Schizophrenia = Possession?

[jb]

Matt 4v24:

And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatic, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

 

[mj007]

This is the problem in replacing God with intellect. Often intellect becomes the know it all, the all knowing.

Once upon a time the earth was flat, and you were probably mentally ill, locked up, or killed if you thought anything different.

The reason intellects don't allow 'different ideas' to counter their own, is because it would mean they would fall from their pedestal, it would mean they fall off their high horse of knowledge, based on physical science, or simply because they spent their whole life believing in something, or getting educated in something, which wasn't true (or wholey true at least). Some intellects would kill not to have a current theory stamped on.

You even get Biblical intellects, there are plenty here, and plenty out in the world.

It's like saying I'm a qualified doctor, and I give lethal injections to people on death row, and then on a Sunday I go to church. What happens is you start making stuff up to justify what you do. You are doing God's work, getting rid of bad people. This one is never used in war is it?

It is true that doctors of mental disorders don't believe in demon possession. Totally ignore/refuse it.
IMO when these doctors encounter a demon possessed person, they misdiagnose them as severe schizophrenic.
This is how some believe all schizophrenics are demon possessed, because of a personal encounter with one who was.
Doctors mix them in because they don't have the spiritual insight to classify them properly.

 

[mj007]

Mark 16:17-18 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.

But maybe he is talking about doctors or shrinks? I think not, he is talking about ordinary people who believe.

Matt 4v24:

And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatic, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

 

[beastslayer1970]

There is no longer demon possession. However, demons are still in germs that cause disease- even mental disease. God punishes sin with disease- whether that person’s sins, or because of another person’s sin, but all disease and infirmities come from sin. But no longer can a demon ‘take the steering wheel’ so-to-speak and control a person’s movements or words.

This is not true at all.

 

[beastslayer1970]

1. Jesus says in "Luke 6:27-36 NKJV" to love your enemies and pray for them. Pray for your enemies is a constant reminder that no one is outside the bounds for God's grace and mercy.

2. The bible says our souls are wounded through sin and trauma (tragedies). A wounded soul gives the demonic the legal right for access to your soul to make war with us because you share things that are in common with that demon spirit(s).

Now, before you go off binding and rebuking strong men, you need to make sure you have the authority to do so. How do you get it? The answer is by receiving healing in your soul.

Evil spirits get their right to attack us from unhealed areas in our inner man. This includes strong men. Just look at the meaning of the word strong man from the Strong's Lexicon. "one who has strength of soul to sustain the attacks of Satan."

Wow, according to the Bible, Satan and his high ranking officers are strong men but in order for you to defeat them you must be a strong man too! Strong in soul, that is. Your inner man must be healed for you to have dominion over every strong man! Jesus backs this up with this statement in John 14:30 AMPC, I will not talk with you much more, for the prince (evil genius, ruler) of the world is coming. And he has no claim on Me. [He has nothing in common with Me; there is nothing in Me that belongs to him, and he has no power over Me.]

Did you get that? Jesus said that Satan had no power over Him because He had nothing in common with Satan. Your spirit man has nothing in common with the enemy. It's your wounded soul that does. However, when you get healed through the "Power of the Cross (Blood of Jesus)" and resurrection of Jesus (Dunamis), then your soul will be strong and you will have nothing in common with Satan and any of his strong men. Thus you will have dominion over them!

3. Ephesians 6:12 Amplified Bible (AMP)
12 For we are not wrestling with flesh and blood [contending only with physical opponents], but against the despotisms, against the powers, against [the master spirits who are] the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spirit forces of wickedness in the heavenly (supernatural) sphere.

What are despotisms? Despotisms are Demonic Kings! This is why Jesus is the King of Kings - Lord of Lords! Jesus says, "No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house." Mark 3:27 NKJV

What is a Strong Man? A Strong Man is Satan, principalities (despotisms), powers, rulers of the darkness of this age, and spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Do you have any original thought about anything? or is just easier for you to repeat Excerpts from Jimmy Swaggerts expositors Bible?

Speaking of a double minded man, Swaggert and his son and his whole ministry is double minded.

 

[Ugly]

Do you have any original thought about anything? or is just easier for you to repeat Excerpts from Jimmy Swaggerts expositors Bible?

Speaking of a double minded man, Swaggert and his son and his whole ministry is double minded.

If you want to start an attack and debate could you at least not hijack another's thread to do so? Start your own attack thread or take it to PM please. Swaggert is not the topic.

 

[Speak2Me]

But no longer can a demon ‘take the steering wheel’ so-to-speak and control a person’s movements or words.

Luke 13
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10Now he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. 11And behold, there was a woman who had had a disabling spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not fully straighten herself. 12When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said to her, “Woman, you are freed from your disability.”13And he laid his hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and she glorified God. 14But the ruler of the synagogue, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, said to the people, “There are six days in which work ought to be done. Come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day.” 15Then the Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the manger and lead it away to water it?16And ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?”17As he said these things, all his adversaries were put to shame, and all the people rejoiced at all the glorious things that were done by him.

It's in the Book.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

This is the problem in replacing God with intellect. Often intellect becomes the know it all, the all knowing.

Once upon a time the earth was flat, and you were probably mentally ill, locked up, or killed if you thought anything different.

The reason intellects don't allow 'different ideas' to counter their own, is because it would mean they would fall from their pedestal, it would mean they fall off their high horse of knowledge, based on physical science, or simply because they spent their whole life believing in something, or getting educated in something, which wasn't true (or wholey true at least). Some intellects would kill not to have a current theory stamped on.

You even get Biblical intellects, there are plenty here, and plenty out in the world.

It's like saying I'm a qualified doctor, and I give lethal injections to people on death row, and then on a Sunday I go to church. What happens is you start making stuff up to justify what you do. You are doing God's work, getting rid of bad people. This one is never used in war is it?

who is doing this?

The reason intellects don't allow 'different ideas' to counter their own, is because it would mean they would fall from their pedestal, it would mean they fall off their high horse of knowledge, based on physical science, or simply because they spent their whole life believing in something, or getting educated in something, which wasn't true (or wholey true at least). Some intellects would kill not to have a current theory stamped on.

you know, you just basically did the same above that you say 'intellects' do. lumped everyone together, in favor, apparently, of something you personally favor. balance

be assured, there are intellects, filled with the Spirit of God and being used of God whether you recognize them or not

this is another thing that 'irks' me (still liking that word)

people generalizing what they do not seem to understand and then trashing it

yes. we certainly do not want gifted individuals with superior brains discussing God's word.

why would you seem to think it is choose which you use when God does not even make that distinction?

God does not bypass the mind. why are we told to renew our minds if we then put them in a child restraint seat in the back seat and drive off on emotional experiences?

please explain if I misunderstood

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

fact: we renew our minds by the word of God. we are SUPPOSED to use our minds...love the Lord your God with all heart, soul and MIND. teaching that the spirit somehow passes the mind, is not supported in scripture.

the facts are that reason is even used by God...come let us REASON together...though your sins are as scarlet they shall be white as snow

this 'meat' you are speaking of sounds, sorry to say, more like baloney

you need to grasp the FACT that the mind is the source of ideas, reasoning and even spiritual activity

this teaching that you throw out your mind in favor of 'spiritual' awakening or awareness, is actually new age and eastern religion teaching in its source

even if a person is operating in the spiritual gifts, they are cognizant and not tripped out in some spiritual zone as some like to say. this activity, of zoning out, leads to error and deception and possible demon engagement

Christian disciplines doesn't renew the mind. The renewal of the mind daily is not a "work," but a act of Faith placed exclusively in Gods beloved Son in whom He is please and what He accomplished at Calvary's Cross. Facts and reasoning, i.e., flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption (1 Cor. 15:50).

Most Christians are blinded (as you are) with a veil over their face by the misinterpretation of the scriptures as Israel was and is to the very day (a evil spirit is behind this - that puts the Christian in bondage). They make the scriptures as a duty, instead of faith alone. It has always been hard for a Christian man then and now to give up the works of the flesh. They want to do what the scriptures says to do with the flesh (Romans 8:13), instead of following Gods prescribe order of victory which is placing Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e., The Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus; which then allows the Holy Spirit to accomplish and bring victory and do what needs to be done in the Christian life. The Holy Spirit only works in the perimeters of Christ and the Finished Work. (Romans 8:2). The "Law" says do - "Grace" says done!

The Holy Spirit warns us through Paul by stating, "For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either.. 22Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. Romans 11:21-22

The letter kills (i.e., reading the scriptures and understanding the scriptures are two different things), but the Spirit brings life: This is why Jesus wept over Jerusalem because they have missed their opportunity (Luke 19:41-44).

Out of 603,550 men who were readied for war that came out of Egypt under the power of God (Numbers 1:44-46), only two took their inheritance; Joshua (a type of Christ) and Caleb (a type of the body of Christ) (Matthew 7:14). There is only one message that changes the body of Christ into the image of Christ, and that is Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.
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[beastslayer1970]

Christian disciplines doesn't renew the mind. The renewal of the mind daily is not a "work," but a act of Faith placed exclusively in Gods beloved Son in whom He is please and what He accomplished at Calvary's Cross. Facts and reasoning, i.e., flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption (1 Cor. 15:50).

Most Christians are blinded (as you are) with a veil over their face by the misinterpretation of the scriptures as Israel was and is to the very day (a evil spirit is behind this - that puts the Christian in bondage). They make the scriptures as a duty, instead of faith alone. It has always been hard for a Christian man then and now to give up the works of the flesh. They want to do what the scriptures says to do with the flesh (Romans 8:13), instead of following Gods prescribe order of victory which is placing Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e., The Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus; which then allows the Holy Spirit to accomplish and bring victory and do what needs to be done in the Christian life. The Holy Spirit only works in the perimeters of Christ and the Finished Work. (Romans 8:2). The "Law" says do - "Grace" says done!

The Holy Spirit warns us through Paul by stating, "For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either.. 22Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. Romans 11:21-22

The letter kills (i.e., reading the scriptures and understanding the scriptures are two different things), but the Spirit brings life: This is why Jesus wept over Jerusalem because they have missed their opportunity (Luke 19:41-44).

Out of 603,550 men who were readied for war that came out of Egypt under the power of God (Numbers 1:44-46), only two took their inheritance; Joshua (a type of Christ) and Caleb (a type of the body of Christ) (Matthew 7:14). There is only one message that changes the body of Christ into the image of Christ, and that is Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.
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Please cite the source for this and give credit to the author, because it is not you.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Do you have any original thought about anything? or is just easier for you to repeat Excerpts from Jimmy Swaggerts expositors Bible?

Speaking of a double minded man, Swaggert and his son and his whole ministry is double minded.

Unsaved people with a seared conscious that are in the flesh make comments as you have.

 

[beastslayer1970]

Unsaved people with a seared conscious that are in the flesh make comments as you have.

No, informed saints discern the false teachers in the body and are their own Man of God and don't need to copy off someone else's notes to discuss things or be someone in the kingdom.

 

[preacher4truth]

There is no longer demon possession. However, demons are still in germs that cause disease- even mental disease. God punishes sin with disease- whether that person’s sins, or because of another person’s sin, but all disease and infirmities come from sin. But no longer can a demon ‘take the steering wheel’ so-to-speak and control a person’s movements or words.

^^^ Unbiblical nonsense.

 

[oldethennew]

God's gift to us all, in His Holy Words, very-well explains this to all who have ears and hearts,
to hear and perceive and vivid experiences to under stand these things...

 

[preacher4truth]

Unsaved people with a seared conscious that are in the flesh make comments as you have.

That's an unChristian remark.

 

[Angela53510]

What is the meaning of unstable? See post #31
You are doing what most do; you only see the physical and not the spiritual.

Did you want the Greek or the English definition?

And you see demons lurking in every corner. I quite clearly showed the context and what that passage was about, and you decided that didn't conform to your previous connotations, and ignored it.

That is just bad hermeneutics. Let's discuss the Bible. The Bible in context! THAT would be spiritual!

 

[Huckleberry]

if virus are demon, why non Christian doctor able to kill viruses use medicine?
Can you kill demon with medicine?

There are no drugs that kill viruses.
Antibiotics are only effective against bacteria.
The best we can do with viruses is inhibit them.

 

[Huckleberry]

Drugs and viruses are physical substances; demons are spiritual entities.

So physical manifestations of demons don't exist?

I neither said nor implied anything of the sort.

I wasn't being conflictive, just trying to understand your position.
You said viruses are physical substances and demons are spiritual entities, so it seems to me
like you're saying that a demon per se cannot be substantial, I.e., a physical manifestation?

 

[mcubed]

If it were me I would want a black/white answer. But there is not. Yes, it can be demon possession, physical physiological condition or both. Does she get better on her meds? If yes, then it is physical chemical imbalance in the brain? The tough question is what are you willing to live with..?. What are you able to, mentally and emotionally? You not only owe it to yourself to be honest with this question but her. Ask yourself what links are you willing to go to if it is physical or even a mix demonic.... I sugest a lot of prayer. If you seek He promised you will find, if you knock He will open the door... G-d is good for it ... keeping His Word!!!!!!

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

That's an unChristian remark.

​Don't confuse what love is. Jesus is, and was, and always will be the ultimate example of love. God is love. And yet that didn't stop the Lord from calling the Sadducees and the Pharisees what they were. He called them snakes, vipers, and two fold child of the Devil in the book of Matthew.