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Amen! Galatians 1:11 - But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Galatians 1:6 - I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.
1 Corinthians 1:21 - For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who BELIEVE.
Galatians 1:6 - I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.
1 Corinthians 1:21 - For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who BELIEVE.
The problem that exists between us and the Judaizers and Legalists is that we think that our faith in Christ and His Righteousness is the pinnacle of Christianity.
The Judaizers and legalists think that following the law in their own strength and understanding is the pinnacle of Christianity. Anyone who does not walk the way they do in the blindness of their own will apparently hates the Law and wants to do anything but obey.
They are missing some pretty important biblical concepts.
Matthew 5:3 [FONT="]“Blessed are those who recognize they are spiritually helpless.[/FONT]
[FONT="] The kingdom of heaven belongs to them.
[/FONT]Romans 7:14 [FONT="]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[/FONT]John 15:5 [FONT="]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
[/FONT]Matthew 11:28 [FONT="]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[/FONT]Galatians 2:19-21
[FONT="]19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Paul speaks directly against the views of the judaizers and legalists. That's why they don't like him. They try to twist Pauls words to mean the opposite of what he says but the discerning can always tell when they do it.
The Lord tried to tell them the same thing that Paul explains over and over but they don't understand that either.
We either trust in Christ or we work at the law. One or the other. Not both.
Galatians 3:10-11
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[FONT="]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 8:1-2
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[FONT="]1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT="]2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
There is curse and condemnation if you do what judaizers and legalists say to do, or imply.
There is Justification and Life and Righteousness in Christ Alone.[/FONT]
The Judaizers and legalists think that following the law in their own strength and understanding is the pinnacle of Christianity. Anyone who does not walk the way they do in the blindness of their own will apparently hates the Law and wants to do anything but obey.
They are missing some pretty important biblical concepts.
Matthew 5:3 [FONT="]“Blessed are those who recognize they are spiritually helpless.[/FONT]
[FONT="] The kingdom of heaven belongs to them.
[/FONT]Romans 7:14 [FONT="]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[/FONT]John 15:5 [FONT="]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
[/FONT]Matthew 11:28 [FONT="]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[/FONT]Galatians 2:19-21
[FONT="]19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Paul speaks directly against the views of the judaizers and legalists. That's why they don't like him. They try to twist Pauls words to mean the opposite of what he says but the discerning can always tell when they do it.
The Lord tried to tell them the same thing that Paul explains over and over but they don't understand that either.
We either trust in Christ or we work at the law. One or the other. Not both.
Galatians 3:10-11
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[FONT="]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 8:1-2
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[FONT="]1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT="]2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
There is curse and condemnation if you do what judaizers and legalists say to do, or imply.
There is Justification and Life and Righteousness in Christ Alone.[/FONT]
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Everyone who wants to prove that Jesus Christ is the sabbath and throw out one of the Ten Commandments takes the first part of what Christ is saying above witout regard to what follows and is inclusive in the teaching He is giving us.
He has warned us of the leavening of the PHarisees how they weigh heavy burdens upon us without lifting a finger to lmove them themselves.
In Christ's words above He is in no manner saying the rest He gives is an eternal sabbath beginning here in this age. He is inviting us to learn directly of Him....and this fulfills what is written that we will be taught by God.
Anyone who believes in following Christ's Example we are to sit on our backsides and do nothing while He even said "May Father still works and so must I," is not being honest about the Scripture cited above.
Do not say you believe Christ yet are unwilling to follow His Example; those two declarations simply do not go togerher.
Anyone claiming to have read this post and wishes to dontend with Christ's teaching do include the entire post integrally.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Everyone who wants to prove that Jesus Christ is the sabbath and throw out one of the Ten Commandments takes the first part of what Christ is saying above witout regard to what follows and is inclusive in the teaching He is giving us.
He has warned us of the leavening of the PHarisees how they weigh heavy burdens upon us without lifting a finger to lmove them themselves.
In Christ's words above He is in no manner saying the rest He gives is an eternal sabbath beginning here in this age. He is inviting us to learn directly of Him....and this fulfills what is written that we will be taught by God.
Anyone who believes in following Christ's Example we are to sit on our backsides and do nothing while He even said "May Father still works and so must I," is not being honest about the Scripture cited above.
Do not say you believe Christ yet are unwilling to follow His Example; those two declarations simply do not go togerher.
Anyone claiming to have read this post and wishes to dontend with Christ's teaching do include the entire post integrally.
When anyone says we cannot obey the commandments, which is true, and uses this as an excuse to teach against obedience you have someone painfully mistaken.
You have such in this particular thread and this is hyper-grace and not grace with responsibility. Donot change things around, what I post here is true.
Now if you wish names named, you are not getting that for all who are familiear with the posting in Bible discussion know exactly who practices such teaching........do not be coy, that is just being clever for the sake of being clever.
You have such in this particular thread and this is hyper-grace and not grace with responsibility. Donot change things around, what I post here is true.
Now if you wish names named, you are not getting that for all who are familiear with the posting in Bible discussion know exactly who practices such teaching........do not be coy, that is just being clever for the sake of being clever.
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Except for my last posts to you. Which asked for proof i have said what you claim. My last few posts to you have proved you have not read a thing I wrote.
You want to keep this up man? You will not win, because you are in the wrong.
This is not even a fight, this has bordered on slander. And you better put an end to it.
You want to keep this up man? You will not win, because you are in the wrong.
This is not even a fight, this has bordered on slander. And you better put an end to it.
First young man, I read and study Paul, and this is why I state that we are not required to study his letters if we learn from Jesus Christ.
How is this so? Paul teaches us that we do not belong to Paul but to Jesus Christ, undeniable. He also teaches that he, Paul that is, teaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ for he had been accused of teaching another gospel, which, of course, there is no other as Paul teaches.
His epistles are to specific assemblies with specific problems which he addresses, but he in so doing does not change one iota of what Christ teaches.
I will go so far as to say, one who knows Jesus Christ will earn everything necessary for salvation in reading the Old Testament only. HOw is this so? Because all that Christ did is in fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets, and I do know there are manyindividuals of the Old Testament who did indeed know the grace of God and lived it. All one need do is read it in earnest, in prayer and meditation.
For the first hundred years or so there were not writings taught the newly saved except the Old TEstament and the oral witness of Jesus Christ passed on and down from theApostles and thepreachers of that period.
I know from my own experience that when the Holy Spirit enters anyone, they are taught all they need know for their own salvation. Perhaps details of the Bible are not known to any of us,but no man is perfect in understanding the Word aside from the One Who Authored all.
You may call me all the names you like, but it does not change the truth of what I have posted. It is not my sin that some with out considering and without understanding call me liar, they calle my Master Beelzebub........
How is this so? Paul teaches us that we do not belong to Paul but to Jesus Christ, undeniable. He also teaches that he, Paul that is, teaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ for he had been accused of teaching another gospel, which, of course, there is no other as Paul teaches.
His epistles are to specific assemblies with specific problems which he addresses, but he in so doing does not change one iota of what Christ teaches.
I will go so far as to say, one who knows Jesus Christ will earn everything necessary for salvation in reading the Old Testament only. HOw is this so? Because all that Christ did is in fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets, and I do know there are manyindividuals of the Old Testament who did indeed know the grace of God and lived it. All one need do is read it in earnest, in prayer and meditation.
For the first hundred years or so there were not writings taught the newly saved except the Old TEstament and the oral witness of Jesus Christ passed on and down from theApostles and thepreachers of that period.
I know from my own experience that when the Holy Spirit enters anyone, they are taught all they need know for their own salvation. Perhaps details of the Bible are not known to any of us,but no man is perfect in understanding the Word aside from the One Who Authored all.
You may call me all the names you like, but it does not change the truth of what I have posted. It is not my sin that some with out considering and without understanding call me liar, they calle my Master Beelzebub........
I am not calling you any names. I am saying it shameful , pitiful behavior. I know what you are trying to say. I see your point. I also know that Paul talks extensively about no longer being under the Law. you disagree with that, so it is a very sly trick to try to point people away from Paul. but I see right through it.
Christianity is not a different version of being jewish. it is a totally different thing. no matter what you say or think. i'll believe Paul, he speaks for Christ. you speak for you.
Christianity is not a different version of being jewish. it is a totally different thing. no matter what you say or think. i'll believe Paul, he speaks for Christ. you speak for you.
Now that is quite a twist, there is a great difference between not reading your posts and ignoring what I deem unreasonable.
I do not name names but I do attempt to expose what is undtrue and what approaches blasphemy.
You see I am a ware that you have broken al of the law.......for we all have sinned and breaking even one point, the smallest point of the law is breaking all of it.
This in itself is reason enough for me to ignore your demand that someine, in this case I, name names of sinners or offenders here in this thread or anywhere els for that matter. I am not here to condemn anyone, actually I want all, even you to be in heaven, but I will not acceptf any teachings that are not sound.
If I say faith establishes the law, not only does it offend some they will protest the law is dead. This is contray to SJesus christ and to Paul
When I post, I know what I am posting, and why. I Do not drag out a lot of cutting and pasting becuse I do not see well enough these days to go huint for those written words that only serve to kill without the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
No, according to Jesus christ is how I view the law and praictice it.........as best I am given to be able. Do not say the law is past. Almost all of them are past, but in order for us to follow the example of Jesus christ we must do our vry best to obey the Father according to Christ's light given all freely on how the law should be obeyed under grace by faith.
Too many here say they have faith so they automatically obey the law, not true......I would never make that claim in the sight of the Father. My own failures, and there are enough, are cov ered by the grace provided me by the gift of faith from the FAther Wh9o lead me to His Son..... I like to believe every9ne here is lead in the same manner, but I am afraid many clain to understand, yet they are in darkness.
I do not name names but I do attempt to expose what is undtrue and what approaches blasphemy.
You see I am a ware that you have broken al of the law.......for we all have sinned and breaking even one point, the smallest point of the law is breaking all of it.
This in itself is reason enough for me to ignore your demand that someine, in this case I, name names of sinners or offenders here in this thread or anywhere els for that matter. I am not here to condemn anyone, actually I want all, even you to be in heaven, but I will not acceptf any teachings that are not sound.
If I say faith establishes the law, not only does it offend some they will protest the law is dead. This is contray to SJesus christ and to Paul
When I post, I know what I am posting, and why. I Do not drag out a lot of cutting and pasting becuse I do not see well enough these days to go huint for those written words that only serve to kill without the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
No, according to Jesus christ is how I view the law and praictice it.........as best I am given to be able. Do not say the law is past. Almost all of them are past, but in order for us to follow the example of Jesus christ we must do our vry best to obey the Father according to Christ's light given all freely on how the law should be obeyed under grace by faith.
Too many here say they have faith so they automatically obey the law, not true......I would never make that claim in the sight of the Father. My own failures, and there are enough, are cov ered by the grace provided me by the gift of faith from the FAther Wh9o lead me to His Son..... I like to believe every9ne here is lead in the same manner, but I am afraid many clain to understand, yet they are in darkness.
I do not disagree with Paul, but I am in agreement with Jesus Christ.
Now it is getting late here, for me, and I am going to hit the sack.
I believe my last several posts have summed up all that need be conveyed in the HOly Spirit, so in order to stop
this needless and pointless discussion, I am discontinueing following this thread designed to take folks aaway from obeying God.
Good night and God bless all who are in Christ and hear Him, and all others too, amen.
Now it is getting late here, for me, and I am going to hit the sack.
I believe my last several posts have summed up all that need be conveyed in the HOly Spirit, so in order to stop
this needless and pointless discussion, I am discontinueing following this thread designed to take folks aaway from obeying God.
Good night and God bless all who are in Christ and hear Him, and all others too, amen.