 1 John 4:20 (HCSB)
2. That Christ Himself recognizes Seven Types of Chruches, not just ONE. Rev. 1:9 thru Rev. 3:22 (HCSB)
3. That we are to forgive others, exactly like He forgives us, which is Totally. Col. 3:13 (HCSB)
4. That Genuine Christianity {born again} will produce the Fruit that comes from the Holy Spirit which is: Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faith, Gentleness, and Self Control. Gal. 5:22-23 (HCSB)
5. That lifestyle characteristics that are BAD FRUIT are:

Galatians 5:19-21 (NRSV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are obvious: fornication, impurity, licentiousness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these. I am warning you, as I warned you before: those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

LOVE tells people the TRUTH.

 

[VCO]

Galatians 5:19-21 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I tell you about these things in advance—as I told you before—that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

I accidentally posted it before I finished. The Holman's Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) that I use a lot any more, has quickly become a favorite of mine. It is a newer translation that maintains the dignity of the sound of the WORD that in think it DESERVES. Here is a link to where you can use it free online:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+1&version=HCSB

 

[VCO]

. . .
How can you expect Love from others when all you do is put down and belittle them for not being in the Catholic Church?
. . .

You made some good points, but I think you misunderstand my position. I am NOT advocating that anyone should join the Catholic Church, for the same Reason that I left the Lutheran Church:

Both of them put FAR TOO MUCH EMPHASIS on maintaining the Order of Service.

Both of them put FAR TOO LITTLE EMPHASIS on actually Teaching the Word of GOD and how it applies to our lives.

My whole point is that it is absolutely WRONG to label them "Apostate Church, Harlot Church, Church of Satan, non-Christian Church, etc., etc." They are one of the Seven Types of Churches that CHRIST HIMSELF RECOGNIZES even though HE has "SOMEWHAT AGAINST THEM". Therefore it is WRONG for any Christian to say they are not a type of Church that Christ recognizes. ACTUALLY, He had comments of condemnation for 5 of the 7 types of Churches in the first three chapters of Revelation.

Prior to my getting involved in the Prison Ministry, I volunteered to help the Ministerial Association with a couple of their JOINT DENOMINATIONAL projects, and also in my home town when I was growing up they even had a Joint Easter Service every year in the City Auditorium, where every minister and the priest in town gave a short 10 minute Resurrection Message. I have seen the GOOD that mutual LOVE and Cooperation can PRODUCE first hand. AND I have seen first hand that Catholics teach the same JESUS CHRIST that I know and LOVE; and have personally known more than a handful of genuinely BORN AGAIN Catholics, evidenced by the FRUIT THEY PRODUCE.

I have seen first hand how those comic book Chick Tracts produce bitter Hatred between Protestants and Catholics, which is clearly of the DEVIL, and therefore without question Jack Chick is a false prophet, producing ROTTEN FRUIT in the form of Hatred.

For those who are unfamiliar with Chick Tracts, this is how they portray Catholic Priests as pure evil, pouring Gas on the Flames of HATE, creating more HATRED:

 

[KenAllan]

The Bibles i use a lot are the NASB, NKJB, ESV.

I really do not care much for the The Holman's Christian Standard Bible (HCSB).

I have read the Chick Tracts but i never used them in bringing the Gospel of Salvation to people.

 

[secularhermit]

I want to protest!

How come I would say "I´m saved" if I´m alive and, sometimes, drinking the salty waters of sins?

 

[RexCA]

I am a Catholic because God showed me through prayer study and the gift of God given reason that Protestantism is a contradictory set of religions and that the Catholic Church is the one true church that Jesus himself founded

 

[Laish]

I am a Catholic because God showed me through prayer study and the gift of God given reason that Protestantism is a contradictory set of religions and that the Catholic Church is the one true church that Jesus himself founded

Wow almost the same reasons I am not Catholic. With the exceptions of not praying to anyone other Than God . Their is also that not worshipping idols stuff but ya know we can go on and on . Martin Luther was being kind in my opinion by only having 95 points with his grievances . Then again he may have been trying to spare himself writers cramp .
Blessings
Bill

 

[slave]

I am a Catholic because God showed me through prayer study and the gift of God given reason that Protestantism is a contradictory set of religions and that the Catholic Church is the one true church that Jesus himself founded

Notice how we are left, in regards to your statements, with "The church" (founded by Jesus)," rather than "Jesus" (founder of the Church)? Well my Bible teaches me to be respectful and gentle even to those who believe differently than I so let me discuss and discover this the hard way and not just shallow punch it out - emotionally. Every born-again Christian is a "catholic" - that is, a member of the universal society of saved souls. But a Roman Catholic is one who has been baptized by the Roman Catholic church and subscribes unquestionably to its traditions and dogmas and is governed, in all religious and moral matters, by the totalitarian authority of the hierarchy headed by the "infallible" pope in Rome.

I must admit, one can but admire the Roman Catholic's steadfast belief in the deity of Christ; (likened to - applauding the work-ethic of the Mormon church). And if it were not for its accumulation of Bible-denying traditions and Christ-belittling Mariolatry, the Roman Catholic church could have been the greatest redemptive agency in the history of the world. But its man-made traditions, its build-up of Mary, and its priest-ridden system so hide and overshadow and obstruct the view of the real Christ that millions who have traveled the road to Rome have tragically missed the way of Christ.

I also believe that God's Word is clear in saying He is faithful to us. And, inasmuch as this is the case, I believe, then, there are many in the Catholic church today seeking the true face of God, whom He will come to those who seek Him with all their strength. But let me be clear, this is in-spite of the teachings of the Roman Catholic church, not due to them.

So, this thread invites us to give an account of our faith. Sound familiar? And as Scripture goes, to all who ask of us to give it! Yikes, to all of us protestants: are we ready for this challenge? Are we able to give an account of the hope that is in us? I pray for all of His Saints that we give God our minds to have the Holy Spirit employ our training as well as our hearts to be able to give Jesus a premise to work thru us with.

Let me say this about why I am not a Roman Catholic, I believe that the church of Christ is made up of all born-again Christians. (1 Cor. 12:12-13). So I can't believe the claim that the Roman church is the only true church. I also am a protestant because I believe that Christ Himself is the Head of His Church (Col. 1:18). So I could never believe the Christ-dishonoring teaching of the Roman Church that the pope in Rome is "infallible" and is the "head of the church" and the "vicar of Christ" on earth. I believe in the priesthood of all believers and that Christ and Christ alone is the Intermediary between man and God (1 John 2:1). Therefore, I can never believe in the "cult of Mary" and the "Mariolatry" of the Roman church, which makes Mary more merciful than Christ, and the Saints more attentive to human need than is Our Blessed Lord!

I also believe as a protestant that when Christ died on the Cross He died once for all (Heb. 10:11-12). Thus, it becomes heresy of the Roman church that every time a Roman Catholic priest says the Mass, Christ is crucified afresh on that Roman altar. I believe that the observance of the Lord's Supper is a symbolic remembrance of Christ's death (1 Cor. 11:24). Thus the claims that her priests are mysteriously able to change common bread and wine into the actual flesh and blood of Jesus Christ is preposterous to me and my spirit.

I believe the Bible to be a sufficient and adequate guide as it is interpreted by the Holy Spirit (Mark 7:7-9) & (John 16:13). So, I can't believe the Bible-dishonoring and Holy Ghost-discrediting teaching that the traditions of the Roman church are equal in authority to the inspired and sacred Word and that the Roman church is the only safe guide and interpreter of the Bible. I also believe that only God can forgive sin (Daniel 9:9)& (Isa. 55:7). So I could never believe that a mere Roman Catholic priest, by some religious waving of a magic wand, has the power to absolve and forgive men of their sins.

I believe that original sin is cleansed from the human heart by the baptism with the Holy Spirit and fire (Matt. 3:11)& (Acts 15:8-9). So, the Roman Catholic doctrine, I could never follow, that in the sacrament of water baptism original sin is cleansed from the human heart. I believe that the souls of the righteous go immediately at death to be with the Lord in Paradise (Rev. 14:13). Thus, the priest-invented purgatory I cannot believe in, nor in the callous and greedy religious exhortation of indulgences and suffrages.

I believe in Freedom and Liberty (Acts 15:10) & (John 8:36). So, I can't believe in the totalitarian system of the Roman Catholic church which cast aspersions on totalitarianism in politics but practices it in Religion, and denies freedom to those who disagree with the Bible-distorting doctrines in those countries where it is in the majority, and is guilty of ever-encroaching limitation of liberty in those countries where it is the minority.

Thus, I am not a Roman Catholic because:

"These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far away from Me. They worship Me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men." (Matthew 15:8-9) & (Isaiah 29:13).

 

[garee]

I am a Catholic because God showed me through prayer study and the gift of God given reason that Protestantism is a contradictory set of religions and that the Catholic Church is the one true church that Jesus himself founded

Prayer and study of what?

I think we are talking about studying the words of God not the oral traditions of the father which you must a hold above that which is written .

As a Catholic you are not allowed to study to show yourself approved to God, thus making the word of God without effect. Scripture of itself is of no authority to a Catholics .They say it cannot quicken ones soul and give us His understanding and we need men to teach us. .

The loving commandment reads..

2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[RexCA]

Prayer and study of what?

I think we are talking about studying the words of God not the oral traditions of the father which you must a hold above that which is written .

As a Catholic you are not allowed to study to show yourself approved to God, thus making the word of God without effect. Scripture of itself is of no authority to a Catholics .They say it cannot quicken ones soul and give us His understanding and we need men to teach us. .

The loving commandment reads..

2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

This is but pure ignorance scripture is viewed as sacred and divinely inspired in Catholicism it is also seen as totally true although complete biblical literalism is dismissed. The thing is Catholicism does not accept the view of Sola Scripture because it is not what Christ taught nor is it taught in the Bible itself in fact Christ came to set up a church not to write a book the church is as containing the completion as truth guess what the bible is seen as part of the churches teachings.

 

[RexCA]

and you are allowed to study and read scriptures in Catholicism what you are not allowed to do is make up personal interpretations which is actually a condemned action in the New Testament

 

[RexCA]

and Catholicism does not practice idolatry nor do Catholicism worship saints or images when one says that they pray to Mary it is more properly understood as a prayer through this is completely appropriate in fact it is taught in the New Testament that the church is the body of Christ in a very literal sense meaning that when we suffer we mystically take part in Christ's suffering when we are in Heaven we are taking part in Christ's glory when one prays to Mary or any other saint they are asking them to pray for them because they are closer to God than anyone else. On the same note the use of icons and statues is not idolatry either because we do not worship the graven image itself it is used as a means of veneration of Christ in fact I think to deny the use of icons would be idolatrous because it would be to deny that Christ is the revealed image of God the reason that Jews did not venerate images was because in Judaism God does not have a revealed image n Christianity Christ is the revealed image of God at the same time statues where not always completely barred in Judaism unless they were made of God himself for example the first temple had statues of angels as did the ark of the covenant.

 

[Willie-T]

When I was 13, I was sitting in the living room of some Catholic friends. Two men from their church actually came to their door to collect the money they had agreed to pay the church.

Seriously! It was a Holy collection squad, and they really did look like the Mafia on TV. I swore at that moment that I would never become a Catholic. Of course, I have since learned many Protestant churches are just as focused on money.

 

[notuptome]

I am a Catholic because God showed me through prayer study and the gift of God given reason that Protestantism is a contradictory set of religions and that the Catholic Church is the one true church that Jesus himself founded

This is but pure ignorance scripture is viewed as sacred and divinely inspired in Catholicism it is also seen as totally true although complete biblical literalism is dismissed. The thing is Catholicism does not accept the view of Sola Scripture because it is not what Christ taught nor is it taught in the Bible itself in fact Christ came to set up a church not to write a book the church is as containing the completion as truth guess what the bible is seen as part of the churches teachings.

One of the main reasons for the reformation. Sola scriptura. Followed by Sola Christus, Sola gratia, Sola fide. and Soli Deo gloria.

Rome violates the sanctity of the scriptures and tramples under foot the blood of atonement shed at Calvary.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Willie-T]

This is but pure ignorance scripture is viewed as sacred and divinely inspired in Catholicism it is also seen as totally true although complete biblical literalism is dismissed. The thing is Catholicism does not accept the view of Sola Scripture because it is not what Christ taught nor is it taught in the Bible itself in fact Christ came to set up a church not to write a book the church is as containing the completion as truth guess what the bible is seen as part of the churches teachings.

This is so laughable. Take one look at the VOLUMES of literature the Catholic church has developed over the years to serve as a "guide" to thinking and acting. It is staggering how much there is. It makes the measly 613 laws the Jews have look like simply an introduction to indoctrination, by comparison.