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MichaelOwen

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as a Christian then, you say that marriage is between two adults?

the Bible defines it as between a man and woman

the fact that two homosexuals cannot reproduce is evidence of it's ungodly source

ALL that God created in the beginning, He told to reproduce after it's kind

marriage is more than a legal contract in the eyes of God

it is also considered to be a metaphor of Christ and the church
Amen yes ma'am!!!
 

Billyd

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Except for the fact that marriage predates Christianity.
By that logic I guess atheists can't get married.
Marriage is a legal contract between two adults. That's why when you're married at the courthouse they give you the option to include God in your wedding vows.
"There is only one marriage recognized by God."

All others are "civil unions", called marriage by governments. You can dance around it all you want to.

I really pray that yours is a marriage recognized by God.
 
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Time out! You are saying that marriage predates Christianity......when THAT in of itself is a false statement. Do you not read Genesis and do you not know that John 1 starts off that In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.......We know that Christ, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one, even Christ himself said to His disciples, If the world hate you, remember that it first hated me. Christ has been around since the beginning of time. God created the union between a MAN and a WOMAN, that marriage predates EVERYTHING else that is an abomination under God, and that marriage and union is still the only way God will honor. I would seriously do some studying, and I'm not talking about worldly studies either....READ YOUR BIBLE SIR
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some really Spiritual understanding stated here...
 

notuptome

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Except for the fact that marriage predates Christianity.
By that logic I guess atheists can't get married.
Marriage is a legal contract between two adults. That's why when you're married at the courthouse they give you the option to include God in your wedding vows.
So did you?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Dude653

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Time out! You are saying that marriage predates Christianity......when THAT in of itself is a false statement. Do you not read Genesis and do you not know that John 1 starts off that In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.......We know that Christ, the Father and the Holy Spirit are one, even Christ himself said to His disciples, If the world hate you, remember that it first hated me. Christ has been around since the beginning of time. God created the union between a MAN and a WOMAN, that marriage predates EVERYTHING else that is an abomination under God, and that marriage and union is still the only way God will honor. I would seriously do some studying, and I'm not talking about worldly studies either....READ YOUR BIBLE SIR
Christianity is only about 2,000 years old. The Old Testament is Judaism. That's why people had multiple wives
 
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Ellsworth1943

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

1st ammendment

The United States is secular therefore the bible cannot be used as the basis for government laws and policy. Since we only have your version of events I have to question what else was said or what happened before or after. They were actually correct in that the bible cannot be used as a basis for law, so I fail to see what your basis was for objection. Regardless I have a hard time believing you just said your piece and were escorted out when you politely objected to their response. Were you aggressive? Shouting other people down? Me thinks maybe.

The only place her I mostly have your back is Wal-Mart. If you were having a private conversation and some guy jumped in just because he didn't like your views he was absolutely in the wrong. If you were all escorted out then I imagine your error was getting into a shouting match. You should have just ignored him and let him get the heat for causing trouble.

Keep in mind Wal-Mart is not a free speech zone and have no requirements by law to serve anyone. Were I the manager I would have asked the guy who instigated it to leave. But then again I am also very libertarian socially and don't care what other believe enough to ask them to leave.
I was never aggressive nor did I shout down others. I never resisted the officer who escorted me out.
I simple wanted the 5 minutes allotted to me, but that was not granted. They violated my 1st amendment right by not allowing me to express my religious belief.

You say that Walmart has no requirement to serve me, but a Christian baker can not refuse to make a wedding cake for homosexual marriage.
I guess to refuse on religious grounds is against the law, but any non religious reason is OK. I guess you have no problem with such a double standard, but I do.

I do not make it a point to confront people, but if given the opportunity to speak I will. And it is only proper to explain what I base my belief or objection on. BUT, no, no, you can not use the Bible as the basis of your belief in a public meeting.

I do not hate homosexuals nor anyone else, but I hate their sin.
 
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People are going to do what they want to do. It's just human nature. The more you try to pressure them to stop whatever it is they're doing that you don't like them the more they are going to push back against you. Pray for them and show them kindness that's really about all you can do. I find it odd how Christians have such a weird obsession with homosexuality. There are multiple other things to be up in arms about. Like preachers pimping the gospel to make money. By no means am I saying all preachers are Crooks but I've seen way too many of them particularly in the charismatic movement.. but I suppose that's another topic
I find it odd that some on this forum are so quick to defend homosexual rights and attack those who do not.
They are the ones with a WEIRD obsession with homosexuality.
 
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People are going to do what they want to do. It's just human nature. The more you try to pressure them to stop whatever it is they're doing that you don't like them the more they are going to push back against you. Pray for them and show them kindness that's really about all you can do. I find it odd how Christians have such a weird obsession with homosexuality. There are multiple other things to be up in arms about. Like preachers pimping the gospel to make money. By no means am I saying all preachers are Crooks but I've seen way too many of them particularly in the charismatic movement.. but I suppose that's another topic
Don't people always say this when homosexuality is the topic? People always seem to want to divert everyone's attention to some other sin when homosexuality is being discussed. But when some other sin is being discussed (since other sins are discussed, contrary to your subtle implication), nobody ever says, "there are other sins to worry about, like homosexuality".

When God says that homosexuality is an abomination, make sure you personally let Him know that there are other things to be up in arms about. Go ahead and try to divert God's attention too, because He's "up in arms". Good luck with that.

Meanwhile, I'll care about everything that God cares about, including the things that the world wishes He didn't care about. I support any Christian who does so as well and doesn't cower under progressiveness and political correctness.

Be the salt, why don't cha.
 
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Don't people always say this when homosexuality is the topic? People always seem to want to divert everyone's attention to some other sin when homosexuality is being discussed. But when some other sin is being discussed (since other sins are discussed, contrary to your subtle implication), nobody ever says, "there are other sins to worry about, like homosexuality".

When God says that homosexuality is an abomination, make sure you personally let Him know that there are other things to be up in arms about. Go ahead and try to divert God's attention too, because He's "up in arms". Good luck with that.

Meanwhile, I'll care about everything that God cares about, including the things that the world wishes He didn't care about. I support any Christian who does so as well and doesn't cower under progressiveness and political correctness.

Be the salt, why don't cha.
Wow. Great post, very biblical! God bless!
 
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I was never aggressive nor did I shout down others. I never resisted the officer who escorted me out.
I simple wanted the 5 minutes allotted to me, but that was not granted. They violated my 1st amendment right by not allowing me to express my religious belief.

You say that Walmart has no requirement to serve me, but a Christian baker can not refuse to make a wedding cake for homosexual marriage.
I guess to refuse on religious grounds is against the law, but any non religious reason is OK. I guess you have no problem with such a double standard, but I do.

I do not make it a point to confront people, but if given the opportunity to speak I will. And it is only proper to explain what I base my belief or objection on. BUT, no, no, you can not use the Bible as the basis of your belief in a public meeting.

I do not hate homosexuals nor anyone else, but I hate their sin.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Reaction_formation

Under the law a business cannot discriminate based on race, religion or sexual orientation. In other words they can't refuse to serve you based on those factors.

Now, in my ideal world a business can serve or not serve whoever they like for whatever reason they like. They can then face the social and financial consequences if they choose to discriminate. Unfortunately, as we observed after Jim Crow laws were overturned, that ideal is not practical if every single business refuses service.

Other than that I only have your account of what happened at these meetings. I have a hard time believing you were escorted out for no reason then expressing your beliefs. It doesn't make sense and I suspect there is more to the story.
 

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Hmmm ive seen blessed marriages between non christian heteros .....God doesnt bless homo marriages....which is one reason they cant have children
Kids are a blessing in the marriage.
Doesnt all kinda explain itself
 

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Hmmm ive seen blessed marriages between non christian heteros .....God doesnt bless homo marriages....which is one reason they cant have children
Kids are a blessing in the marriage.
Doesnt all kinda explain itself
Interesting point about having children and God created ADAM and EVE, not Adam and Steve. ;)
 
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Here is some interesting information:

Indeed, “abomination” itself is an inexact translation, used by the King James and other biblical translations for multiple terms. The KJV uses the word twenty-six times to refer to sheketz, an analogous term to toevah which refers usually to idolatry and occasionally to other taboos such as forbidden animals (Lev. 11:10-13). Likewise, Leviticus 7:18 describes leftover sacrificial meat as pigul—but King James again says “abomination.” And 1 Samuel 13:4, speaking of King Saul and the Philistines, uses the term nivash, yet again rendered as “abomination.” And so on, including 1 Kings 11:5-7, 2 Kings 23:13, Isaiah 66:17, Daniel 11:31, Daniel 12:11 (sheketz), and many more.

The KJV even uses “abomination” six times in translation of New Testament texts (Matthew 24:15, Mark 13:14, Luke 16:15, and Revelation 17:4-5, 21:27). All these biblical terms refer to different, albeit similar, violations, yet the umbrella term “abomination” elides any distinction between them. As a result, the KJV lists exactly 150 occurrences of the term “abomination,” though only 103 of them translate toevah.

Now, if by “abomination,” the King James means a cultural prohibition—something which a particular culture abhors but another culture enjoys—then the term makes sense. But in common parlance, the term has come to mean much more than that. Today, it connotes something horrible, something contrary to the order of nature itself, or God’s plan, or the institution of the family, or whatever. It is this malleability of meaning, and its close association with disgust, that makes “abomination” a particularly abominable word to use. The term implies that homosexuality has no place under the sun (despite its presence in over 300 animal species), and that it is an abomination against the Divine order itself. Again, toevah is not a good thing—but it doesn’t mean all of that.

Progressive religionists must stop using the word “abomination” to refer to toevah. The word plays into the hands of fundamentalists on the one hand, and anti-religious zealots on the other, both of whom want to depict the Bible as virulently and centrally concerned with the “unnatural” acts of gays and lesbians. In fact, toevah is mostly about idolatry, and male homosexual behavior is only as abominable as remarriage or not keeping kosher. Whenever we use the word “abomination” we are perpetuating the misunderstanding of biblical text and the religious persecution of LGBT people.
 
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Interesting point about having children and God created ADAM and EVE, not Adam and Steve. ;)
So people named Steve don't actually exist?

:p
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Christianity is only about 2,000 years old. The Old Testament is Judaism. That's why people had multiple wives

no

the OT is Judaisim?

so we have 2 different Gods?

it gets worse the more you try to explain yourself

you can't make this stuff up

wakie do dah there dude! God promised Jesus as He was expelling Adam and Eve from the garden

check it out. it's in the Bible. the Old Testament. beginning of the book. Genesis I believe. chapter 3 or a little later

people had multiple wives...well actually men...because they copied the pagan nations around them

it was never God's plan. He created one and one and took Eve from Adam's side....not his big toe
 
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kaylagrl

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Christianity is only about 2,000 years old. The Old Testament is Judaism. That's why people had multiple wives

Nothing predates God who made marriage sacred in the first place.Argument over.
 
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kaylagrl

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Here is some interesting information:

Indeed, “abomination” itself is an inexact translation, used by the King James and other biblical translations for multiple terms. The KJV uses the word twenty-six times to refer to sheketz, an analogous term to toevah which refers usually to idolatry and occasionally to other taboos such as forbidden animals (Lev. 11:10-13). Likewise, Leviticus 7:18 describes leftover sacrificial meat as pigul—but King James again says “abomination.” And 1 Samuel 13:4, speaking of King Saul and the Philistines, uses the term nivash, yet again rendered as “abomination.” And so on, including 1 Kings 11:5-7, 2 Kings 23:13, Isaiah 66:17, Daniel 11:31, Daniel 12:11 (sheketz), and many more.

The KJV even uses “abomination” six times in translation of New Testament texts (Matthew 24:15, Mark 13:14, Luke 16:15, and Revelation 17:4-5, 21:27). All these biblical terms refer to different, albeit similar, violations, yet the umbrella term “abomination” elides any distinction between them. As a result, the KJV lists exactly 150 occurrences of the term “abomination,” though only 103 of them translate toevah.

Now, if by “abomination,” the King James means a cultural prohibition—something which a particular culture abhors but another culture enjoys—then the term makes sense. But in common parlance, the term has come to mean much more than that. Today, it connotes something horrible, something contrary to the order of nature itself, or God’s plan, or the institution of the family, or whatever. It is this malleability of meaning, and its close association with disgust, that makes “abomination” a particularly abominable word to use. The term implies that homosexuality has no place under the sun (despite its presence in over 300 animal species), and that it is an abomination against the Divine order itself. Again, toevah is not a good thing—but it doesn’t mean all of that.

Progressive religionists must stop using the word “abomination” to refer to toevah. The word plays into the hands of fundamentalists on the one hand, and anti-religious zealots on the other, both of whom want to depict the Bible as virulently and centrally concerned with the “unnatural” acts of gays and lesbians. In fact, toevah is mostly about idolatry, and male homosexual behavior is only as abominable as remarriage or not keeping kosher. Whenever we use the word “abomination” we are perpetuating the misunderstanding of biblical text and the religious persecution of LGBT people.



​Homosexuality was punishable by death,I'd say that closes the book on it,by whatever name you choose to use its a perversion and sin.