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We, as Christians, are NOT meant to be close-minded and ‘holier-than-thou,’ but rather open-minded and quick to understand and love people who are different, for who they are. That’s who Christ was, and that’s how REAL Christians should aspire to be.
 

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Its not like homosexuality isnt deemed a nogo in the NT too...ppl love ignoring that
 
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Gay people didn't coin the phrase gay lifestyle, people who were against gays did.

Tell me what is our heterosexual lifestyle? I assume we have the same lifestyle because we are heterosexual?

Gay lives, straight lives. People have lives, and they are all different.

Lifestyle is an indirect judgement of something.

Refer to people as having lives, not as having lifestyles, unless you KNOW someone's 'personal' lifestyle. Eg. I don't like your lifestyle, you are drinking all the time, you don't want to work.

Don't put all gay people in a box.

I wonder how many movies you loved, which were directed by a gay, or had a gay actor/actress.
I wonder how many books you loved, which were written by a gay.
I wonder how much food at a restaurant you enjoyed, made up by the hands of a gay.
I wonder how many times someone was kind to you, and you did not know they were gay.
I wonder how many times someone changed your life with their words, and you did not know that they were gay.

It is about time that people could come out as gay, without fear of homophobic intolerance.

And at the same time, if people you never knew were gay, come out, then if you are against homosexuality, you can suddenly turn away from them proving your own hypocrisy, and yet not seeing it.
 

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they are in a box. it is a sinful lifestyle. same as a drunk. same as a thief. being gay is a sin. does not mean they are hell-bound. but, if they do not repent of that lifestyle, then they are..........
 

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We, as Christians, are NOT meant to be close-minded and ‘holier-than-thou,’ but rather open-minded and quick to understand and love people who are different, for who they are. That’s who Christ was, and that’s how REAL Christians should aspire to be.
Jesus came to change them not understand them. Jesus understood that they were sinners and unless they were changed they would perish. If you love them give them the gospel and express the necessity for their conversion.

Ac 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

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Jesus came to change them not understand them. Jesus understood that they were sinners and unless they were changed they would perish. Specifically homosexuals, or all of us? If you love them give them the gospel and express the necessity for their conversion. If you love people, be accepting and tolerant of their different ways. You can only influence by the example of your own fruits, what is right and good. I am never going to discount EVERY good fruit of a person, because I have put them in a box.

It is by becoming friends with people, rather than in the secret of your mind 'seeing them as the enemy', that you are more able to show them what is good, and influence in a way that they can make their own choice.

They say being gay is a choice. So tell me, do you remember the time when you were trying to decide whether you are gay or straight? Or is it that you were just never attracted to men, and there was no choice?

What I struggle with, is all the evidence that gay people were born gay. They were never naturally interested in the opposite sex.

But then there is sexual distortion, perversion or deviance. These exist regardless of being heterosexual or gay. Why is it that people who are against gays, rarely EVER talk about heterosexual problems?

It's almost as if, being heterosexual means you never commit any sexual sin, ever. But hey, those gays, look at those animals!


Ac 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

For the cause of Christ
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Yes, regardless of orientation, we all sin, and we all have reasons to repent.

Lu 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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People are going to do what they want to do. It's just human nature. The more you try to pressure them to stop whatever it is they're doing that you don't like them the more they are going to push back against you. Pray for them and show them kindness that's really about all you can do. I find it odd how Christians have such a weird obsession with homosexuality. There are multiple other things to be up in arms about. Like preachers pimping the gospel to make money. By no means am I saying all preachers are Crooks but I've seen way too many of them particularly in the charismatic movement.. but I suppose that's another topic
 
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We, as Christians, are NOT meant to be close-minded and ‘holier-than-thou,’ but rather open-minded and quick to understand and love people who are different, for who they are. That’s who Christ was, and that’s how REAL Christians should aspire to be.

I'm not sure there is a nice way to say this,but your understanding of Scripture is very immature. Jesus did not come to leave any of us in our sin. Jesus was not "open minded",not in the least.Jesus was the one who said "go sin no more lest something worse comes upon you". Thats not open minded,Jesus was never open minded about sin.Ever.Did He forgive sin when it was repented of? By all means. Did He love the sinner? He certainly did.But He did not leave them in sin and "accept their differences".No,He did not do that in any way.

 
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People are going to do what they want to do. It's just human nature. The more you try to pressure them to stop whatever it is they're doing that you don't like them the more they are going to push back against you. Pray for them and show them kindness that's really about all you can do. I find it odd how Christians have such a weird obsession with homosexuality. There are multiple other things to be up in arms about. Like preachers pimping the gospel to make money. By no means am I saying all preachers are Crooks but I've seen way too many of them particularly in the charismatic movement.. but I suppose that's another topic



​ Think about this,what did the disciples preach that got them thrown into prison? Do you think they could preach in the streets of NY today and not be in jail? If not,why not?
 
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ah yes.

Star Trek

as real as it gets

guess God is also religious...must be why there is no mention of Him on Star Trek...which is fiction by the way

the Bible does not tell us to hate anyone

but it does tell us that God hates liars (proverbs), will destroy homosexuals (Sodom and Gomorrah) and says this about heaven:

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But to the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death Revelation 21:8[/FONT]

[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]if I were not a Christian and did not believe the Bible, I do think I would be casual in my attitude...I would not be inclined towards my own sex, but I would probably not give 2 whoops about what all people choose to do as long as they did not try it with me haha

its no wonder we are told to renew our minds with the word of God. people are pretty much depraved in their thought patterns without the Holy Spirit
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I'm not sure there is a nice way to say this,but your understanding of Scripture is very immature. Jesus did not come to leave any of us in our sin. Jesus was not "open minded",not in the least.Jesus was the one who said "go sin no more lest something worse comes upon you". Thats not open minded,Jesus was never open minded about sin.Ever.Did He forgive sin when it was repented of? By all means. Did He love the sinner? He certainly did.But He did not leave them in sin and "accept their differences".No,He did not do that in any way.
I whole heartedly agree with you girl. Remember the woman who was caught in the very act of adultery? He asked her if any one had condemned her, she Said, No man, Lord. And you know what Jesus's reply was to her? Neither do I. Go and sin no more! And she didn't, from that very moment. Jesus loved this woman, and He understood she had fleshly desires, but He also changed her heart. When you think about the miracles and parables that Jesus spoke of, yes there is a physical sense to it and reality sense, but He goes into in the heart. When Christ enters into your heart, CHANGE HAPPENS. Same thing can be done with those who live this kind of lifestyle and support it. I don't condemn, but I love them and pray for them, and if the opportunity arises where one opens the door for me to share my testimony in Christ Jesus, I'm taking that door, and if they do not agree, then that's on them, not me, I don't care what the public or the world views me as.

Matthew 10:28
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


When we stand up for our Lord, He stands up for us. Remember Stephen? He could see Jesus standing for him at the right hand of God. Yet they still stoned him for his beliefs. That's happening now in this day and age, but not in the physical sense, but it's happening, right under our noses. We must take a stand for Christ folks.
 
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oh

and posting cartoons to illustrate how much God is just like us?

not working :p








God's law vs Man's law ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
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No one here that I know has said any sin can't be forgiven,other than blasphemy. I don't know anyone here who has said they hate gays. But the Bible convicts sinners. God doesn't want us feeling comfortable with sin.Conviction makes us uncomfortable,even angry,but its what is needed for us to repent and to change. Preachers today are scared to death to preach a convicting sermon lest they offend someone. The church has lost its salt. We do everything we can not to offend,and the Bible says the truth is an offence and a stumbling block.




The popular gospel of this day,is the laughing stock of hell; it dare neither damn the sinner,nor sanctify the saint.

Catherine Booth
 

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and posting cartoons to illustrate how much God is just like us?

not working :p








God's law vs Man's law ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I've already covered this but the Constitution must be upheld. If you can override the Constitution to fit your own agenda then whats to stop someone else from doing the same thing to you? You don't want to set that precedent
 

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No one here that I know has said any sin can't be forgiven,other than blasphemy. I don't know anyone here who has said they hate gays. But the Bible convicts sinners. God doesn't want us feeling comfortable with sin.Conviction makes us uncomfortable,even angry,but its what is needed for us to repent and to change. Preachers today are scared to death to preach a convicting sermon lest they offend someone. The church has lost its salt. We do everything we can not to offend,and the Bible says the truth is an offence and a stumbling block.




The popular gospel of this day,is the laughing stock of hell; it dare neither damn the sinner,nor sanctify the saint.

Catherine Booth
Amen sis! I'm so thankful I found the church that I am a member of now. It's a small country church, but the people there truly exhibit the fruits of the Spirit, and they aren't afraid to tell you about Jesus and what He can do for you, and our pastor is old school, he isn't gonna sugar coat a message, he brings it! And that's the kind of preaching I like, bring me the truth from God's word! Don't sugar coat with the good things you take away from it. You can have a church and have many members in it, thousands, but if you're not teaching directly from the Word of God and preaching the truth, then it's dead, seriously. God bless all the pastors and preachers who preach the truth without watering down their messages.
 
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I've already covered this but the Constitution must be upheld. If you can override the Constitution to fit your own agenda then whats to stop someone else from doing the same thing to you? You don't want to set that precedent
Homosexuality was considered a perversion,that is why the right to marry was not given to gays. Now that it has been "normalized" people want rights. And I'm telling you that we have opened a floodgate that will not be closed.Marriage is no longer sacred. The family is no longer sacred. Ask Rome how this worked out for them...