What kind of proof do you need? What do you expect will happen at the 6/7 seals?
Do you expect that the sky will literally, roll up like a scroll, and that people will "be able" to hide from the face of God/Jesus?
The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?
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What kind of proof do you need? What do you expect will happen at the 6/7 seals?
Do you expect that the sky will literally, roll up like a scroll, and that people will "be able" to hide from the face of God/Jesus?
Ok, I'm beginning to see what you are understanding.
What happens after the 7th trumpet? In the Rev it starts talking about the beasts.
This is true, but i'm not sure if that would apply to the resurrections. It seems more like that there are only 2 individual ones.
I've not seen any verses that would apply that analogy.
wow alot of confusion.
there are many signs, youtube is filled with news stories that match with the bible completely.
there is no doubt teh end is near. this is the worst apostasy ever.
here is the order of events:
no, rapture not happen after antichrist reveal
[h=1]2 Thessalonians 2King James Version (KJV)[/h]2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
wow alot of confusion.
there are many signs, youtube is filled with news stories that match with the bible completely.
there is no doubt teh end is near. this is the worst apostasy ever.
here is the order of events:
After the rapture/resurrection (rapt/resur), this planet will be destroyed by fire.
After Jesus comes for the kingdom, this planet ends.
It will happen after Jerusalem falls to Iran (kings of the east) and it's allies Magog (the gentile nations).
The Antichrist is the leader of the iron legs/toes nation of Daniel 2, and the fourth beast nation of Daniel 7.
He is the Roman Caesar.
It was revealed at the destruction of Jerusalem (dest of Jeru) in 70 AD.
The Antichrist is the leader of the iron legs/toes nation of Daniel 2, and the fourth beast nation of Daniel 7.
He is the Roman Caesar.
It was revealed at the destruction of Jerusalem (dest of Jeru) in 70 AD.
Hi Jackson123,
that is destroyed by the brightness of his coming.
Because the Antichrist Caesar that destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD, is not the same person
Because the Antichrist that is destroyed by the brightness of his coming, is Caesar, but not the same person.
He holds the same office, Caesar, but is the renewed Caesar. The head of the nation that comes out of the abyss.
i do not understand what do you mean by renewed Caesar.
You believe the antichrist reveal at 70 AD?
Yes.
The iron legs/toes of the statue in Daniel 2, is Rome.
The Roman Empire fell in 476 AD.
But Caesar, and Caesar worship, continue to this day as the Roman Catholic Church (RCC)
Rome became a recognized nation again in 1929 as the Vatican. The beast comes out from the abyss, the place of the dead.
After that, Israel was driven out of the gentile nations to take control of Jerusalem.
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The beast is the Roman Empire. Caesar is the Head.
70 AD.
Caesar and Rome have persecuted true Israel for 2000 yrs.
Titus destroyed Jerusalem.
By destroying Jerusalem it was revealed that Caesar was the Antichrist.
Caesar today is the Bishop of Rome, head of the Vatican.
Caesar and the Roman Empire died, but the image of the Roman Empire, Caesar, and Caesar worship, live on in the form of the Vatican.
The beast.....Daniel is clear.....Alexander the great's kingdom is divided by his 4 generals....the wars fought between the kings of the north and kings of the South<--The Ptolemies and Seleucids....the Ptolemies win the war....and out of this group comes Antiochus Epiphanes who is the type or picture of the beast......the BEAST comes out of SYRIA/TURKEY/IRAQ area and is NOT a Roman Caesar.....READ DANIEL as it GIVES THE ENTIRE HISTORY from BABYLON to THE ANCIENT OF DAYS putting down ALL RULE.......
The bible teaches the following....
The 1st BEAST (ANTI-CHRIST so called) comes out of SYRIA/IRAQ/TURKEY and is ISLAMIC
The 2nd BEAST (FALSE PROPHET) comes out of ROME and is the LAST POPE
AND for the record....the LAST three POPES including the current one have ALL BOWED TO AND KISSED the KORAN....a careful study of the 1st BEAST and the 12th IMAM of ISLAM reveals ONE and THE SAME person....
You guys need to drop the preconceived rigmarole that has been pushed by most preachers and study HISTORY, DANIEL and pay attention to what is happening in the world.......serious!
The bible teaches the following....
The 1st BEAST (ANTI-CHRIST so called) comes out of SYRIA/IRAQ/TURKEY and is ISLAMIC
The 2nd BEAST (FALSE PROPHET) comes out of ROME and is the LAST POPE
AND for the record....the LAST three POPES including the current one have ALL BOWED TO AND KISSED the KORAN....a careful study of the 1st BEAST and the 12th IMAM of ISLAM reveals ONE and THE SAME person....
You guys need to drop the preconceived rigmarole that has been pushed by most preachers and study HISTORY, DANIEL and pay attention to what is happening in the world.......serious!
May I ask a question here? everybody always associate the trumpets and bowls with God's Wrath but the Scroll rolled up was opened by Jesus Christ. The 7 seals leads to the 7 trumpets which in turn leads to the 7 bowls.
When Jesus opened up the first seal....An Angel presented a Rider on a White Horse who had a bow (no arrows), was given a Crown of (a stephanos or a victory crown), with instructions to conquer. FROM WHO---JESUS or GOD's Wrath.
The rest of the Seals were all opened by Jesus,,,Not SATAN,,, and specific order were given to every rider from Jesus Christ. God's Wrath.
The sixth seal we see the Kings, rich and powerful people hiding in caves and declaring who can withstand God's Wrath. This reminds me of Joshua and the walls of Jericho.....WHO was the commander there and where did the Kings HIDE???????
There is an intermission/summary verses that describe in detail how parts of rev is to go down between the 6th and the 7th of all wraths of God.(i.e. seals, trumpets and Bowls). They still are All God's Wrath.
Now, I will say that the 7 Bowls that God filled with His wrath are a different type of wrath but they are still God's wrath and the 7 Bowls just happened to begin the last 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week or begins Jacob's Troubles.
Oops,,,Israel has two calendars. One a civil calendar, the regular calendar you and I use and the Hebrew Calendar which is a 360 day/year. even today. The rest of it is simply suppositions of yours
wow alot of confusion.
there are many signs, youtube is filled with news stories that match with the bible completely.
there is no doubt teh end is near. this is the worst apostasy ever.
here is the order of events:
Snoozy.... It looks good but you left out one important part. You have the Judgement (Bema Seat) and you have the Sheep and Goat, but where is the Marriage supper. It should be there amongst these two.
You also forgot the antichrist becomes publically known after the Rapture and before the
signing of the covenant.
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Babylon--->Persia---->Greece---->Division of Alexander's kingdom by 4 generals and the subsequent wars between the Kings of the North and Kings of the South and the history found in DANIEL 11<----out of this comes the BEAST who subdues 3 of the 10 horns BELOW unto himself which will be the 8th and final Kingdom (REVELATION) The Kingdom of the BEAST
Rome--->Divided into West (Roman Catholic) and East (Greek Orthodox) with two different capitol cities....what ROME conquers and controls (ALL around the Mediterranean Sea and Middle East) will culminate in 10 TOES (Daniel) 10 HORNS (Revelation) THE BEAST of DANIEL 11 will SUBDUE 3 of these 10 HORNS unto HIMSELF which will equal the 8th and final KINGDOM to rule over the Middle East before JESUS comes and destroys it....the BEAST......
My view
1st BEAST is the proverbial Anti-Christ (so called) and comes out of ISLAM and is the 12th IMAM or MADHI
2nd BEAST is from ROME and a reunified Roman Catholic/Greek Orthodox POPE and is the FALSE Prophet which makes the IMAGE of the 1st BEAST.....
NOTE....CATHOLICS are known for worshipping images...especially images that show some form of miraculous life
The last three including current POPE have ALL bowed to and kissed the KORAN.....this cannot be overlooked and is very significant.....when truly considered....
ALSO.....THE BEAST will scrutinize, recognize, acknowledge and honor a god HIS FATHERS DID NOT KNOW........
ISLAM comes from ISHMAEL who was ABRAHAM"S SON.....WE KNOW both ABRAHAM and ISHMAEL knew of and honored the ONE TRUE GOD and ISHMAEL was blessed BY the GOD of ABRAHAM.....HENCE the bolded above.....
ALLAH is worshipped by those who adhere to ISLAM and according to DANIEL 11 the beast will come out of the area conquered by Alexander the GREAT and then fought over by his generals.....A beast that is tied to Ishmael and worships ALLAH will scrutinize, recognize, acknowledge, honor a god HIS FATHERS (Abraham Ishmael) did not know......