Yahweh and Yeshua: A Comparison and Contrast

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[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 44:24, “Thus said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], your Redeemer, and He who formed you from the womb, “I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], doing all, stretching out the heavens all alone, spreading out the earth, with none beside Me.”[/FONT]

Isaiah 45:21-22, “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a righteous Power and Savior, there is none besides Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Strength, and there is none else.”



John 3:16, “For יהוהso loved the world that He gave His only brought-forth Son, so that everyone who believes in Him should not perish but possess everlasting life.”


1 John 2:1-2, “My little children, I write this to you, so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Intercessor with the Father, יהושע Messiah, the righteous One. And He Himself is an atoning offering for our sins, and not for ours only but also for all the world.”


Isaiah 53:67-9, “We all, like sheep, went astray, each one of us has turned to his own way. Andיהוה has laid on Him the crookedness of us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, but He did not open His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, but He did not open His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment. And as for His generation, who considered that He shall be cut off from the land of the living? For the transgression of My people He was stricken. And He was appointed a burial-site with the wrong, and with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was deceit in His mouth.”


Psalm 68:19, "Blessed be יהוה, Day by day He bears our burden, The Strength of our salvation! Selah."


“Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p., 1.(meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior) Root(s): H3442, See also: H3091


Root word of “Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous -H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l., 1. he will save. Root(s): H3091


Root word of “Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous - H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p., יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah), 1. Yahweh-saved. Root(s): H3068, H3467, Compare: H1954, H3442

 

[PS]

Isaiah 44:24, “Thus said יהוה, your Redeemer, and He who formed you from the womb, “I am יהוה, doing all, stretching out the heavens all alone, spreading out the earth, with none beside Me.”

Your quote is about the true God who came to his own.

The Jews plotted against him and to this day still reject him.

"Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement" (Gittin 57a).

"Mary, the mother of Jesus, was a whore and played the harlot with carpenters" (Sanhedrin, 106a,b).

"[Christ] practised sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy" (Sanhedrin, 43a).

"Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament" (Shabbath 116a).

Source the TALMUD

 

[Hizikyah]

Your quote is about the true God who came to his own.

The Jews plotted against him and to this day still reject him.

"Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement" (Gittin 57a).

"Mary, the mother of Jesus, was a whore and played the harlot with carpenters" (Sanhedrin, 106a,b).

"[Christ] practised sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy" (Sanhedrin, 43a).

"Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament" (Shabbath 116a).

Source the TALMUD

they even would take people to trail and murder them for saying YHWH's name

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 2:9, "“I know your works, and pressure, and poverty – yet you are rich – and the blasphemy of those who say they are Yehuḏim and are not, but are a congregation of Satan."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 3:9, "“See, I am giving up those of the congregation of Satan, who say they are Yehuḏim and are not, but lie. See, I am making them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Zechariah 7:11-13, "But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which YHWH of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from YHWH of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says YHWH of hosts!"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 2:8, "The priests did not ask; Where is YHWH? Those who deal with the Law did not know Me! The pastors also transgressed against Me, and the prophets prophesied in the name of Baal; (the Lord), and walked after things of worthlessness"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7 page 680[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The personal name... written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants YHWH and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton." At least until the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century B.C.E. the pronunciation of the name YHWH was avoided and Adonai,"the Lord,"was substituted for it.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Word #H136 - Adonay: Adonay: Lord - Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֲדֹנָי [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]- Transliteration: Adonay - Phonetic Spelling: (ad-o-noy') - Short Definition: Lord[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - ADONAI[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]a-do'-ni, ad-o-na'-i ('adhonay): A Divine name, translated "Lord," and signifying, from its derivation, "sovereignty." Its vowels are found in the Massoretic Text with the unpronounceable tetragrammaton YHWH; and when the Hebrew reader came to these letters, he always substituted in pronunciation the word " 'adhonay," (Lord). Its vowels combined with the tetragrammaton form the word "YHWH (YHWH)."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kiddushin, page 71a[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]...R. Abina opposed [two verses]: It is written, 'this is my name'; but it is also written, 'and this is my memorial'?__The Holy One, blessed be He, said: I am not called as I am written: I am written with yod he, but I am read, alef daleth.7. The Tetragrammaton is yod he waw he (YHWH); but it is read adonai = alef daleth nun yod (ADNY)...[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Name YHWH was removed at least 6,823 times and replaced with LORD or GOD. You can tell where it was because ALL the letters are capital where YHWH was. The Masorites added vowel points to the Hebrew manuscripts (not in the "J" writings," (Called J (Y) for it's use of YHWH), but in the next oldest, the "E" writings (for it's use of Elohim). The vowel points replaced YHWH's Name with Adonai = Lord and Elohim = God(s).It is forbidden by YHWH to hide His Name by the way. However as we seen in the Talmud, to the Rabbis this is of no effect: "we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice." Then we come to modern times when this false practice is still used, many Bible prefaces literally say, "this tradition is still used".[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of YHWH by your traditions?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name (YHWH) in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white/"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Numbers 6:23-27, "Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying; This is how you are to bless the children of Israyl. Say to them; YHWH BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. YHWH MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE MERCIFUL TO YOU. YHWH LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU, AND GIVE YOU PEACE. So they will put MY NAME on the children of Israyl, and I will bless them."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yeremyah 2:8, "The priests did not ask; Where is YHWH? Those who deal with the Law did not know Me! The pastors also transgressed against Me, and the prophets prophesied in the name of Baal, and walked after things of worthlessness"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This is the Command that the "priests forbore", all supposedly because that "Rabbi" said, "but perhaps that is not so." Note "nor did the crimson-colored strap become white," this was the sign that their sins were forgiven. Also the Talmud RECORDS that after they killed Yahshua, from that time until the destruction Bayith YHWH (Solomon's Temple) the crimson colored strap NEVER turned white again.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Malakyah 2:2, "If you will not hear, if you will not take this to heart--to give glory to My Name, says YHWH of hosts: I will send a curse upon you! I will curse your blessings; yes, I have cursed them already, because you do not take this to heart."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Talmud - Mas. Sanhedrin 56a[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]THE WHOLE DAY [OF THE TRIAL] THE WITNESSES ARE EXAMINED BY MEANS OF A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE DIVINE NAME, THUS, ‘MAY JOSE SMITE JOSE.’1 WHEN THE TRIAL WAS FINISHED, THE ACCUSED WAS NOT EXECUTED ON THIS EVIDENCE, BUT ALL PERSONS WERE REMOVED [FROM COURT], AND THE CHIEF WITNESS WAS TOLD, ‘STATE LITERALLY WHAT YOU HEARD. THEREUPON HE DID SO, [USING THE DIVINE NAME]. THE JUDGES THEN AROSE AND RENT THEIR GARMENTS, WHICH RENT WAS NOT TO BE RESEWN. THE SECOND WITNESS STATED; I TOO HAVE HEARD THUS’ [BUT NOT UTTERING THE DIVINE NAME], AND THE THIRD SAYS: ‘I TOO HEARD THUS’. GEMARA. It has been taught: [The blasphemer is not punished] unless he ‘blesses’ the Name, by the Name2 From the verse, How shall I curse [Ekkob]5 whom God hath not cursed;6 whilst the formal prohibition is contained in the verse, thou shalt not revile God.7 But perhaps it means ‘to pierce,’8 as it is written, [So Jehoiada the priest took a chest,] and bored [wa-yikkob]9 a hole in the lid of it,10 the formal injunction against this being the verses, Ye shall destroy the names of them [idols] out of that place. Ye shall not do so unto the Lord your God?11 — The Name must be ‘blessed’ by the Name, which is absent here. But perhaps the text refers to the putting of two slips of parchment, each bearing the Divine Name, together, and piercing them both? — In that case one Name is pierced after the other.12 But perhaps it prohibits the engraving of the Divine Name on the Point of a knife and piercing therewith [the Divine Name written on a slip of parchment]? — In that case, the point of the knife pierces, not the Divine Name. But perhaps it refers to the pronunciation of the ineffable Name, as it is written, And Moses and Aaron took these men which are expressed [nikkebu]13 by their names;14 the formal prohibition being contained in the verse, Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God?15 — Firstly, the Name must be ‘blessed’ by the Name, which is absent here; and secondly, it is a prohibition in the form of a positive command, which is not deemed to be a prohibition at all.16 An alternative answer is this: The Writ saith, [And the Israelitish woman's son] blasphemed wa-yikkob17 [and cursed],18 proving that blasphemy [nokeb] denotes cursing. But perhaps it teaches that both offences must be perpetrated?19 You cannot think so, because it is written, Bring forth him that hath cursed,20 and not ‘him that hath blasphemed and cursed’, proving that one offence only is alluded to. Our Rabbis taught: [Any man that curseth his God, shall bear his sin.21 It would have been sufficient to say]...[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mark 7:7-9, "But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of YHWH, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of YHWH, so that you may keep your own tradition!"

This is why Yahshua said;

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of YHWH!"

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 118:26, "Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]! We shall bless you from the House of [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. "[/FONT][/FONT]

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[Hizikyah]

Isaiah 45:21-22, “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a righteous Power and Savior, there is none besides Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Strength, and there is none else.”


John 3:16, “For יהוהso loved the world that He gave His only brought-forth Son, so that everyone who believes in Him should not perish but possess everlasting life.”


1 John 2:1-2, “My little children, I write this to you, so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Intercessor with the Father, יהושע Messiah, the righteous One. And He Himself is an atoning offering for our sins, and not for ours only but also for all the world.”


Isaiah 53:67-9, “We all, like sheep, went astray, each one of us has turned to his own way. Andיהוה has laid on Him the crookedness of us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, but He did not open His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, but He did not open His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment. And as for His generation, who considered that He shall be cut off from the land of the living? For the transgression of My people He was stricken. And He was appointed a burial-site with the wrong, and with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was deceit in His mouth.”


Psalm 68:19, "Blessed be יהוה, Day by day He bears our burden, The Strength of our salvation! Selah."


“Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p., 1.(meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior) Root(s): H3442, See also: H3091


Root word of “Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous -H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l., 1. he will save. Root(s): H3091


Root word of “Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous - H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p., יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah), 1. Yahweh-saved. Root(s): H3068, H3467, Compare: H1954, H3442

 

[Hizikyah]

Yermeyah 11:21-23, “Therefore thus said יהוה concerning the men of Anathoth who are seeking your life, saying, ‘Do not prophesy in the Name of יהוה, lest you die by our hand.’ therefore thus said יהוה of hosts, ‘See, I am punishing them, the young men shall die by the sword, their sons and their daughters shall die by scarcity of food. And there shall be no remnant of them, for I bring evil on the men of Anathoth – the year of their punishment.”

Mat 23:37, “Yerushalayim, Yerushalayim, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to her! How often I wished to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, but you would not!"38, "“See! Your house is left to you laid waste,” for I say to you, from now on you shall by no means see Me, until you say, ‘Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה!’”

Revelation 2:9, "“I know your works, and pressure, and poverty – yet you are rich – and the blasphemy of those who say they are Yehuḏim and are not, but are a congregation of Satan."

Jeremiah 2:8, "The priests did not ask; Where is YHWH? Those who deal with the Law did not know Me! The pastors also transgressed against Me, and the prophets prophesied in the name of Baal; (the Lord), and walked after things of worthlessness"

Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b
His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name (YHWH) in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white/"

Numbers 6:23-27, "Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying; This is how you are to bless the children of Israyl. Say to them; YHWH BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. YHWH MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE MERCIFUL TO YOU. YHWH LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU, AND GIVE YOU PEACE. So they will put MY NAME on the children of Israyl, and I will bless them."

Mattithyah 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of YHWH!"
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Psalms 118:26, "Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה! We shall bless you from the House of יהוה. "

And the majority of english translations follow this Pharisee/Talmud man made "law"

American Standard Version - Preface
"The change first proposed in the Appendix --- that which substitutes "Jehovah" for "LORD" and "GOD" (printed in small capitals) --- is one which will be unwelcome by many, because of the frequency and familiarity of the terms displaced. But the American Revisers, after a careful consideration, were brought to the unanimous conviction that a Jewish superstition, which regarded the Divine Name as too sacred to be uttered, ought no longer to dominate in the English or any other version of the Old Testament, as it fortunately does not in the numerous versions made by modern missionaries.

English Standard Version - Preface
"In the translation of biblical terms referring to God, the ESV takes great care to convey the specific nuances of meaning of the original Hebrew and Greek terms. First, concerning terms that refer to God in the Old Testament: God, the Maker of heaven and earth, introduced himself to the people of Israel with the special, personal name, whose consonants are YHWH (see Exodus 3:14-15). Scholars call this the “Tetragrammaton,” a Greek term referring to the four Hebrew letters YHWH. The exact pronunciation of YHWH is uncertain, because the Jewish people considered the personal name of God to be so holy that it should never be spoken aloud. Instead of reading the word YHWH, they would normally read the Hebrew word adonai (“Lord”), and the ancient translations into Greek, Syriac, and Aramaic also followed suit. When the vowels of the word adonai are placed with the consonants of YHWH, this results in the familiar word Jehovah that was used in some earlier English Bible translations. As is common among English translations today, the ESV usually renders the personal name of God (YHWH) with the word Lord (printed in small capitals). An exception to this is when the Hebrew word adonai appears together with YHWH, in which case the two words are rendered together as “the Lord [in lower case] God [in small capitals].” In contrast to the personal name for God (YHWH), the more general name for God in Old Testament Hebrew is ‘elohim and its related forms of ‘el or ‘eloah, all of which are normally translated “God” (in lower case letters). The use of these different ways to translate the Hebrew words for God is especially beneficial to the English reader, enabling the reader to see and understand the different ways that the personal name and the general name for God are both used to refer to the One True God of the Old Testament."

The English Revised Version - Preface
"It has been thought advisable in regard to the word "JEHOVAH" to follow the usage of the Authorised Version, and not to insert it uniformly in place of "LORD" or "GOD," which when printed in small capitals represent the words substituted by Jewish custom for the ineffable Name according to the vowel points by which it is distinguished. It will be found, therefore, that in this respect the Authorised Version has been departed from only in a few passages, in which the introduction of a proper name seemed to be required."

GOD'S WORD Translation - Preface
"GOD'S WORD capitalizes the first letter in proper nouns and sentences and all the letters in the word LORD when it represents Yahweh, the name of God in the Old Testament."

Good News Translation Bible - Preface
"Following an ancient tradition, begun by the first translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (the Septuagint) and followed by the vast majority of English translations, the distinctive Hebrew name for God (usually transliterated Jehovah or Yahweh), is in this translation represented by “LORD.” When Adonai, normally translated “Lord,” is followed by Yahweh, the combination is rendered by the phrase “Sovereign LORD.”

Holman Christian Standard Bible - Preface
"The Tetragrammaton occurs 6,828 times in the Hebrew Bible. Nearly all English versions follow the ancient tradition of rendering the Divine name as “the Lord.” The King James Version makes only four exceptions (Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, and Isaiah 26:4), where it renders the name as “Jehovah.” The first edition of the HCSB used “Yahweh” seventy-five times, and the 2009 revision increased the number to 476, although the ordinary rendering continues to be “the Lord.” One of the editors of the version has explained why the version uses “Yahweh” in the places where it does: We use it as the rendering of YHWH (which the Hebrew Bible editors first rendered as Adonai, “Lord”) whenever God’s “name” is being given (either explicitly, using the word “name,” or implicitly), when He is being identified (“I am Yahweh”), when He is being contrasted to other gods such as Baal, in certain repeated phrases such as “Yahweh the God of your fathers,” or when YHWH has been rendered by Yahweh in the immediate context. … our objective is to introduce to the contemporary church what is the most likely pronunciation of the divine name YHWH in the Hebrew Bible. We did not render the majority of occurrences of YHWH as Yahweh because our goal is not only to be accurate but to use an English style that is most familiar to people. Since most Christians today probably do not commonly speak of “Yahweh,” but rather of “the Lord,” we felt it would be insensitive to use Yahweh for YHWH in every case and would make the Bible seem too uncomfortable for most people."

New American Bible - Preface
"A superficial difference between two of these sources is responsible for their names: the Yahwist prefers the name Yahweh (represented in translation as Lord) by which God revealed himself to Israel; the Elohist prefers the generic name for God, Elohim. The Yahwist is concrete, imaginative, using many anthropomorphisms in its theological approach, as seen, e.g., in the narrative of creation in Genesis 2, compared with the Priestly version in Genesis 1. The Elohist is more sober, moralistic. The Priestly strand, which emphasizes genealogies, is more severely theological in tone. The Deuteronomic approach is characterized by the intense hortatory style of Deuteronomy 5-11, and by certain principles from which it works, such as the centralization of worship in the Jerusalem temple."

New American Standard Bible - Preface
"THE PROPER NAME OF GOD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT: In the Scriptures, the name of God is most significant and understandably so. It is inconceivable to think of spiritual matters without a proper designation for the Supreme Deity. Thus the most common name for the Deity is God, a translation of the original Elohim. One of the titles for God is Lord, a translation of Adonai. There is yet another name which is particularly assigned to God as His special or proper name, that is, the four letters YHWH (Exodus 3:14 and Isaiah 42:8). This name has not been pronounced by the Jews because of reverence for the great sacredness of the divine name. Therefore, it has been consistently translated LORD. The only exception to this translation of YHWH is when it occurs in immediate proximity to the word Lord, that is, Adonai. In that case it is regularly translated GOD in order to avoid confusion. It is known that for many years YHWH has been transliterated as Yahweh, however no complete certainty attaches to this pronunciation."

New English Translation - Preface
"The translation of the Divine Name... This was rendered traditionally as “Jehovah” in the King James Version, but it is generally recognized that this represents a combination of the consonants of the tetragrammaton, YHWH, and the vowels from a completely different Hebrew word, adonai (“master”), which were substituted by the Masoretes so that pronunciation of the Divine Name could be avoided: whenever YHWH appeared in the text, the presence of the vowels from the word adonai signaled to the reader that the word adonai was to be pronounced instead... In spite of this, however, the Committee eventually decided to follow the usage of most English translations and render the Divine Name as “LORD” in small caps. Thus the frequent combination Yahweh elohim is rendered as LORD God...Other combinations like Yahweh Sebaoth, traditionally rendered “Lord of Hosts,” have been translated either as “Sovereign Lord” or “the Lord who leads armies” depending on the context. Such instances are typically indicated by a translator’s note [tn]."

New International Version - Preface
"In regard to the divine name YHWH, commonly referred to as the Tetragrammaton, the translators adopted the device used in most English versions...of rendering that name as "LORD" in capital letters to distinguish it from adonai, another Hebrew word rendered "Lord" for which small letters are used."

New King James Version (Holman) - Preface
"The covenant name of God was usually translated from the Hebrew word as LORD or GOD, using capital letters as shown, as in the King James Version. This convention is also maintained in the New King James Version when the Old Testament is quoted in the New."

 

[Hizikyah]

cont. from above

New King James Version (Biblica) - Preface
"The covenant name of God was usually translated from the Hebrew word as "LORD" or "GOD", using capital letters as shown, as in the King James Old Testament. This tradition is maintained. In the present edition the name is so capitalized whenever the covenant name is quoted in the New Testament from a passage in the Old Testament."

New Living Translation - Preface
"Since the Hebrew lunar calendar fluctuates from year to year in relation to the solar calendar used today, we have translated Hebrew dates in a way that communicates with our modern readership. It was clear that we could not use the names of the Hebrew months, such as Abib, which are meaningless to the modern reader...For the sake of clarity, we have maintained lexical consistency in areas such as divine names...All appearances of ’el, ’elohim, or ’eloah have been translated “God,” except where the context demands the translation “god(s).” We have rendered the tetragrammaton (YHWH) consistently as “the Lord,” utilizing a form with small capitals that is common among English translations. This will distinguish it from the name ’adonai, which we render “Lord.” When ’adonai and YHWH appear in conjunction, we have rendered it “Sovereign Lord.” This also distinguishes ’adonai YHWH from cases where YHWH appears with ’elohim, which is rendered “Lord God.” When YH (the short form of YHWH) and YHWH appear together, we have rendered it “Lord God.” The Hebrew word ’adon is rendered “lord,” or “master,” or sometimes “sir.”

New Revised Standard Version - Preface
"Careful readers will notice that here and there in the Old Testament the word Lord (or in certain cases God) is printed in capital letters. This represents the traditional manner in English versions of rendering the Divine Name, the "Tetragrammaton" (see the notes on Exodus 3.14, 15), following the precedent of the ancient Greek and Latin translators and the long established practice in the reading of the Hebrew Scriptures in the synagogue. While it is almost if not quite certain that the Name was originally pronounced "Yahweh," this pronunciation was not indicated when the Masoretes added vowel sounds to the consonantal Hebrew text. To the four consonants YHWH of the Name, which had come to be regarded as too sacred to be pronounced, they attached vowel signs indicating that in its place should be read the Hebrew word Adonai meaning "Lord" (or Elohim meaning "God"). Ancient Greek translators employed the word Kyrios ("Lord") for the Name. The Vulgate likewise used the Latin word Dominus ("Lord"). The form "Jehovah" is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word. Although the American Standard Version (1901) had used "Jehovah" to render the Tetragrammaton (the sound of Y being represented by J and the sound of W by V, as in Latin), for two reasons the Committees that produced the RSV and the NRSV returned to the more familiar usage of the King James Version. (1) The word "Jehovah" does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew. (2) The use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom the true God had to be distinguished, began to be discontinued in Judaism before the Christian era and is inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church."

Revised English Bible - Introduction to the Old Testament
"The divine name (YHWH in Hebrew characters) was probably pronounced 'Yahweh', but the name was regarded as ineffable, too sacred to be pronounced."

Revised Standard Version - Preface
"A major departure from the practice of the American Standard Version is the rendering of the Divine Name, the "Tetragrammaton." The American Standard Version used the term "Jehovah"; the King James Version had employed this in four places, but everywhere else, except in three cases where it was employed as part of a proper name, used the English word LORD (or in certain cases GOD) printed in capitals. The present revision returns to the procedure of the King James Version, which follows the precedent of the ancient Greek and Latin translators and the long established practice in the reading of the Hebrew scriptures in the synagogue."

Today's English Version - Preface
" Following an ancient tradition...begun by the first translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (the Septuagint) and followed by the vast majority of English translations, the distinctive Hebrew name for God (usually transliterated Jehovah or Yahweh), is in this translation represented by "LORD." When Adonai, normally translated "Lord," occurs preposed to Yahweh, the combination is rendered by the phrase "Sovereign LORD."

The World English Bible - Preface
"The World English Bible main edition translates God’s Proper Name in the Old Testament as “Yahweh.” The Messianic Edition and the British Edition of the World English Bible translates the same name as “LORD” (all capital letters), or when used with “Lord” (mixed case, translated from “Adonai”,) GOD. There are solid translational arguments for both traditions."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 111:9, “He sent redemption to His people, He has commanded His covenant forever. Set-apart and awesome is His Name.”[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

Psalm 83:18, “And let them know that You, Whose Name is יהוה, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.”

 

[PS]

Psalm 83:18, “And let them know that You, Whose Name is יהוה, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.”

As I have said, compare the teaching of Jesus who speaks not of himself but as the Father gives him and compare His teaching which includes the Ten Commandments with what the Israelites did in the name of their god.

Here are they all are:
1. "Forgive everybody of all their offences against you."
2. "You must be born again."
3. "Abide in me, and let me abide in you."
4. "Let people see your good works." (do not hide your light under a basket.)
5. "End disputes quickly."
6. "Whatever causes you to sin, get rid of it."
7. "Do not swear oaths at all."
8. "Do not return offence for offence." (Turn the other cheek.)
9. "Give what people ask of you, and give more than is required." (Go the extra mile.)
10. "Love your enemies and those who work against you."
11. "Give to the poor to please God, not to gain approval from other people."
12. "Pray privately and simply, not to impress other people."
13. "Make your prayers be like the Lord’s Prayer."
14. "When you fast, do it secretly, not for show."
15. "Store up your treasures in heaven, not on earth."
16. "Do not worry about your material needs."
17. "Do not worry about the future."
18. "Make God your highest priority, and he will take care of all your needs."
19. "Do not judge other people." (Judge not, lest ye be judged.)
20. "Do not give holy things to dogs or cast your pearls before swine."
21. "Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, comfort those in distress."
22. "Follow the narrow path to life." (enter by the narrow gate.)
23. "Beware of false prophets."
24. "Exercise power over unclean spirits."
25. "Love little children, do not despise them."
26. "Do not take the titles 'master' or 'father' for yourself."
27. "Resolve disputes in an orderly way, like this . . . "
28. "Do not oppose other believers in Christ who are not in your group."
29. "Have total faith in God for everything."
30. "Be like the good Samaritan." (go, and do likewise.)
31. "Love other people as i have loved you"
32. "Eat bread and drink wine in remembrance of me."
33. "Wash one another's feet."
34. "Be merciful."
35. "Go and teach all nations, baptising them."
36. "Keep my commandments."
37. "Be prepared for your master to return."

You are not listening so I am putting you on ignore.

 

[JaumeJ]

Bon dia Jair, com va tot?

Your name is Jair, and here in Spain that would be a Catalan name, ergo the Catalan above.

Throughout the Old Testament you will see Yahweh, the Lord , declare Himself as our Savior, our Salvation, our Redeemer, , our Husband, , our King ad nauseum.

I will never pretend to understand dhow the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are One, but faith makes me believe it is all true.

Jesus is ou r KIng, our Husband, our Redeemer,, our salvation, our Savior.......etc.All who believe Jesus Christ, believe they are One without questiong.

Researching the name Yahweh, I have, to my satisfaction, come to know it is akin to a gerund in English as concrning its part of speech. And, although it may be translated as "to will to be" the gerund of this infinitive, or the noun form is simply "Self-Existing." It was first translated as Iam or I am that I am........

Of course our Maker will manifest HImself as He sees fit, and He is quite capable of being the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, for His ways are not the ways of man nor His mind the mind of man. He will b whatever He chooses, and whatever He chooses is always good and perfect.

This has been a topic I've been trying to dig into a bit as I've been reading the Word lately. It can be rather confounding at times reading the way Yahweh is portrayed in the OT versus Yeshua in the NT, yet we know They are One.

I thought it would be an interesting topic to explore. Does anyone have any insights?

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:19-20, “Therefore [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]responded and said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son is able to do none at all by Himself, but only that which He sees the Father doing, because whatever He does, the Son also likewise does. For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all that He Himself does. And greater works than these He is going to show Him, in order that you marvel.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have practiced righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”[/FONT]

 

[JairCrawford]

Hizikyah I love your input so far. You have not come across as rude at all so don't worry about that.

To answer one of your questions from the last page (I haven't been able to read through all of your posts yet), no the verse in Samuel is not the only one where it seems evil is attributed to God.

There is another verse in the middle part of Isaiah (can't remember the specifics) where God evidently speaks through Isaiah the prophet and says "I cause all things good and create all evil." In later translations the word evil is changed to calamity, but the root word in Hebrew means evil.

This will be one of the cases where I agree with the scholars. Isaiah is likely divided among three different writers, the first portion likely being the man Isaiah himself, thank goodness because that doesn't include that particular verse and I do not believe any true prophet of God would ever receive such a contradictory word.

But the point is, it's verses like that when, if read literally, contradicts the fact that God created all things good and perfect.

On a side note, I understand that YHWH and Elohim are two different titles for God. And I am familiar with the fact that YHWH is used in Genesis before the name is said to be revealed in Exodus. The question is, because the account in Exodus states that that was when His name YHWH was first revealed, are the prior mentions of the name in Genesis insertions from a later date?

I propose not, because a closer reading of Exodus strongly implies that the people of Midian were already familiar with the name before Moses, given that his father in law Jethro is described as a priest of YHWH.

This also lines up with archaeological finds as well. The earliest mentions of YHWH are in Egypt, Sinai, and in the Midian and Edom regions.

The name Elohim is of Canaanite origin.

It's plausible that as these cultures met, a more complete understanding of Who God was started to develop, albeit with some issues here and there. Canaan was eager to simply incorporate Him into their pantheon, and Yisrael was content to reduce Him to their war deity.

In reality, He is so much bigger than either. And that's what Jesus shows us whe He came.

Thoughts? I know it's a lot of speculating.

 

[oldethennew]

if one is in question about 'what they should CALL their Holy Saviour',
then there is a very great 'problem' that is within themselves, for our
Lord looks upon the 'heart', and knows those who Love Him by whatever
Holy Name that they choose to communicate with Him...

 

[Hizikyah]

Hizikyah I love your input so far. You have not come across as rude at all so don't worry about that.

Cool, you know one cant convey tone through text, so I wanted to say that.

To answer one of your questions from the last page (I haven't been able to read through all of your posts yet), no the verse in Samuel is not the only one where it seems evil is attributed to God.

There is another verse in the middle part of Isaiah (can't remember the specifics) where God evidently speaks through Isaiah the prophet and says "I cause all things good and create all evil." In later translations the word evil is changed to calamity, but the root word in Hebrew means evil.

This will be one of the cases where I agree with the scholars. Isaiah is likely divided among three different writers, the first portion likely being the man Isaiah himself, thank goodness because that doesn't include that particular verse and I do not believe any true prophet of God would ever receive such a contradictory word.

Again I believe understanding the situation is key in understadning what the wording means. I think this is the verse you had in mind?

Isaiah 45:7, “forming light and creating darkness, making peace and creating adversity/evil (#H7451). I, יהוה, do all these."

This is the word for evil in Hebrew;#H5766 עֶוֶל `evel (eh'-vel) n-e., עָוֶל `avel (aw'-vel)

(moral) evil., [from H5765], KJV: iniquity, perverseness, unjust(-ly), unrighteousness(-ly); wicked(-ness). , Root(s): H5765

In some resources this word is also said to be evil, but it is not. In Hebrew the word “evel” (#H5766) means evil, In Hebrew the word “raa-awh” (#H7451) meanss adversity. Below you will wee two different resoures citing the same word with different meanings. The reason I say “raa-awh” (#H7451) does not mean evil is because from my studies In Hebrew the word “evel” (#H5766) means evil; this is the word that is used to describe what was foung in the covering cherub that sought to be as high as YHWH in Ezekiyl 28.


#H7451 רַע ra` (rah) adj., רָעָה ra`ah (raw-awh') [feminine], 1. bad., 2. (as noun) evil (natural or moral). {as adjective or noun; including feminine ra`ah.} [from H7489], Root(s): H7489


#H7451 - ra': adversity, Original Word: רָע, Part of Speech: Adjective; noun masculine; noun feminine, Transliteration: ra', Phonetic Spelling: (rah), Short Definition: adversity

I have sought study in this matter an this is my view.

But the point is, it's verses like that when, if read literally, contradicts the fact that God created all things good and perfect.

I disagree here. The Mighty Creator YHWH created all beings, even satan. YHWH knows the end from the beginning. He knew satan was going to be evil, but He did not force satan to be evil, all beings I have ever studied have bee ncreated with free wil, just like if a person chooses to rebell from YHWH, it is njot YHWH's fault or doing it is that own beings fault. Yet everything has a purpose.

Ezekiyl 28:13-19, “You were in Ĕḏen, the garden of the Most High. Every precious stone was your covering: the ruby, topaz, and diamond, beryl, shoham, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald and gold. The workmanship of your settings and mountings was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were the anointed keruḇ that covered. And I placed you, you were on the set-apart mountain of Yah. You walked up and down in the midst of stones of fire. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you. By the greatness of your trade you became filled with violence within, and you sinned. So I thrust you from the mountain of Yah, and I destroyed you, O covering keruḇ, from the midst of the stones of fire. Your heart was lifted up because of your loveliness, you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendour. I threw you to the earth, I laid you before sovereigns, to look at you. You profaned your set-apart places by your many crookednesses, by the unrighteousness of your trading. Therefore I brought forth fire from your midst. It has devoured you, and I turned you to ashes upon the earth before the eyes of all who see you. All who knew you among the peoples were astonished at you. Waste you shall be, and cease to be, forever.”

“You were the anointed keruḇ that covered”

“keruḇ” is word #H3742 כְּרוּב kruwb (ker-ooɓ') n-m., 1. a cherub. a created spiritual being having a various descriptions., 2. (apparently) a spiritual being created for a discrete purpose, thus differing from other cherubim in this manner., [of uncertain derivation], KJV: cherub, (plural) cherubims.

“You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you”

“unrighteousness” is word #H5766 עֶוֶל `evel (eh'-vel) n-e., עָוֶל `avel (aw'-vel)
(moral) evil., [from H5765], KJV: iniquity, perverseness, unjust(-ly), unrighteousness(-ly); wicked(-ness). , Root(s): H5765

“I threw you to the earth”

Revelation 12:7-9, “And there came to be fighting in the heaven: Miḵa’ĕl and his messengers fought against the dragon. And the dragon and his messengers fought, but they were not strong enough, nor was a place found for them in the heaven any longer. And the great dragon was thrown out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who leads all the world astray. He was thrown to the earth, and his messengers were thrown out with him."

There woul be no trial, no good an evil, if there wsa not the ability to go in rebellion. and as YHWH says, this is a trial for humankind.

Psalm 11:4, "יהוה is in His holy temple; יהוה throne is in heaven;His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men.”

John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”

On a side note, I understand that YHWH and Elohim are two different titles for God. And I am familiar with the fact that YHWH is used in Genesis before the name is said to be revealed in Exodus. The question is, because the account in Exodus states that that was when His name YHWH was first revealed, are the prior mentions of the name in Genesis insertions from a later date?

This view is held by many scholars, that Moses went back and aded in the name, however I disagree, for 3 reasons I can think of off the top of my head;

1. Elohim/Ylohim was used in the 1st chapter in Genesis/Bereshith because man had not yet been created and none knew His name, then we see after man is created by chapter 2 His name is used;

Genesis 2:7, "And יהוה Ylohim formed the man out of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils breath of lives. And the man became a living being."

Genesis 2:7, “וייצר יהוה אלהים את האדם עפר מן האדמה ויפח באפיו נשמת חיים ויהי האדם לנפש חיה”

This in iteself is not proof I fully admit, as it could have been "added in" yet it makes sense and when considered in the light of my next 2 reason I think it seems right.

2. Genesis 4:26, "And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. It was then that the Name of YHWH began to be invoked again."

So here it is not a case of "added in" but a literal stating of His name was called upon, but why "again" for it to be "invoked again" or "called upon again" it would have to have been called upon at one time and then not called upon. So this confirms that Adam knew his name as Aam was alive at this time, thus showing Genesis 2:7 was not added in but properly written

3. Genesis 12:7-8, "Then YHWH appeared to Abram, and said: To your descendants I will give this land. And he built an altar there to YHWH Who appeared to him.And he went from there to the hill east of Beth El, and he pitched his tent there; Beth El was to the west of him, and Ai was to the east. There he built an altar to YHWH, and there he prayed with the Name of YHWH."

So we see in Genesis 12:8 Abraham "prayed with the Name of YHWH" Why then do some translations say " by my name the "LORD" (YHWH - #H3068) I did not make myself known to them" Either there is a contradiction is Scripture or there is a translation error.

English Standard Version
Exodus 6:3, I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD I did not make myself known to them."

English Revised Version
Exodus 6:3, and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH I was not known to them."

Restored Name King James Version
Exodus 6:3, "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of El-Shaddai, but by my name יהוה was I not known to them?"

The Scriptures 2009
Exodus 6:3, “And I appeared to Aḇraham, to Yitsḥaq, and to Ya‛aqoḇ, as Ěl Shaddai. And by My Name, יהוה, was I not known to them?"

"by My Name, יהוה, was I not known to them?" This is the proper translation, in the original Hebrew text it is called a negative affirmation. Example: I could say, "If I had a cup of sugar I would give it to you" or I could state the same with a negative affirmation; "If I had a cup of sugar would I not give it to you?" May seem like a litle thing, but I don’t want any translation errors, and translation erros have led more analytical thinking people to think the Scriptures are not trustworthy because of bad translators not staying true to the true and original text.

I propose not, because a closer reading of Exodus strongly implies that the people of Midian were already familiar with the name before Moses, given that his father in law Jethro is described as a priest of YHWH.

This also lines up with archaeological finds as well. The earliest mentions of YHWH are in Egypt, Sinai, and in the Midian and Edom regions.

While in Egypt the children of Israyl lost their connection to YHWH, we see Adam, Seth, Enoch, Abraham and many more knew YHWH even by His name, yet in Egyptian captivity they forgot the ways of YHWH. So this would not be a surprise but rather it would make perfect sense.

The name Elohim is of Canaanite origin.

It's plausible that as these cultures met, a more complete understanding of Who God was started to develop, albeit with some issues here and there. Canaan was eager to simply incorporate Him into their pantheon, and Yisrael was content to reduce Him to their war deity.

In reality, He is so much bigger than either. And that's what Jesus shows us whe He came.

So I have done much study also on the word "elohim" and it is so old it is hard to say for sure, but what you say may be correct. I have a theory for you. This is a basic view of what I have found;

In ancient Hebrew there were no written vowels, thus a word can not start with a vowel, a vowel can be used in pronunciation, but an ancient Hebrew word can not start with a letter that is not in the written language, for "E" is a vowel and does not exist in ancient Hebrew, a word can not start with a letter that does not exist.

The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, page 674
'El. The oldest Semitic term for God is `el (corresponding to Akkadian ilu (m), Canaanite 'el or 'il, and Arabic 'el as an element in personal names). The etymology of the word is obscure. It is commonly thought that the term derived from a root `yl or `wl meaning "to be powerful."

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Hebrew Dictionary
410. 'el, ale; short. from 352; strength; as adj. mighty; espec. the Almighty (but used also of any deity):—God, (god), x goodly, x great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Cop. names in "-el."

352. ayil, ah'yil; from the same as 193; prop. strength; hence anything strong; spec. a chief (politically); also a ram (from his strength); a pilaster (as a strong support); an oak or other strong tree:—mighty (man), lintel, oak, post, ram, tree.

193. uwl, ool; from an unused root mean. to twist. i.e. (by impl.) be strong; the body (as being rolled together); also powerful:—mighty, strength.

This word is from the root word Yl or uwl, meaning to be strong like the base of an oak tree or large tree
So IMO Yl (El) or (Elohim) does not properly translate as "God" becaasue it means strength.

Now i think that since the children of Israyl were in Israyl then in egyptian captivity and at one time all people were togather in Babylon, before the confusion of languages but after Genesis 1 and 2, they all had some form of the word El, Yl, Eloah, Yloah, Elohim, Ylohim. I have more studies and theroies about the specifics but it is too much to get into here and IMO that is enough of a basis of the theory, now I dont mean this as a theory that does not have factual besis, but if something can not be proven without a doubt I will not call it fact in my eyes, but I believe this to be true.

Thoughts? I know it's a lot of speculating.

An amazing journey we are on seeking the Most High is it not? We all start in different places and are in different places yet we seek Him and His truth. I want ot say again I have much respect and love in Messiah for you brother, I mean it. and all this is literally barely scratching the surface. BUt YHWH is a rewarder to those who seek Him. I think it is key that we pray and put His word first so outside sources do not cloud out views and thuis put things in a false perspective, but rather letting Him guide through His word and will. May you be well brother!

 

[PS]

Again I believe understanding the situation is key in understadning what the wording means. I think this is the verse you had in mind?

I know I have you on ignore, but just to say, Rabbi Jesus used to teach other Rabbis in the Temple. He knew the law and the prophets better than anyone and speaking as a follower of Jesus I learn from the Master, partly because of who he was and partly because he did away with much of the law when he gave us the long awaited New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. (2Co 5:17-19)

You, my Jewish friend are 2017 years out of date. Sorry.

 

[Hizikyah]

I know I have you on ignore, but just to say, Rabbi Jesus used to teach other Rabbis in the Temple. He knew the law and the prophets better than anyone and speaking as a follower of Jesus I learn from the Master, partly because of who he was and partly because he did away with much of the law when he gave us the long awaited New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31.

Mat 23:8, “But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi, (master)’ for One is your Master, the Messiah, and you are all brothers.”

John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."

I know I have you on ignore, but just to say, Rabbi Jesus used to teach other Rabbis in the Temple. He knew the law and the prophets better than anyone and speaking as a follower of Jesus I learn from the Master, partly because of who he was and partly because he did away with much of the law when he gave us the long awaited New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31.

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. (2Co 5:17-19)

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

Zechariah 7:11-13, "But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which YHWH of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from YHWH of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says YHWH of hosts!"

Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master יהוה.”

Ezekiel 36:26-28, "A new heart, will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the heart of stone out of your flesh, and will give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments, and do them. And you will dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and you will be My people, and I will be your Father

Romans 7:25, “Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin.”

2 Corinthians 5:17, “Therefore, if anyone is in Messiah, he is a renewed creature – the old matters have passed away, see, all matters have become renewed!”

You, my Jewish friend are 2017 years out of date. Sorry.

SO because you have some twisted view and don't accept much Scripture Im somehow wrong... ohh and im not Jewish...

There is no such thing as out of date;

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

 

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Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

1. (Mat_5:17-18) Jesus’ relation to the law.

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”

a. Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets:
Jesus here begins a long discussion of the law, and wants to make it clear that He does not oppose the Law of Moses, but He will free it from the way the Pharisees and Scribes wrongly interpreted the law.

b. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill:
Jesus wants to make it clear that He has authority apart from the Law of Moses, but not in contradiction to it. Jesus added nothing to the law except one thing that no man had ever added to the law: perfect obedience. This is certainly one way Jesus came to fulfill the law.

c. One jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled:
The jot and the tittle were small punctuation marks in Hebrew writing. It is as if Jesus says, “Not one dot of an “i” or not one cross of a “t” will pass away till all is fulfilled. And indeed, Jesus did perfectly fulfill the law.

You are 2017 years behind the times because Jesus:-

i. Fulfilled the doctrinal teachings of the law in that He brought full revelation.

ii. Fulfilled the predictive prophecy of the law in that He is the Promised One, showing the reality behind the shadows.

iii. Fulfilled the ethical precepts of the law in that He fully obeyed them and He reinterpreted them in their truth.

(David Guzik)

 

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I seeyou cut Revelation 21:1 out of your quote of me..

1. (Mat_5:17-18) Jesus’ relation to the law.

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”

a. Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets:
Jesus here begins a long discussion of the law, and wants to make it clear that He does not oppose the Law of Moses, but He will free it from the way the Pharisees and Scribes wrongly interpreted the law.

b. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill:
Jesus wants to make it clear that He has authority apart from the Law of Moses, but not in contradiction to it. Jesus added nothing to the law except one thing that no man had ever added to the law: perfect obedience. This is certainly one way Jesus came to fulfill the law.

c. One jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled:
The jot and the tittle were small punctuation marks in Hebrew writing. It is as if Jesus says, “Not one dot of an “i” or not one cross of a “t” will pass away till all is fulfilled. And indeed, Jesus did perfectly fulfill the law.

You are 2017 years behind the times because Jesus:-

i. Fulfilled the doctrinal teachings of the law in that He brought full revelation.

ii. Fulfilled the predictive prophecy of the law in that He is the Promised One, showing the reality behind the shadows.

iii. Fulfilled the ethical precepts of the law in that He fully obeyed them and He reinterpreted them in their truth.

(David Guzik)

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

(Yahshua Messiah)

Has heaven and earth passed away?

Luke 24:44-46, “And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be fulfilled that were written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me. Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day.”

There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"

If fulfill means abolish, then all righteousness would have also been abolished here;

Matthew 3:15, “But יהושע answering, said to him, “Permit it now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfillrighteousness.” Then he permitted Him.”

“fulfill” is word #G4137 πληρόω pleroo (plee-ro'-ō) v., 1. to fully, completely fill., 2. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow)., 3. (figuratively) to fully supply, satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.
[from G4134], KJV: accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply, Root(s): G4134

Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done. Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.”

“fulfill” is word #G4137 πληρόω pleroo (plee-ro'-ō) v., 1. to fully, completely fill., 2. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow)., 3. (figuratively) to fully supply, satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc. [from G4134], KJV: accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply , Root(s): G4134

“destroy” is word #G2647 καταλύω kataluo (ka-ta-lï '-ō) v., 1. to loosen down (disintegrate)., 2. (by implication) to demolish., 3. (specially) to halt for the night. {literally or figuratively [from G2596 and G3089], KJV: destroy, dissolve, be guest, lodge, come to nought, overthrow, throw down, Root(s): G2596, G3089, See also: G2646

 

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The moral law is still in effect. It governs the whole society of the whole world .Not the just the world of a Jew or a Christian. .To a believer the eternal wage of sin will not be taken into account. Not one jot or tittle will be removed until the new heaven and earth appear.

Then the former things of this corrupted world will not be remember or ever come to mind . The law will not enter the new order.

Just as Moses used in a historically true parable typified as the law giver did not enter the Promised Land when he broke the commandment when he strike the Rock more than once with the rod for the rebellious.

A picture of the law striking our Rock Christ and the water of the gospel came out. Striking the Rock which typified Christ twice would be double jeopardy like crucifying the lord of glory over and over exposing him to public shame. .