He denies the validity of the OT in favor of "gnostic gospels". He freely admits this.
What a distortion. Now what exactly did I say?
Yes I was quite reactive having just read some vile stuff from the OT, things I never really thought about God before. God is Love, but then people will say it is love, giving cancer to children of the enemy? You stand by that? Really?? Is that the kind of person you are?
I question it, that's all.
I did say, maybe I just haven't got the OT yet, what is important about it? That was an open gesture for you to say something positive about it, and teach me something.
To me, Jesus was like taking the old book, and rewriting it into a better book, replacing law, with the law of Love.
But people who have issues with love in their life, will no doubt be against the teaching of love, as I see all too often in Christianity, over intellectual supremacy over 'the truth'. Jesus is the Truth, that's what matters.
Originally Posted by
pckts (in response to someone else)
The gnostics were a form of devil worshipers and secret society. They told followers they could achieve "Christ consciousness" by following their guidelines similar to Scientology today. They were like a group that wanted to take advantage of Christians with big egos by telling them they could become god, gnosticism itself is a term associated with achieving god "form" through knowledge.
They alter stories in The Bible, such as saying Jesus planned for Judas to betray him and that it was their plan together. A number of stories are altered to deceive their followers because they are a cult that abuses and manipulates with lies.
They also portray satan as the hero "The bringer of light (knowledge), and portray God as evil and controlling. Skull and Bones society worships the number 322, because of Genesis 3:22 where God says if they eat from the tree of life they will become "Gods like us". People throughout history have attempted to use this to manipulate others into believing they can become gods through knowledge to set them on a selflish, power lusting, and ego-driven path, acting as agents of satan in the process.
Another core belief is that satan in the old testament is somehow related to Christ in the new testament. They want to confuse you into believing or associating Christ with the adversary, to manipulate you into serving the adversary and doing his work. They convoluted and spin The Truth of The Bible to get you to worship the devil, and it's packaged nicely with a bow on top so many do not realize this.
Why are you attracted to gnosticism, outside of the promises of becoming a god and other worldly powers, do you doubt the literal word of The Bible? Do you think information was suppressed and that these gnostic gospels have "secret knowledge" that contradict it?
I will discuss this with you at length, I have nothing to do tonight. Don't fall for the deception, and I won't expect you to take my word for it, I'll provide whatever I can from the comfort of my chair and google.
mj007
What a load of absolute rubbish. I've studied the whole of the Gnostic scriptures and don't see any of these massive distortions you made. There are many archaic stories yes, many different versions of stories yes. "Stories" get it? That means that you are not having a different version of fact, you are having a different version of a story. And on top of that, other different stories.
My main interest in studying them, was I felt that the Bible wasn't covering everything about Jesus, so I went looking for more recordings of him, albeit from a different angle. It hasn't changed my view, only enhanced it.
It enhances your view, to see things from everyone's angle and 'make up your own mind'. It makes you a medieval rack specialist, to go around crying heresy and often using lies in doing so. Heresy is very much a political thing. I'm pretty sure we have moved on from such dark times. But many morons still live in the past. A bit like how gun owners saying they are standing up for something 200+ years ago (not milking it of course).
The Cathars for example, were thought of as the revival of Gnosticism. They had many good views, and many views you wouldn't agree with. They referred to the Roman Catholic's as Satan Worshippers (just like you are using). They were all cut down and burnt at the stake. What a lovely thing for a church of Christianity to do. So lovely. A church that places a God of Love at its centre, burns people at the stake. It's sick really. And yet would Christianity have reached so far without the ruthless propaganda of the RC Church? Probably not you know.
And yet if you are firmly Old Testament version of God, you will totally agree in cutting down the enemy. Which is no different from Islamic terrorism, except you aren't acting on it (albeit just words?).
I didn't know for example, God sent evil spirits to torment someone? God wanted tumours to affect all the men women and children of the enemy? Such dangerous views if you see this as truth rather than story-telling, on a more ancient version of God. Sound's extremely subjective (if you can observe intelligently) to the man experiencing God, or writing about God. It's the kind of thing which would justify going to war in God's name. And how many times does that happen??
I just read a massive contradiction in only a few chapters. God chose Saul to be king. God rejects Saul as king. God never changes his mind. lol
Or maybe I have not got to the point of the Old Testament yet. Maybe you are going to tell me that in contrast to the New Testament, these were devil worshippers? Because if you say it is all God, well tell me why the God of the OT and NT are different?? Can you explain that?
My God, is a God of Love. I don't know what yours is.
