Is the great biblical flood real or not?

prove-all · Nov 9, 2017

The Great Flood: Just a Bible Story?
https://watchjerusalem.co.il/2017/02/17/the-great-flood-just-a-bible-story/

Why Does Nearly Every Culture Have a Tradition of a Global Flood?
Why Does Nearly Every Culture Have a Tradition of a Global Flood? | The Institute for Creation Research

prove-all · Nov 9, 2017

The Fraud of Evolution and how science cheats at proving its pet theory.
To be considered a theory, something must be “confirmed” and account
for the “known facts.” Evolution has been neither.

At best, evolution is a hypothesis. Unproven and without “correspondence
with fact,” it stands as an idea scientists seem desperate to substantiate,
though they remain unable to do so.

Evolution is the belief that life spontaneously erupted from non-living chemicals.
Evolution supporters suggest that fish somehow became amphibians and amphibians
somehow became mammals. This process is supposed to have taken many millions
of years, involving millions of intermediate steps to achieve.

Do not confuse the theory of evolution with adaptation of a species or genetic variation.
Adaptation simply means that something changes to fit its environment, not that it changes
into some other species. Genetic variation occurs when there are limiting factors in the
available gene pool. But again, it does not produce some new species—only changes
within the same specie

There are multitudes of misleading statements, false conclusions and outright lies
common to pro-evolution literature.

Spontaneous Generation :The idea that life sprang forth from some primordial ooze is at
the foundation of the evolutionary concept—that is what evolutionists claim caused life on
Earth to begin. However, the idea of spontaneous generation was disproved centuries ago.

“After the microscope was invented in 1683, the masterly work of Tyndall and Louis Pasteur
proved conclusively that the ‘law of biogenesis’ [that life can come only from life] held true
for microscopic forms of life as well!

“Evolutionists, geneticists, biologists, scientists in any field whatsoever,
have never been able to demonstrate, nor to offer the slightest evidence

that the living can come into existence from the not-living!

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God the Creator has an enemy, Satan the devil, who opposes Him in everything.
The influence of God’s enemy on the thinking of scientists becomes obvious
when they dismiss the truth and accept such lies.

“And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over
to a reprobate mind …” (Romans 1:28). Satan has displaced God from the thinking of
most humans and God has allowed a “reprobate mind” to be the result. This lack of logic
is evident throughout the “theory” of evolution and in the scientists who embrace it.

Evolution is Satan’s most powerful modern weapon, It is Christianity’s greatest enemy.

“Science as a whole, and higher education, have exercised the academic freedom to
postulate a creation without a Creator.” The “theory” of evolution demonstrates the
depthto which men are willing to go in an attempt to explain creation and leave out God.

About the scientests and scholars of our day. 2 Timothy 1-8
7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge:
but fools despise wisdom and instruction” (Proverbs 1:7).

Herein is the problem. Men, wanting to have no authority over them, refuse to fear God.
They seek any possible explanation to remove the Creator and His rule from their lives.
They are, perhaps unknowingly, allies of Satan as assailants of God.

Jesus Christ made it clear that we can be set free from the lies of this world. Seeking
real truth is the only way to obtain freedom from ignorance. As Christ said in John 8:32,

“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

prove-all · Nov 9, 2017

a worldwide destruction that wiped out everything “under heaven.”
So the Bible does not describe a regional flood.

“And, behold, I even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth,
to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, [from under heaven];

Everything with the breath of life, from under heaven;

This would include every bird on earth at the time, this would
include every breathing thing under Heaven would die.

an ant or a mole anywhere on the earth died ,
if they where under heaven,breathing on this earth period.

"every living substance that I have made
will I destroy from off the face of the earth”

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"and all the high hills, that were under [the whole heaven]"
this would include any mountain on earth that's under heaven.

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Jesus said in Matthew 24:37-39, “But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of
the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking,
marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not
until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”

Christ not only confirmed the events of Noah’s day, He said the same worldwide destruction
would come about in our day—only this time in the form of nuclear world war! (ver 21-22).

In Hebrews 11, the Apostle Paul wrote, “By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not
seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he
condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith” (v. 7).

God gave Noah absolutely no physical evidence to suggest that a flood would come.
And yet he built the ark—believing and acting on what God said would happen.

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Those who believe this was not a world wide flood have no faith in the bible text.

IamWhoIam · Nov 9, 2017

prove-all said:

The Fraud of Evolution and how science cheats at proving its pet theory.
To be considered a theory, something must be “confirmed” and account
for the “known facts.” Evolution has been neither.

At best, evolution is a hypothesis. Unproven and without “correspondence
with fact,” it stands as an idea scientists seem desperate to substantiate,
though they remain unable to do so.

Evolution is the belief that life spontaneously erupted from non-living chemicals.
Evolution supporters suggest that fish somehow became amphibians and amphibians
somehow became mammals. This process is supposed to have taken many millions
of years, involving millions of intermediate steps to achieve.

Do not confuse the theory of evolution with adaptation of a species or genetic variation.
Adaptation simply means that something changes to fit its environment, not that it changes
into some other species. Genetic variation occurs when there are limiting factors in the
available gene pool. But again, it does not produce some new species—only changes
within the same specie

There are multitudes of misleading statements, false conclusions and outright lies
common to pro-evolution literature.

Spontaneous Generation :The idea that life sprang forth from some primordial ooze is at
the foundation of the evolutionary concept—that is what evolutionists claim caused life on
Earth to begin. However, the idea of spontaneous generation was disproved centuries ago.

“After the microscope was invented in 1683, the masterly work of Tyndall and Louis Pasteur
proved conclusively that the ‘law of biogenesis’ [that life can come only from life] held true
for microscopic forms of life as well!

“Evolutionists, geneticists, biologists, scientists in any field whatsoever,
have never been able to demonstrate, nor to offer the slightest evidence

that the living can come into existence from the not-living!

-
God the Creator has an enemy, Satan the devil, who opposes Him in everything.
The influence of God’s enemy on the thinking of scientists becomes obvious
when they dismiss the truth and accept such lies.

“And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over
to a reprobate mind …” (Romans 1:28). Satan has displaced God from the thinking of
most humans and God has allowed a “reprobate mind” to be the result. This lack of logic
is evident throughout the “theory” of evolution and in the scientists who embrace it.

Evolution is Satan’s most powerful modern weapon, It is Christianity’s greatest enemy.

“Science as a whole, and higher education, have exercised the academic freedom to
postulate a creation without a Creator.” The “theory” of evolution demonstrates the
depthto which men are willing to go in an attempt to explain creation and leave out God.

About the scientests and scholars of our day. 2 Timothy 1-8
7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge:
but fools despise wisdom and instruction” (Proverbs 1:7).

Herein is the problem. Men, wanting to have no authority over them, refuse to fear God.
They seek any possible explanation to remove the Creator and His rule from their lives.
They are, perhaps unknowingly, allies of Satan as assailants of God.

Jesus Christ made it clear that we can be set free from the lies of this world. Seeking
real truth is the only way to obtain freedom from ignorance. As Christ said in John 8:32,

“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

No doubt there is something to be said about life spontaneous erupting from non living chemicals. dirt to man is quite the spontaneous eruption, a mysterious process for sure.

Enow · Nov 9, 2017

IamWhoIam said:

But not so mysterious that Genesis accounts runs against the evolutionary timetable to see it for the lie that it is.

Man was created to rule over creation in taking care of the earth, but according to the evolutionary time table, a few animals evolved back into the sea to create water mammals, including the whale.

So you have to decide which is true? The Genesis account that all the sea creatures were created first or not?

I suppose you can be thankful that it did not take God 3 billions years to effect His resurrection.

IamWhoIam · Nov 9, 2017

Enow said:

That is your view of it, like some people as well believe the lie about Jesus starting His ministry about the age of 30, or that God started creating humans from a egg and a tadpole because Adam and Eve sinned in the garden,

what I decide is what I decide to believe.

Enow · Nov 9, 2017

IamWhoIam said:

Scripture says you are to prove everything by Him.

2 Peter 1:[SUP]19 [/SUP]We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.[SUP]21 [/SUP]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

1 Thessalonians 5:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]24 [/SUP]Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

2 Timothy 3:[SUP]13 [/SUP]But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;[SUP]15 [/SUP]And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

John 5:[SUP]39 [/SUP]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[SUP] 40 [/SUP]And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.[SUP]41 [/SUP]I receive not honour from men......[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Jesus validated everything Moses as written as true. Why can't you accept that? Jesus has referenced Noah's flood and yet you ignore verses that testify of it being global and up to and over the mountains.

1 Timothy 6:[SUP]20 [/SUP]O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:[SUP] 21 [/SUP]Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

James 1:[SUP]5 [/SUP]If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Paul as led by the Holy Spirit, is writing to you, brother. So go before that throne of grace and ask Him to help you see the truth in His words and why the evolution theory can never be true as it is a false science; more of a fairy tale than the Bible could ever be.

prove-all · Nov 9, 2017

IamWhoIam said:

What life from the non living are you talking about?
Man has found life only comes from life, not from non living things.

Not sure how dirt by itself creates spontaneous eruptions.
Without sunlight, water, and a [seed] planted, it is just dirt[minerals].

The earth did not make the seeds, God did.

Enow · Nov 10, 2017

IamWhoIam said:

Isaiah 55:11So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

God would not call something good, unless He was finished in creating something by His word.

IamWhoIam · Nov 10, 2017

Enow said:

Each step in the evolution phases that God created was good,

IamWhoIam · Nov 10, 2017

And the flood was local...

IamWhoIam · Nov 10, 2017

prove-all said:

Yes I agree, God designed each evolutional step.

Waggles · Nov 10, 2017

Pity they didn't have Samsung phones back then.
Could have taken a selfie for all those doubters.

prove-all · Nov 10, 2017

IamWhoIam said:

The Human Genome Project, a joint international effort to unravel the structure of genetic material of humans, has determined that a genetic mutation of one billionth of a genome is always fatal. That means for a human, a random change of three nucleotides is fatal, thereby ending any further possibility of evolution for that individual’s offspring.

Evolutionists claim that chimpanzees are the closest living relatives to man, with a difference of about 48 million nucleotides. This means at least 48 million random events must have occurred in exactly the right order for the evolutionary gap between man and his hypothesized common ancestor with chimpanzee to have been spanned. Three changes in the genome during one generation would be fatal and stop the process. Therefore this number of changes would require a minimum of 24 million generations to achieve, assuming two changes happened during each generation.

These changes must happen in exactly the proper order, and each step must produce either no noticeable change or provide the offspring with some sort of advantage. Any negative change would stop or prolong the process. Each change must occur in a gene that is passed on to an offspring, and the offspring must survive and must undergo some further sort of change and have offspring and so on for each of the 48 million genetic changes.

Next, since there are 3.2 billion nucleotides in the human genome, the probability of one particular nucleotide being altered is 3.2 billion to one. To determine the mathematical probability of the genetic changes necessary for the hypothesized “evolution” between chimps and people, it is necessary to multiply 3.2 billion times 48 million.

The probability against the evolution from a common ancestor with chimps to modern man,
using these figures, is 153 quadrillion (153 followed by 15 zeros) to one.

IamWhoIam · Nov 10, 2017

Waggles said:

Cool picture, but I can't make out what that is near the elegant, is it a naked man upside down with his legs and feet dangling in the air.

MichaelOwen · Nov 10, 2017

IamWhoIam said:

Tis a pair of giraffes

Waggles · Nov 10, 2017

But on a more serious point of doctrine ...
what is the story and purpose of the Flood and Noah's Ark?

Salvation versus destruction.
To be repeated again in our times but this time by fire
(nuclear war).

Only salvation is not an asbestos boat but rather the Ark of
Salvation is the gospel of salvation in the Holy Spirit.
The unbelieving, the un-Godly, the idolaters, the worldly
shall perish because they choose not to come aboard.

And on that last day - the Day of The Lord - God shall shut
the door, and no more salvation but destruction of this world
and the burning up of the wicked.

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must
believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,
prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world,
and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Hebrews 11:

IamWhoIam · Nov 10, 2017

prove-all said:

The Human Genome Project, a joint international effort to unravel the structure of genetic material of humans, has determined that a genetic mutation of one billionth of a genome is always fatal. That means for a human, a random change of three nucleotides is fatal, thereby ending any further possibility of evolution for that individual’s offspring.

Evolutionists claim that chimpanzees are the closest living relatives to man, with a difference of about 48 million nucleotides. This means at least 48 million random events must have occurred in exactly the right order for the evolutionary gap between man and his hypothesized common ancestor with chimpanzee to have been spanned. Three changes in the genome during one generation would be fatal and stop the process. Therefore this number of changes would require a minimum of 24 million generations to achieve, assuming two changes happened during each generation.

These changes must happen in exactly the proper order, and each step must produce either no noticeable change or provide the offspring with some sort of advantage. Any negative change would stop or prolong the process. Each change must occur in a gene that is passed on to an offspring, and the offspring must survive and must undergo some further sort of change and have offspring and so on for each of the 48 million genetic changes.

Next, since there are 3.2 billion nucleotides in the human genome, the probability of one particular nucleotide being altered is 3.2 billion to one. To determine the mathematical probability of the genetic changes necessary for the hypothesized “evolution” between chimps and people, it is necessary to multiply 3.2 billion times 48 million.

The probability against the evolution from a common ancestor with chimps to modern man,
using these figures, is 153 quadrillion (153 followed by 15 zeros) to one.

I agree that is a mystery, the path in which God created evolution can't be known, because us humans wouldn't understand it.

But i do know the fetus of a human in the early stages has a tail, gills and other animal features, then the human fetus evolves into a actual human being. we share a lot in common with animals and plants, albinoism is one thing everything produces sometimes, even dirt there is a thing called white dirt lacking pigment. I can't tell you the path and how God created evolution I just know He did.

Enow · Nov 10, 2017

IamWhoIam said:

Then He would not change it if He said it was good. That is why all those supposed kinds that others have changed from are still around, because God was finished in making that kind that it will not become another kind.

And it was all done within a day where there was evening and morning each day when He got done with that creation.

prove-all · Nov 10, 2017

IamWhoIam said:

again man has proved the living does not come from the living.
that human sperm is from the seed of man, not some slime.

man did not evolve, God made him in His image, in a blink of an eye,
not a hundred billion billion year process.

We are not made in the image of God,
God also put in us what he calls " The Spirit of Man"
this is what makes man different then animals.

Is the great biblical flood real or not?

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