The term protestant came about with Luther's 95 Thesis he nailed to the church door. He listed 95 items that he said the church did that was non Biblical. They especially centered around indulgences. He protested these actions. It should be noted that while the Catholic Church never officially recanted they abandoned the practice today. He intended it to start a debate in the Catholic Church. The Bishops and Pope demanded he recant. He refused and the reformation was born.
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PLEASE NOTE FROM THE CCC 846
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?[SUP]335[/SUP] Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.[SUP]336[/SUP]
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?[SUP]335[/SUP] Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.[SUP]336[/SUP]
you are correct and I as a Catholic agree that salvation is from God alone as the church does affirm this you are correct the thing is that the Catholic view is and is affirmed by scripture is that Christ's church is believed to be infallible in regards to doctrine and is incapable of teaching false teaching (see Matthew 16 and 1 Timothy 3) so essentially to reject the church would be on par with rejecting God's own teaching
indeed and this quote is equally true today as it was 500 years ago but the thing is that it is often misinterpreted it does not mean that all non Catholics go to Hell what it does mean is that only the Catholic Church contains the fullness of revealed truth and to willfully reject the church knowing that it contains truth would be on par with rejecting God. THe thing is that not all are fully aware of how or why the Church contains truth or even what the church teaches as this forum clearly affirms so it would be unjust to damn those that are ignorant to truth essentially in Catholicism it is believed that God does not damn rather we damn ourselves by willfully committing immoral actions of grave concern or willfully rejecting truth. But not every non Catholic falls here only those that are invincibly ignorant to truth only God and the soul knows the level of truth the said person does indeed understand by their own merit.
Well, to answer the OP, if I had to put a label to my theology, it would probably be some sort of "Bapticostal" mixed in with hard core revivalist (what is it they're calling it these days? Ah, yes. NAR. New Apostolic Reformation. That term freaks the religious folks out. Used to be the Latter Rain Movement now it's NAR. I simply call it Revival!)
So... I'm pretty sure that rules out Catholicism and Orthodoxy for me. Lol
So... I'm pretty sure that rules out Catholicism and Orthodoxy for me. Lol
I went through several different sections of the CCC and would invite you to please reference a paragraph where the CCC shows the Church is the source of salvation and not God. The printed definition of Salvation in the CCC is "The forgiveness of sins and restoration of friendship with God, which can be done by God alone.
How did you miss this?
PLEASE NOTE FROM THE CCC 846
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?[SUP]335[/SUP] Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.[SUP]336[/SUP]
What is this section teaching Catholics? (all false doctrine)
1. They are relying on both Tradition and Scripture.
2. The Church... is necessary for salvation.
3. People enter the Body of Christ through baptism.
4. Those who reject these false doctrines cannot be saved.
5. Only those who enter the RCC and remain in it are saved.
Note: There is no question that the RCC equates "the Church" with itself, since the RCC teaches baptismal regeneration. No wonder that it makes every effort to bring all Christians under its umbrella, and also wants them to view the pope as the "Vicar of Christ".
PLEASE NOTE FROM THE CCC 846
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?[SUP]335[/SUP] Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.[SUP]336[/SUP]
What is this section teaching Catholics? (all false doctrine)
1. They are relying on both Tradition and Scripture.
2. The Church... is necessary for salvation.
3. People enter the Body of Christ through baptism.
4. Those who reject these false doctrines cannot be saved.
5. Only those who enter the RCC and remain in it are saved.
Note: There is no question that the RCC equates "the Church" with itself, since the RCC teaches baptismal regeneration. No wonder that it makes every effort to bring all Christians under its umbrella, and also wants them to view the pope as the "Vicar of Christ".
Seems like a good place to put this. 
For years I have seen and heard strange things from my sister-from a strange brown thing on her back called a scapular which she claimed helped you get into heaVen if you died suddenly, to a whole lot of answers of I don't know but I'll ask the priest, which was followed by strange literature she brought me while admitting that she tried to read it but just got more confused.
Yesterday, she came over, having gone to a neighbors church who invited her, where she said the preacher had a whole different understanding of the peter, rock,this is what I'll build my church on verse. He said the word peter meant more a little pebble than a huge rock. And that the little pebble could be likened to the mustard seed, a small portion of faith.
She seemed quite excited. For my part, I felt like I needed not to make any sudden movements and scare her away, so I hid my own excitement and joy.
For years I have seen and heard strange things from my sister-from a strange brown thing on her back called a scapular which she claimed helped you get into heaVen if you died suddenly, to a whole lot of answers of I don't know but I'll ask the priest, which was followed by strange literature she brought me while admitting that she tried to read it but just got more confused.
Yesterday, she came over, having gone to a neighbors church who invited her, where she said the preacher had a whole different understanding of the peter, rock,this is what I'll build my church on verse. He said the word peter meant more a little pebble than a huge rock. And that the little pebble could be likened to the mustard seed, a small portion of faith.
She seemed quite excited. For my part, I felt like I needed not to make any sudden movements and scare her away, so I hid my own excitement and joy.
The protest that started the reformation (re-formation) of the body of believers (the church/s), allowed light to shine in a dark world.
The protesters all believed that the RCC is the beast of Rev 13. And if you study it is easy to identify it as that beast.
But it says that the deadly wound would be healed and the world will wonder after it again. If you don't know the reasons for the protest you might be following the harlot (Rev 18) again.
The protesters all believed that the RCC is the beast of Rev 13. And if you study it is easy to identify it as that beast.
But it says that the deadly wound would be healed and the world will wonder after it again. If you don't know the reasons for the protest you might be following the harlot (Rev 18) again.
Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority.
Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.
Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.
Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone.
This is what a true protestant believes.
Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.
Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.
Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone.
This is what a true protestant believes.
You are incorrect about the view that all posters believed the RCC is the beast. You are Imbuing them with your beliefs. You are ignoring what Luther was trying to accomplish with his nailing the thesis to the door of the church. That was common practice at that time and place to start a debate. He was challenging the Church to discuss the issues. History proved him correct. The RCC after time abandoned the actions he challenged them on. They never recanted but quietly abandoned the practices.
The Apostles Creed was created by the early church to define who is a Christian.
Apostles creed
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into hell.
On the third day He rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Christian Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
What part of this does the RCC violate?
Apostles creed
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into hell.
On the third day He rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Christian Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
What part of this does the RCC violate?
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I cannot agree with this statement in general. Predestination is written all through the old and new testament and contradicts the entire catholic doctrine. Not to mention maryolytry, putting Mary in many nations on par or above Christ in deity worship position.
Also, the pope has prayed with Islamic leaders in theirs mosques, Jews in synagogues, anglicans and more. Accepting you can be anyone or do anything. He's also said evangelising/proselytising is not necessary, though he's allowed to do any evil act as the pope is infallible by catholic doctrines.
Catholics in some nations still wear hoods and whip themselves in the streets, like Muslims, until they bleed.
It's all online. So the Roman Catholic church can't deny it like they tried to deny killing 10's of millions of Christians, over about 12 to 1400? Years.
So I think I will not be a catholic thanks.
Also, the pope has prayed with Islamic leaders in theirs mosques, Jews in synagogues, anglicans and more. Accepting you can be anyone or do anything. He's also said evangelising/proselytising is not necessary, though he's allowed to do any evil act as the pope is infallible by catholic doctrines.
Catholics in some nations still wear hoods and whip themselves in the streets, like Muslims, until they bleed.
It's all online. So the Roman Catholic church can't deny it like they tried to deny killing 10's of millions of Christians, over about 12 to 1400? Years.
So I think I will not be a catholic thanks.
The Apostles Creed predates the Catholic Church. Unless you agree with the RCC version of church history claiming Peter was the first pope. There were divisions of the church before the Roman Church was proclaimed the only acceptable church before the great schism. As long as there have been churches there has been differing views on relatively minor issues. The Apostles Creed was created to define the core beliefs of Christianity. All other issues are not defining who is and isn't a Christian. We need to just agree to disagree on the minor issues. Each denomination has its distinctives and we don't have to conform to them. We MUST conform to the Apostles Creed.
The Nicine Creeds also do similar things. They emphasize the Trinity.
The Nicine Creeds also do similar things. They emphasize the Trinity.
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ROTFLMAO
Hard to do with some claiming some Bible believing denominations are heritical, more interested in the distinctives than the core agreement. Every time someone claims the Catholic Church is the beast I ask what part of the Apostles Creed do they disagree with and get no answer. There are protestant denominations that refuse to defrock a minister for saying Jesus was just a good man. Presbyterian USA for example. They defrocked the last believing minister that controlled any money. While there are believing ministers in the denomination the denomination was taken over by secular ministers in 1932. The book Crossed Fingers by Gary North documents this. The other 6 big protestant denominations have the same issue. The result is some churches with believing ministers are fighting in the denominations most believing ministers took their churches into seperate Bible believing denominations. For example in the Presbyterian churches the father-in-law of Billy Graham led churches into the new Presbyterian Church of America. Other denominations experienced similar events with believing churches seperating into a Bible believing denomination. For example Lutheran Missouri Synod.
Hard to do with some claiming some Bible believing denominations are heritical, more interested in the distinctives than the core agreement. Every time someone claims the Catholic Church is the beast I ask what part of the Apostles Creed do they disagree with and get no answer. There are protestant denominations that refuse to defrock a minister for saying Jesus was just a good man. Presbyterian USA for example. They defrocked the last believing minister that controlled any money. While there are believing ministers in the denomination the denomination was taken over by secular ministers in 1932. The book Crossed Fingers by Gary North documents this. The other 6 big protestant denominations have the same issue. The result is some churches with believing ministers are fighting in the denominations most believing ministers took their churches into seperate Bible believing denominations. For example in the Presbyterian churches the father-in-law of Billy Graham led churches into the new Presbyterian Church of America. Other denominations experienced similar events with believing churches seperating into a Bible believing denomination. For example Lutheran Missouri Synod.
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I used to think more along the lines of the Catholic church only being the beast, but I'm more thinking along the grace and truth ministries opinion as of late.
That it is a "self,self,self" system that started probably at the first city of Babylon. A city (own law etc), a non Christian submission to the will of God. Worth a look on YouTube etc.
That it is a "self,self,self" system that started probably at the first city of Babylon. A city (own law etc), a non Christian submission to the will of God. Worth a look on YouTube etc.