Australians back same-sex marriage at polls; Parliament plans December vote

[Demi777]

I think i will start giving out free laxatives to liberals so the things they speak come out where it belongs.

 

[kaylagrl]

Threatening a non-believer with hell is like telling them you're going to summon Harry Potter or something. Just treat them with kindness and let them see God in you.
Some Evangelical types are aggressive and overbearing and that just pushes people further away.
Like those Jehovah's Witnesses who knock on your door. I guess their heart is in the right place but they can be annoying.

Im sorry,you're wrong. People can take the truth more than you think they can. Ive seen it in 20yrs of ministry,people respond to the gospel.Many will come to the alter and say they did not know they were sinning,they did not know what they were doing was wrong.Some will walk away,but they keep that seed in their heart. Our job is to sow the seed.

 

[willfollowsGod]

Um... this re-enforces don't judge others. I fail to see how this means anything else. Please feel free to explain.

This does not re-enforce do not judge others (unless you interpret it based on today's mores instead of biblical truth), it is referring to those who are hypocrites not those who are Christians who follow Jesus Christ, love their neighbor as themselves, and lovingly confront others who are in the wrong like John the Baptist did with Herod the tetrarch regarding his unlawful wife, Jesus confronted the Pharisees with their hypocrisy, Paul confronted the church at Corinth from going away from the teaching that he gave them when he was with them for many years, Nathan confronted David, etc. Those saying that homosexuality is a sin and do not hate others (contrary to you and dude, real Christians do not force their beliefs on anyone (none of them in this chat are doing that they are telling the truth from the Bible and those who hear it some will accept and some will not). Christians cannot accept homosexual marriage as a normal, God-honoring, etc form of marriage and be forced to make a homosexual wedding cake that the couple could get at any other bakery instead of a bakery founded on Christian values. You do not seem to get it and it seems like nothing I will say or anyone else says will make you understand it and our side. I understand your side and you are deceived by the spirit of this world, Satan and your flesh. You along with Dude have a caricature of Christians which is not true, not biblical, and does not reflect reality (sadly there are people who call themselves Christians but they are not, even Jesus refers to them). So stop hating us and putting Christians into a box, when if you read the Bible Christians follow what God says and not what the world says. Even though the covenants have changed and we are now in the time of grace and love in Jesus Christ instead of abiding by the law as in the Old Testament. Every Christian who owns a business should be allowed to follow their Christian beliefs that means if they do not support homosexuality, they should not be forced, sued, hated, etc to make a homosexual wedding cake or else, they should have freedom of expression, and freedom to reject certain services on moral and biblical grounds. So if a Christian wants to make that cake, then they can do it. If they do not want to, then they don't have to make it. Sadly you along with those who agree with you claim that such denial of service is like the Jim Crow laws, which is not. Those laws were based on race and color of skin and not sinful, sexual proclivities that God opposes and does not support or parade around with evil pride. Sexual orientation can change contrary to the world and you. Thanks. God bless.

 

[Zi]

Our job is to live holy. It is not everyone's job to sow seed. HE gave SOME to be... Not everyone is equipped.

That's like saying I'm on the basketball team so I can guard if I want to..

Everything has order..

Is that not obvious seeing that the loudest Christians have not won anyone but have made us the enemy?

It's not about not wanting to or agreement with what they do. It's knowing our place.

Im sorry,you're wrong. People can take the truth more than you think they can. Ive seen it in 20yrs of ministry,people respond to the gospel.Many will come to the alter and say they did not know they were sinning,they did not know what they were doing was wrong.Some will walk away,but they keep that seed in their heart. Our job is to sow the seed.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Here is some interesting information:

Indeed, “abomination” itself is an inexact translation, used by the King James and other biblical translations for multiple terms. The KJV uses the word twenty-six times to refer to sheketz, an analogous term to toevah which refers usually to idolatry and occasionally to other taboos such as forbidden animals (Lev. 11:10-13). Likewise, Leviticus 7:18 describes leftover sacrificial meat as pigul—but King James again says “abomination.” And 1 Samuel 13:4, speaking of King Saul and the Philistines, uses the term nivash, yet again rendered as “abomination.” And so on, including 1 Kings 11:5-7, 2 Kings 23:13, Isaiah 66:17, Daniel 11:31, Daniel 12:11 (sheketz), and many more.

The KJV even uses “abomination” six times in translation of New Testament texts (Matthew 24:15, Mark 13:14, Luke 16:15, and Revelation 17:4-5, 21:27). All these biblical terms refer to different, albeit similar, violations, yet the umbrella term “abomination” elides any distinction between them. As a result, the KJV lists exactly 150 occurrences of the term “abomination,” though only 103 of them translate toevah.

Now, if by “abomination,” the King James means a cultural prohibition—something which a particular culture abhors but another culture enjoys—then the term makes sense. But in common parlance, the term has come to mean much more than that. Today, it connotes something horrible, something contrary to the order of nature itself, or God’s plan, or the institution of the family, or whatever. It is this malleability of meaning, and its close association with disgust, that makes “abomination” a particularly abominable word to use. The term implies that homosexuality has no place under the sun (despite its presence in over 300 animal species), and that it is an abomination against the Divine order itself. Again, toevah is not a good thing—but it doesn’t mean all of that.

Progressive religionists must stop using the word “abomination” to refer to toevah. The word plays into the hands of fundamentalists on the one hand, and anti-religious zealots on the other, both of whom want to depict the Bible as virulently and centrally concerned with the “unnatural” acts of gays and lesbians. In fact, toevah is mostly about idolatry, and male homosexual behavior is only as abominable as remarriage or not keeping kosher. Whenever we use the word “abomination” we are perpetuating the misunderstanding of biblical text and the religious persecution of LGBT people.

oh good

now we know what USC has to say

that's ok. I wouldn't have sourced that either.

but let's do it anyway....

 

[7seasrekeyed]

​Homosexuality was punishable by death,I'd say that closes the book on it,by whatever name you choose to use its a perversion and sin.

he may have been hesitant to mention University of Southern California as the source for this wisdom

 

[gb9]

Im sorry,you're wrong. People can take the truth more than you think they can. Ive seen it in 20yrs of ministry,people respond to the gospel.Many will come to the alter and say they did not know they were sinning,they did not know what they were doing was wrong.Some will walk away,but they keep that seed in their heart. Our job is to sow the seed.

this is role reversal for me, normally, I agree with you and not so much with dude. but, in this instance, I gotta go with him. I live in a college town, and the young folks, most of them, will laugh at you, or dismiss you as a religious nut if you talk about hell to start a conversation. I am not in any way discounting what you said, but that is not going to be the case in all situations.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

It is crucial to understand that Jesus fulfilled the Law (Matthew 5:17–18). Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the end of the Law. Ephesians 2:15 says that Jesus set aside the Law with its commands and regulations. Galatians 3:25 says, now that faith has come, we are no longer under the guardianship of the Law. The civil and ceremonial aspects of the Old Testament Law were for an earlier time. The Law’s purposewas completed with the perfect and complete sacrifice of Jesus Christ. So, no, the Bible does not command that homosexuals should be put to death in this day and age.

Also important to understand is that the civil laws within the Mosaic Law were meant for Israel under a theocracy. God’s chosen people, living in the Promised Land, following God as their King, were to adhere to a system of civil laws with divinely prescribed punishments. The priests taught the laws, the rulers enforced the laws, and the judges meted out punishments as necessary. The rule of Leviticus 20:13, “They are to be put to death,” was given to duly appointed government officials, not to ordinary citizens or vigilantes. The civil laws of the Old Testament were never intended to apply to other cultures or other times. There’s a reason why the nightclub attacker was not Jewish or Christian. Jews and Christians understand the intent and limits of the Old Covenant Law. By contrast, the Koran does not qualify its command to kill homosexuals, and many Muslims see that command as enforceable today.


For someone who has shown an anti-Muslim stance on here, you appear to be more in line with their teaching than the teachings of Jesus.

Like I have said before, it seems to me that people use the OT, when it condones either violence, hatred, judgement (otherwise known as fear/phobia) against X.

Which time do you live in, OT times BC, or NT times AD?

ha

California voted in favor of defining marriage as between one man and one woman

and then the confused liberal judges considered this and decided that people are just fodder for the workplace and so they ignored the will of the people, struck down the vote and booted any democratic process to the curb

yay

but wait until actual communism takes over

won't be so pretty then



read all about it

however not advised if you are not versed in the art of untangling double speak and hogwash the size of a plate of spaghetti big enough to feed the whole of Milan during the festival of 'make my spaghetti a double and run the sauce off the plate'

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Like I have said before, it seems to me that people use the OT, when it condones either violence, hatred, judgement (otherwise known as fear/phobia) against X.

Which time do you live in, OT times BC, or NT times AD?

don't read Revelation

it could upset you

 

[kaylagrl]

Our job is to live holy. It is not everyone's job to sow seed. HE gave SOME to be... Not everyone is equipped.

That's like saying I'm on the basketball team so I can guard if I want to..

Everything has order..

Is that not obvious seeing that the loudest Christians have not won anyone but have made us the enemy?

It's not about not wanting to or agreement with what they do. It's knowing our place.

Our job as a Christian is to share the Good News.That is every single Christians job.We have the truth,we have the light. You don't know who has been won to Christ until the end. The Bible tells us to share the gospel,all of us. Not everyone is a preacher/evangelist,no,but each person is commanded to share the Good News.


Rom. 10- As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”


Matthew 9:37-38 Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field.”

Mark 16:15-16 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

 

[kaylagrl]

he may have been hesitant to mention University of Southern California as the source for this wisdom

Good catch. smh Its no wonder the church is in the mess its in.

 

[kaylagrl]

this is role reversal for me, normally, I agree with you and not so much with dude. but, in this instance, I gotta go with him. I live in a college town, and the young folks, most of them, will laugh at you, or dismiss you as a religious nut if you talk about hell to start a conversation. I am not in any way discounting what you said, but that is not going to be the case in all situations.

Brother,I respect you greatly.We need to understand that a lot more persecution than being laughed at and called nuts is headed our way.As I said,you plant the seed.Yes,they may call you crazy and laugh at you.But when they are alone and the chips are down they may just remember that crazy idiot that told them God loves them,He has a better way for them.

I always share stories,skip it if you don't care to hear it.My father worked with a man that was belligerent.No one could speak to him,he was always ready for a fight. People kept their distance because he was known as a man who could fight. But my father talked to him about the Lord.One night my father got a call.It was his co-worker.He said his wife had just left him and he was sitting on the bed with a gun tucked under his chin.He said "I thought about you and decided to give you a call".My father jumped out of bed and went to that mans house.That was years ago and today that man is saved,his wife came back and was saved and they have their family again.Don't sell God so short.The Bible says His word will not return void.Even if it looks like you didn't hit the mark,you never know.You may receive that call through the night and see someone completely changed and set free.

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

What many Christians fail to understand is there's a difference between believing and forcing others to believe as well.. not everyone is going to follow the Bible and that's their choice. Not my concern

Aren't you glad someone thought it was their concern to share the Gospel with you? Why wouldn't you want to share it with someone else?

"Minding your business" and saying it's "not your concern" when it comes to a person's soul is just callous. Jesus could have minded his own business too. None of us had to be God's concern. He literally owes us nothing, but He gave everything. He even gave His Spirit to dwell in us. And after all that, some of us still find a reason to hem and haw about telling folks. Really? It's not even like we have to do the saving; God does that. Just tell somebody.

I'm glad the people in my life who witnessed to me in one way or another did not mind their own business and considered my soul their concern.

God has done so much for us with Jesus, even while we were sinners; the least we could do is find it our concern to tell somebody.

 

[Dude653]

Aren't you glad someone thought it was their concern to share the Gospel with you? Why wouldn't you want to share it with someone else?

"Minding your business" and saying it's "not your concern" when it comes to a person's soul is just callous. Jesus could have minded his own business too. None of us had to be God's concern. He literally owes us nothing, but He gave everything. He even gave His Spirit to dwell in us. And after all that, some of us still find a reason to hem and haw about telling folks. Really? It's not even like we have to do the saving; God does that. Just tell somebody.

I'm glad the people in my life who witnessed to me in one way or another did not mind their own business and considered my soul their concern.

God has done so much for us with Jesus, even while we were sinners; the least we could do is find it our concern to tell somebody.

But most of the Evangelical types are so pushy and overbearing that all they are doing is pushing people further away

 

[7seasrekeyed]

But most of the Evangelical types are so pushy and overbearing that all they are doing is pushing people further away

you know what all your excuses begin to sound like?

excuses LOL!

 

[kaylagrl]

But most of the Evangelical types are so pushy and overbearing that all they are doing is pushing people further away

I am an "evangelical type",Im not sure what type you are. And you're making a pretty broad assumption there Dude. Ive been in thousands of churches in the States and Canada and I can tell you that there are people coming to the Lord in evangelical churches.To me,the bigger problem I saw inmy travels was apathetic,liberal Christians who would rather argue about what music to sing then reach the lost.The Bible says the truth will set you free. But it can't if you refuse to tell them because you might offend them.

 

[Society]

​Homosexuality was punishable by death,I'd say that closes the book on it,by whatever name you choose to use its a perversion and sin.

So was gathering firewood on the Sabbath:

[h=1]Numbers 15:32-36[/h][h=3]Penalty for Violating the Sabbath[/h][FONT=&quot]32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.[/FONT]

 

[oldethennew]

by your anti=posts, it would be obvious that your 'preference' goes
against Jesus Words...

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

So was gathering firewood on the Sabbath:

[h=1]Numbers 15:32-36[/h][h=3]Penalty for Violating the Sabbath[/h][FONT=&quot]32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.[/FONT]

Another diversion attempt.

What is it about homosexuality that makes people want to talk about all the sins that aren't homosexuality? Why does this specific sin always trigger the "distract" response in so many people? I have never seen people so eager to spout out a list of sins and Mosaic laws as they are when homosexuality is even mentioned--and of course, homosexuality is never included in that eagerly regurgitated list.

People with otherwise normal attention spans all of a sudden, for some reason, can not focus on the topic at hand if it's homosexuality.

Can anyone help me understand that?

 

[mj007]

Yeh, I can help explain that.

What do you love about homosexual people? I mean from a personal angle? Of course if you are sinless, you don't have to answer that question...

Another diversion attempt.

What is it about homosexuality that makes people want to talk about all the sins that aren't homosexuality? Why does this specific sin always trigger the "distract" response in so many people? I have never seen people so eager to spout out a list of sins and Mosaic laws as they are when homosexuality is even mentioned--and of course, homosexuality is never included in that eagerly regurgitated list.

People with otherwise normal attention spans all of a sudden, for some reason, can not focus on the topic at hand if it's homosexuality.

Can anyone help me understand that?