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Um, no it is not. TYhey even went further, they had mosaic law plus all their added laws. So they thought they were even more righteous than the law demanded.
In my 40 years of going to church all over the eastern United States, and many discussion with many people of all denominations. Your the only person I ever heard make this claim that the Pharisee were not legalists. Trying to earn Gods love. By obedience.
In my 40 years of going to church all over the eastern United States, and many discussion with many people of all denominations. Your the only person I ever heard make this claim that the Pharisee were not legalists. Trying to earn Gods love. By obedience.
No its not.
Everyone who works at the law does it because they think they will be pleasing to God.
Everyone who works at the law does EXACTLY what the Pharisees do. They bring it down to their own understanding so they appear to be fulfilling it by their work and strength.
They are all deceived because they haven't received the Truth.
Everyone who works at the law does it because they think they will be pleasing to God.
Everyone who works at the law does EXACTLY what the Pharisees do. They bring it down to their own understanding so they appear to be fulfilling it by their work and strength.
They are all deceived because they haven't received the Truth.
I have a friend who is a messianic Jew. Her grandparents died at Auschwitz in the ovens She keeps the feasts to teach her children about their Jewish heritage. Would you and others call her unsaved?
She could school all of us in grace and truth and salvation by Faith.
Before casting a wide net, be mindful that all you seek to catch in the net is not all that are in the net.
She could school all of us in grace and truth and salvation by Faith.
Before casting a wide net, be mindful that all you seek to catch in the net is not all that are in the net.
I simply asked for someone to give me one Biblical example where Jesus accused the Pharisees of obeying God’s laws as you and “many” preach.
But all I get is more doctrines and traditions of man. I posted many scriptures from both the Old and New Testaments that clearly say the Mainstream preachers of Christ’s time were NOT trying to please God by obeying Him, rather, they created their own righteousness, their own doctrines and traditions and transgressed Gods Commandments by them. For this Jesus rejected them.
I am still waiting for more than lip service to support your preaching.
But all I get is more doctrines and traditions of man. I posted many scriptures from both the Old and New Testaments that clearly say the Mainstream preachers of Christ’s time were NOT trying to please God by obeying Him, rather, they created their own righteousness, their own doctrines and traditions and transgressed Gods Commandments by them. For this Jesus rejected them.
I am still waiting for more than lip service to support your preaching.
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You know what funny, When they would say they kept the law since birth, Jesus would never deny they had done this, In fact, He knew, as did all people living at that day,. That the Pharisee morally according to the law was the most righteous people on earth. Jesus made it know. Unless our righteousness EXCEEDS theirs, we have no hope. By this statement, anyone who could live a morally good life which exceeded theirs we could earn the right to heaven by our actions.
The pharisees sins were commited in private, Everyone else’s sins was out for all to see. There is no doubt they were sinners. As jesus proclaimed to all.. But when it comes to the law hall of fame, No one did it better but Christ.
The pharisees sins were commited in private, Everyone else’s sins was out for all to see. There is no doubt they were sinners. As jesus proclaimed to all.. But when it comes to the law hall of fame, No one did it better but Christ.
It’s about what Jesus and His Word teaches, vs. what those “who come in His Name” teaches. If you can show me one place where Jesus said the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by obeying God’s Laws please post it. But you can’t, because it isn’t there.
Jesus said just the opposite of you in this post.
Doesn’t that bother you?
Jesus said just the opposite of you in this post.
Doesn’t that bother you?
GOD’s law Is perfect and since JESUS Is the perfect representation of GOD on earth,WHY would HE teach against GOD’s WORD
But I think this scripture would be fitting toward the pharisees.
Luke 11:40-43
King James Verso(KJV)
40.)[Ye] fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
41.)But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
42.)But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
43.)Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets.
By The Way see post 318
But I think this scripture would be fitting toward the pharisees.
Luke 11:40-43
King James Verso(KJV)
40.)[Ye] fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?
41.)But rather give alms of such things as ye have; and, behold, all things are clean unto you.
42.)But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
43.)Woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues, and greetings in the markets.
By The Way see post 318
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Oh they claimed to be God’s people no doubt. They claimed to obey “the law of Moses”. But they did not. They had created their own path, their own image of God, their own “feasts unto the Lord”, their own righteousness as it is written.
You still have not given me one time where Jesus said the Pharisees were rejected because they were trying to obey God. Or that the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by obeying God.
That’s because it isn’t in the Bible EG. It is just one of the many man made doctrines and traditions we were told to “take heed” of.
Should I listen to Mainstream teaching and by extension you? Or should I listen to Jesus?
Jesus said; “Moses gave you the law, yet none of you keep the law”
EG said; “That the Pharisees morally according to the law was the most righteous people on earth”
Exactly the opposite of each other.
I’m going to stick with the Jesus of the Bible.
You still have not given me one time where Jesus said the Pharisees were rejected because they were trying to obey God. Or that the Pharisees were trying to earn salvation by obeying God.
That’s because it isn’t in the Bible EG. It is just one of the many man made doctrines and traditions we were told to “take heed” of.
Should I listen to Mainstream teaching and by extension you? Or should I listen to Jesus?
Jesus said; “Moses gave you the law, yet none of you keep the law”
EG said; “That the Pharisees morally according to the law was the most righteous people on earth”
Exactly the opposite of each other.
I’m going to stick with the Jesus of the Bible.
I think God is as smart as.....there is a reason he placed the heart a little LEFT in the chest and then stated clearly that the hearts of the sons of men are fully set to do evil......
Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.