theistic evolution - don't try this at home

[KelbyofGod]

Either death entered the world through Adam's sin or Adam came from death, millions of years of death, make that billions or trillions since the human body is so complex.

I was looking for the verse that says that death entered the world through Adam but couldn't remember the wording to do a proper search. Could you post the Chapter:verse of the reference so I can look it up?

Thanks,
Kelby

 

[Snoozy]

I was looking for the verse that says that death entered the world through Adam but couldn't remember the wording to do a proper search. Could you post the Chapter:verse of the reference so I can look it up?

Thanks,
Kelby

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 

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Lol
There is no proof of the theory of evolution.
It is a belief. No science involved.
Several things destroy that theory.

Again, you have zero proof of evolution. It is a concotion. A silly concoction.

As PROOF, post for us an example,( you know,a picture of a fossil in transition. There should be literally thousands of them)

Prove that the universe and planet earth were created in 6 literal 24 hour days.

Then prove that the universe is only 6-7000 years old.

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There is no proof to the literal 24 hour day, 6000 yr. creation theory.
It is a belief. No science involved.
Several things destroy that theory.

Again, you have zero proof of the 24 hr/6000 cre. theory.

Show show me proof that the universe, the earth, and all living things, were created in 6 litreral 24 hour days.

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Oh, you may say, "Don't you believe the Bible?"

Yes, but the Bible is not a science book, it is a book about Jesus, theology.

The creation story is the creation of the 4 elements known at that time, fire, water, air, and earth.

Man was created from the dust of the earth, the earth is his "element".

The element of the fish would be water and the element of the birds is air.

It doesn't say that man was created instantly, or how long it took exactly.

The creation process took billions of earth years to complete and be ready for the first two "human souls".

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[heartofdavid]

Earth void and formless, dry land appearing, the earth bringing forth trees and planets growing, oceans with marine animals, land birds flying around well some don't the penguin the ostrich do not fly, I thought the verse say the birds of the air. huh
Dirt to man, woman from bone,

yet none can explain how that was done, but people are no doubt gun-ahoy on bashing anything in sight that goes against a belief.

Life is a miracle.

Can not be satisfactorily explained.
We know we were created be cause of 2 things. 1, the complex DESIGN.
2, BECAUSE HE SAID SO.

 

[heartofdavid]

Prove that the universe and planet earth were created in 6 literal 24 hour days.

Then prove that the universe is only 6-7000 years old.

--

There is no proof to the literal 24 hour day, 6000 yr. creation theory.
It is a belief. No science involved.
Several things destroy that theory.

Again, you have zero proof of the 24 hr/6000 cre. theory.

Show show me proof that the universe, the earth, and all living things, were created in 6 litreral 24 hour days.

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Oh, you may say, "Don't you believe the Bible?"

Yes, but the Bible is not a science book, it is a book about Jesus, theology.

The creation story is the creation of the 4 elements known at that time, fire, water, air, and earth.

Man was created from the dust of the earth, the earth is his "element".

The element of the fish would be water and the element of the birds is air.

It doesn't say that man was created instantly, or how long it took exactly.

The creation process took billions of earth years to complete and be ready for the first two "human souls".

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If you are interested there are several debates on that young vs old earth.
Look at the opposing evidence, not just what you currently believe.
The grand canyon and the layers exposed point to a young earth.

 

[heartofdavid]

Prove that the universe and planet earth were created in 6 literal 24 hour days.

Then prove that the universe is only 6-7000 years old.

--

There is no proof to the literal 24 hour day, 6000 yr. creation theory.
It is a belief. No science involved.
Several things destroy that theory.

Again, you have zero proof of the 24 hr/6000 cre. theory.

Show show me proof that the universe, the earth, and all living things, were created in 6 litreral 24 hour days.

---

Oh, you may say, "Don't you believe the Bible?"

Yes, but the Bible is not a science book, it is a book about Jesus, theology.

The creation story is the creation of the 4 elements known at that time, fire, water, air, and earth.

Man was created from the dust of the earth, the earth is his "element".

The element of the fish would be water and the element of the birds is air.

It doesn't say that man was created instantly, or how long it took exactly.

The creation process took billions of earth years to complete and be ready for the first two "human souls".

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.....so adam slept for a billion years while God took a rib and created eve?

 

[abcdef]

.....so adam slept for a billion years while God took a rib and created eve?

The creation story is filled with symbolism. It's saying that they are the same flesh, genetically.

 

[abcdef]

If you are interested there are several debates on that young vs old earth.
Look at the opposing evidence, not just what you currently believe.
The grand canyon and the layers exposed point to a young earth.

Oh, but that's science, and that's unreliable.

 

[KelbyofGod]

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Snoozy,
Thanks. And I'm glad it was you that answered because it gives me a chance to both thank you and also to add a disclaimer of sorts that I specifically wanted you to read. I know we share some important items of belief/experience... and I don't want to offend you by saying some things that I'm pretty sure you'll disagree with. But I'll post them anyway because I hope you've learned to take things to prayer rather than what some do of just relying on their own understanding.
What I'll pose to you personally is this...Have you actually asked God what method he used to bring about these things? Have you actually asked God how long each day was...or do you just jump to the conclusion that every day was the same length? (because I can show you in the bible how THAT isn't a reality...if you believe the bible)
Meanwhile, I'll post some things for general consideration.

Yours in Jesus,
Kelby

 

[Enow]

Prove that the universe and planet earth were created in 6 literal 24 hour days.

There was evening and morning each day, making it a 24 hour day in those six days of creation.

Then prove that the universe is only 6-7000 years old.

The Genealogy listed and the age given can be found in Genesis 5th chapter up to Noah. The concluded Noah's age to add:

Genesis 9:[SUP]28 [/SUP]And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.[SUP]29 [/SUP]And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

Genesis 10th chapter gave the generations of Noah's three sons, but no age given, even though God limited the average sinful man's age to 120 years even before the flood and I believe the life span years seriously declined after the flood.

The genealogy given in Luke 3:23-38 starts from Jesus back to Adam, albeit, only Jesus's age was given.

Somehow some egghead estimated that the earth was about 6,000 years old from out of all that.

There is no proof to the literal 24 hour day, 6000 yr. creation theory.

Jesus validated that the seventh day was created for man; and by doing so validated creation week.

Jesus validated that God made the first male and female from which the first marriage God had performed came from.

I believe His words over that false science that cannot prove anything on how old something is.

It is a belief. No science involved.

Same thing for the evolution theory. It is a belief. No science involved because they cannot prove their timetable. If there are errant dating results from their dating methods as proven within human history, there is no way you should place any assurance in their dating methods that goes beyond human history to confirm it is even remotely accurate. Example; a living mollusks has been carbon dated as 2,300 years old dead, and yet it is still alive. How accurate can they be?

Several things destroy that theory.

The creation process took billions of earth years to complete and be ready for the first two "human souls".

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Were you there? Jesus, the Son of God was. He is our Creator and not just our Redeemer.

If God created the heavens on day 4 to give light to the earth to govern for times and seasons, then the plants that were created on day 3 would survive that 24 hour period of evening and morning that day 3. So there cannot be a gap theory of a day being a thousand years so to speak, before God puts the sun and the moon and the stars in the heavens to give light to the earth that fourth day.

And when God made the heavens to give light to the earth, that means He made the sources for those distant lights and filled in the gap with those lights to govern, hence to be seen afterwards that fourth day of evening and morning.

Was Adam not a full grown man? Were not the trees full grown bearing fruits and seeds? If living things has maturity and mankind has knowledge to be up and running for managing the earth and the creatures therein, why is it so unbelievable that inanimate objects will have age given to them too?

God speak and it is done.

Evidence of instant creation can be found in polonium halos.

Evidence for Earth's Instant Creation - Polonium Halos in Granite and Coal - Earth Science Associates

Etched within Earth's foundation rocks — the granites — are beautiful microspheres of coloration, halos, produced by the radioactive decay of primordial polonium, which is known to have only a fleeting existence.

The following simple analogy will show how these polonium microspheres — or halos — contradict the evolutionary belief that granites formed as hot magma slowly cooled over millions of years. To the contrary, this analogy demonstrates how these halos provide unambiguous evidence of both an almost instantaneous creation of granites and the young age of the earth.


A speck of polonium in molten rock can be compared to an Alka-Seltzer dropped into a glass of water. The beginning of effervescence is equated to the moment that polonium atoms began to emit radiactive particles. In molten rock the traces of those radioactive particles would disappear as quickly as the Alka-Seltzer bubbles in water. But if the water were instantly frozen, the bubbles would be preserved. Likewise, polonium halos could have formed only if the rapidly "effervescing" specks of polonium had been instantly encased in solid rock.


An exceedingly large number of polonium halos are embedded in granites around the world. Just as frozen Alka-Seltzer bubbles would be clear evidence of the quick-freezing of the water, so are these many polonium halos undeniable evidence that a sea of primordial matter quickly "froze" into solid granite. The occurrence of these polonium halos, then, distinctly implies that our earth was formed in a very short time, in complete harmony with the biblical record of creation.

Above quote from the link above the quote.

Isaiah 55:[SUP]1 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Jesus validated everything Moses had written, because Moses had testified of Him and His visit to man before His incarnation.

John 5:[SUP]39 [/SUP]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[SUP] 40 [/SUP]And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.[SUP] 41 [/SUP]I receive not honour from men........[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.[SUP] 47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/154696-jesus-before-his-incarnation.html

So.. yeah.. I can believe man was created instantly for him to be naming every animal brought before him to find his helpmeet before God created woman out of Adam.

Proverbs 30:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Matthew 8:[SUP]26 [/SUP]And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!

So you need to go before that throne of grace and ask Jesus for help to see the truth in His words to be able to discern the lies of man in that false science.

Romans 3:[SUP]4 [/SUP]God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

1 Timothy 6:[SUP]20 [/SUP]O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

 

[MattforJesus]

Jer 32:17 Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee.

Jer 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Is anything too hard for God,and all things are possible with God.

God has understanding of the physical down to the smallest part of physical matter,and can form anything He wants as a whole creation,and does not need to go by the evolution process to bring things about.

Why would God create with an evolutionary process when He can create things straight out.

He can create anything as a whole creation at one time,and does not need to use evolution to bring it about.

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day(and so forth to the 6th day).

On each day that God created the evening and the morning were one literal day,a 24 hour period.

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God created everything after their kind,which means as a mature creation,and then they multiplied from there.After their kind,not from a species to another species,to another species,until it became the creature.

Also God created Adam in His image,in His likeness,and did God come about by an evolution process.

Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

God created man out of the dust of the earth,not from an evolution process from lower species up to human,and after Adam was created God created Eve from one of Adam's ribs,and from the dust of the earth,and did not need evolution to create Eve.

God brought forth the sea creatures,and birds,and cattle,and humans,in their whole form,and not by evolution.

God created everything in their mature state,and the creatures multiplied from there.

Also God is an omnipresent Spirit,for the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God,so when He created He did not have to move from place to place for He is aready there,and that is why He created everything so fast.

God can create everything simultaneously,and the time it takes Him to create one planet He created all of them,and the time it takes Him to create one star He created them all,and the time it takes Him to create one fish He created them all,and the time it takes Him to create one bird He created them all,and the same with cattle,and insects,and all that He created,for God does not have to move from one spot to the next to create for He is already there.

God could of created everything faster than 6,24 hour periods,if He wanted to for He can create all the stars,and planets,and birds,and fish,and cattle,and insects,and Adam and Eve,and all that He created,at the same time,but He chose to break it down to 6 days.

Is people saying that something is too hard for God,and that He could not create everything in its mature state,but had to use evolution to bring things about.

Does a human need one million years to make a fan,or build a car,or build a house,and God can create a bird from physical material,and boom there it is fast as can be,for He can assemble and disassemble physical matter,and does not need it to come about by going through an evolution process.

Come on,this is God,who knows everything,even the number of hairs on our head,and nothing that can be known can escape Him,and the way a bird is put together,before God created a bird He knew what it consisted of in its whole state to function,so why use evolution.

God knows every molecule,every atom,every quark,and all elements that make up matter,and the number of all of them.

Evolution,smevolution.That is a joke to God for He is way more intelligent than that.

He can create a being one trillion miles long,by one trillion miles high,by one trillion miles wide,right now,and not use evolution to do it,for it would be like a person putting together a tuna fish casserole,because God knows how to put together that being in its mature state,for He knows the working of it in its whole state,and can disassemble it back to matter.

Is anything to hard for God.

Our God is an awesome God
He reigns from heaven above
With wisdom, power, and love
Our God is an awesome God

Give glory to God,and do not limit Him to think He has to use evolution to bring things about,for He created everything in its mature state,and the creatures multiplied from there.

Scientists cannot understand how things could come about in its mature state,as a whole,so evolution make sense to them that it was a slow process to bring things about.

 

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There was evening and morning each day, making it a 24 hour day in those six days of creation.



The Genealogy listed and the age given can be found in Genesis 5th chapter up to Noah. The concluded Noah's age to add:

Genesis 9:[SUP]28 [/SUP]And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.[SUP]29 [/SUP]And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

Genesis 10th chapter gave the generations of Noah's three sons, but no age given, even though God limited the average sinful man's age to 120 years even before the flood and I believe the life span years seriously declined after the flood.

The genealogy given in Luke 3:23-38 starts from Jesus back to Adam, albeit, only Jesus's age was given.

Somehow some egghead estimated that the earth was about 6,000 years old from out of all that.


Jesus validated that the seventh day was created for man; and by doing so validated creation week.

Jesus validated that God made the first male and female from which the first marriage God had performed came from.

I believe His words over that false science that cannot prove anything on how old something is.



Same thing for the evolution theory. It is a belief. No science involved because they cannot prove their timetable. If there are errant dating results from their dating methods as proven within human history, there is no way you should place any assurance in their dating methods that goes beyond human history to confirm it is even remotely accurate. Example; a living mollusks has been carbon dated as 2,300 years old dead, and yet it is still alive. How accurate can they be?



Were you there? Jesus, the Son of God was. He is our Creator and not just our Redeemer.

If God created the heavens on day 4 to give light to the earth to govern for times and seasons, then the plants that were created on day 3 would survive that 24 hour period of evening and morning that day 3. So there cannot be a gap theory of a day being a thousand years so to speak, before God puts the sun and the moon and the stars in the heavens to give light to the earth that fourth day.

And when God made the heavens to give light to the earth, that means He made the sources for those distant lights and filled in the gap with those lights to govern, hence to be seen afterwards that fourth day of evening and morning.

Was Adam not a full grown man? Were not the trees full grown bearing fruits and seeds? If living things has maturity and mankind has knowledge to be up and running for managing the earth and the creatures therein, why is it so unbelievable that inanimate objects will have age given to them too?

God speak and it is done.

Evidence of instant creation can be found in polonium halos.

Evidence for Earth's Instant Creation - Polonium Halos in Granite and Coal - Earth Science Associates



Above quote from the link above the quote.

Isaiah 55:[SUP]1 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Jesus validated everything Moses had written, because Moses had testified of Him and His visit to man before His incarnation.

John 5:[SUP]39 [/SUP]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[SUP] 40 [/SUP]And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.[SUP] 41 [/SUP]I receive not honour from men........[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.[SUP] 47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/154696-jesus-before-his-incarnation.html

So.. yeah.. I can believe man was created instantly for him to be naming every animal brought before him to find his helpmeet before God created woman out of Adam.

Proverbs 30:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Matthew 8:[SUP]26 [/SUP]And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!

So you need to go before that throne of grace and ask Jesus for help to see the truth in His words to be able to discern the lies of man in that false science.

Romans 3:[SUP]4 [/SUP]God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

1 Timothy 6:[SUP]20 [/SUP]O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

This is a little long to respond to every detail that you have mentioned.

But you know, that in the Bible, a "day" is not always a 24 hour time period. yes?

Like the day of salvation, or the day of the Lord, all are longer than 24 hours.

 

[Enow]

This is a little long to respond to every detail that you have mentioned.

But you know, that in the Bible, a "day" is not always a 24 hour time period. yes?

Like the day of salvation, or the day of the Lord, all are longer than 24 hours.

When each day ended; there was evening and there was morning each day; kind of hard for you to believe it was longer than a 24 hour period.

And Jesus validated the seventh day as created for man to rest in. And it was only for one day.

 

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Jer 32:17 Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee.

Jer 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Is anything too hard for God,and all things are possible with God.

God has understanding of the physical down to the smallest part of physical matter,and can form anything He wants as a whole creation,and does not need to go by the evolution process to bring things about.

Why would God create with an evolutionary process when He can create things straight out.

He can create anything as a whole creation at one time,and does not need to use evolution to bring it about.

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day(and so forth to the 6th day).

On each day that God created the evening and the morning were one literal day,a 24 hour period.

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God created everything after their kind,which means as a mature creation,and then they multiplied from there.After their kind,not from a species to another species,to another species,until it became the creature.

Also God created Adam in His image,in His likeness,and did God come about by an evolution process.

Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

God created man out of the dust of the earth,not from an evolution process from lower species up to human,and after Adam was created God created Eve from one of Adam's ribs,and from the dust of the earth,and did not need evolution to create Eve.

God brought forth the sea creatures,and birds,and cattle,and humans,in their whole form,and not by evolution.

God created everything in their mature state,and the creatures multiplied from there.

Also God is an omnipresent Spirit,for the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God,so when He created He did not have to move from place to place for He is aready there,and that is why He created everything so fast.

God can create everything simultaneously,and the time it takes Him to create one planet He created all of them,and the time it takes Him to create one star He created them all,and the time it takes Him to create one fish He created them all,and the time it takes Him to create one bird He created them all,and the same with cattle,and insects,and all that He created,for God does not have to move from one spot to the next to create for He is already there.

God could of created everything faster than 6,24 hour periods,if He wanted to for He can create all the stars,and planets,and birds,and fish,and cattle,and insects,and Adam and Eve,and all that He created,at the same time,but He chose to break it down to 6 days.

Is people saying that something is too hard for God,and that He could not create everything in its mature state,but had to use evolution to bring things about.

Does a human need one million years to make a fan,or build a car,or build a house,and God can create a bird from physical material,and boom there it is fast as can be,for He can assemble and disassemble physical matter,and does not need it to come about by going through an evolution process.

Come on,this is God,who knows everything,even the number of hairs on our head,and nothing that can be known can escape Him,and the way a bird is put together,before God created a bird He knew what it consisted of in its whole state to function,so why use evolution.

God knows every molecule,every atom,every quark,and all elements that make up matter,and the number of all of them.

Evolution,smevolution.That is a joke to God for He is way more intelligent than that.

He can create a being one trillion miles long,by one trillion miles high,by one trillion miles wide,right now,and not use evolution to do it,for it would be like a person putting together a tuna fish casserole,because God knows how to put together that being in its mature state,for He knows the working of it in its whole state,and can disassemble it back to matter.

Is anything to hard for God.

Our God is an awesome God
He reigns from heaven above
With wisdom, power, and love
Our God is an awesome God

Give glory to God,and do not limit Him to think He has to use evolution to bring things about,for He created everything in its mature state,and the creatures multiplied from there.

Scientists cannot understand how things could come about in its mature state,as a whole,so evolution make sense to them that it was a slow process to bring things about.

Did you ever think that Adam and Eve had mothers and fathers?

That there other tribes of people around when Adam and Eve lived?

 

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When each day ended; there was evening and there was morning each day; kind of hard for you to believe it was longer than a 24 hour period.

And Jesus validated the seventh day as created for man to rest in. And it was only for one day.

How can there be a morning without a sun? It was created on the 4th day.

It is just saying that the creation days had beginnings and ends.

The sun is symbolic of the element of fire.

You see, Man is created from all four elements, water we drink, air we breath, earth we eat (plants), and we have fire within us, we are warm.

Those elements are part of us, mixing and separating within us, passing through us.

All four elements are needed for the first two human souls, Adam and Eve.

 

[pckts]

Did you ever think that Adam and Eve had mothers and fathers?

That there other tribes of people around when Adam and Eve lived?

Why have you developed these beliefs and introduce them to the discussion without any scriptural evidence, except everything to the contrary?

You deviate further and further from a literal interpretation because you want them to exist alongside your worldly beliefs.

Or maybe not:

All four elements are needed for the first two human souls, Adam and Eve.

I'm confused

 

[Enow]

Did you ever think that Adam and Eve had mothers and fathers?

That there other tribes of people around when Adam and Eve lived?

Nope. Look at the meaning of her name.

Genesis 3:[SUP]20 [/SUP]And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

That means all siblings were marrying each other. Eventually, the genealogy needed to be referenced to Israel's ancestry which is godly Shem replacing godly Abel whom was killed.

It was only when Israel became a nation when it was forbidden to marry a sibling, but yet they were to marry within the nation of Israel.

Look at who Abraham had married.

Genesis 20:[SUP]11 [/SUP]And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.[SUP] 12[/SUP]And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.

So it was until Israel became a nation that marrying a close family member was not the norm any more.

And that's how it was back where there was only Adam and Eve starting out with only their offsprings and so forth from them, and no other initial couple helped to multiply to fill the earth. That means Cain married a relative.

 

[KelbyofGod]

Breed is not species.

Dog is one species. Cat another. Pinguin another. Kangaroo another.

"A species is often defined as the largest group of organisms in which two individuals can produce fertile offspring."
- so, according to your vocabulary, its what you probably call a "kind".

And there is about 9 million of species, or "kinds".

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110823180459.htm

Trofimus,
If I remember correctly we disagree on some important belief/experience items, but I have to say I'm impressed with the way you have discussed this thread, especially that you seem to avoid attacks on a person's intelligence, worthiness, upbringing, etc.

1. I read the entire thread (excepting some of Enow's because of length and multi-points as mentioned)...and I still didn't see a clarification of what others think "kinds" really mean. So I'm assuming they are meaning "species" until someone clarifies it to mean something else. (ROOM: I"m asking your input on this.)

2. I also am open to the idea of science and God's word not being mutually exclusive. *Kelby pauses for the collective gasp* Although some might say "Religion without any science would be much better"...my question to them would be "Do you also think that science without any religion would be better?" when I'm sure some people who call themselves scientists would say that it would. Mutual exclusivity requires both statements.

3. Has anyone not noticed that at least some of the processes God established in Genesis are still going on today and are established in what we call Science? For example... God said he created the animals and brought them to Adam(man) and that man named them and whatever man names them, that is the name thereof. Pay attention to science and you'll notice that is still happening. When man finds a new species of anything, one of the first things he does is give it a name. <--this agrees with both scientific process AND biblical process.

4. The bible says in Luke_16:8 that the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. Sometimes we who think of ourselves as children of light ought to get off our high horses and realize that sometimes the world can teach us a thing or two instead of us always thinking we're right just because we THINK we understand what the bible means. From what I understand, there was quite a RELIGIOUS debate over whether the earth was flat or round (or that the earth circled the sun instead of the other way around) when those ideas came out through Science. The biblical statement about people "speaking evil of that which they do not understand" is NOT limited to non-Christians.

 

[abcdef]

Nope. Look at the meaning of her name.

Genesis 3:[SUP]20 [/SUP]And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

That means all siblings were marrying each other. Eventually, the genealogy needed to be referenced to Israel's ancestry which is godly Shem replacing godly Abel whom was killed.

It was only when Israel became a nation when it was forbidden to marry a sibling, but yet they were to marry within the nation of Israel.

Look at who Abraham had married.

Genesis 20:[SUP]11 [/SUP]And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.[SUP] 12[/SUP]And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.

So it was until Israel became a nation that marrying a close family member was not the norm any more.

And that's how it was back where there was only Adam and Eve starting out with only their offsprings and so forth from them, and no other initial couple helped to multiply to fill the earth. That means Cain married a relative.

Adam and Eve were real people, I think we agree on that.

Eve is the mother of all "human souls", living souls.

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But they weren't the first people, they were the first two "human souls". Gen 2:7, "and man became a living soul."

Then you may ask, how is a human soul, different from another person of that time?

Adam and Eve were the first two people in a covenant with God which were to be redeemed by the blood of Jesus.

They came to know what good and evil was. They acquired ego and became self knowing after the flesh, they knew they were naked.

Other creatures do not have the knowledge of good and evil like the human souls.

There were many "almost human"creations, of those we have some evidence.

This is who Cain married when he left the area where the human souls lived.

People who were not in the covenant.

 

[posthuman]

You are not interested in the discussion anymore because you have no ground to stand on, and you can't talk your way out of your incompatible beliefs.

You are the one bringing in these outside false science beliefs and working them into the scripture. And you sound like a fool denouncing God's literal word and the existence of the devil as impossible.

It's pathetic you can't defend your science beliefs and run from the discussion, and even more pathetic you deny the scripture and can't explain why.

So ironic reading this, knowing that this guy persists in believing the earth is flat.