Sabbath

[Hizikyah]

phil36,
re: "...the first Christians used Sunday as their day of rest in remembrance of the resurrection."


Just so it's understood that nowhere in scripture is anything said with regard to anyone meeting on the first day of the week in remembrance of the resurrection.

Also Yahshua/Jesus did not even resurrect on Sunday, but was already resurrected when the women arrived at the tomb after the Sabbath ;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]By all 4 accounts He had already Resurrected before the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] day/ Sunday[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 28:1-6, "”But late in the sabbath, as it was dawning into day one of the week, Miryam from Maḡdala and the other Miryam came to see the tomb. And see, there was a great earthquake, for a messenger of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]came down out of heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. And his appearance was like lightning, and his garments as white as snow. And the guards trembled for fear of him, and became like dead men. And the messenger responding, said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]who was impaled. He is not here, for He was raised, as He said. Come, see the place where the Master lay.”[/FONT]



“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]He is not here, for He was raised”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mark 16:1-6, “And when the Sabbath was past, Miryam from Maḡdala, and Miryam the mother of Ya‛aqoḇ, and Shelomah bought spices, to go and anoint Him. And very early on day one of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. And they said among themselves, “Who shall roll away the stone from the entrance of the tomb for us?” And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, for it was extremely large. And having entered into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right, wearing a white robe, and they were greatly astonished. And he said to them, “Do not be much astonished. You seek [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of Natsareth, who was impaled. He was raised – He is not here! See the place where they laid Him.”[/FONT]



“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]He was raised – He is not here”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 24:1-3, “But on day one of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. And having entered, they did not find the body of the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]they did not find the body of the Master [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע”[/FONT][/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 20:1, “And on the first day of the week Miryam from Maḡdala came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]the stone had been removed from the tomb”[/FONT]

 

[Studyman]

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

end of means like, the end of a trip, looking through a telescope and seeing whats at the end.

G5056 telos
tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the uttermost point, or the final result of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

That's beautiful TMS. In a world filled with religious franchises and religious doctrines and traditions of men, what path should I follow?

Right there is it, God in His Love and mercy gave of His Son, not only to wipe our slate clean and give a fresh start, but also to show us the true path and how to "WALK" it.

We need look no further than Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith.

Great Post

 

[rstrats]

Hizikyah,
re: "Also Yahshua/Jesus did not even resurrect on Sunday...By all 4 accounts He had already Resurrected before the 1st day."


Actually, the accounts you cite do not preclude a resurrection sometime during the night of the first calendar day of the week.

 

[Hizikyah]

Hizikyah,
re: "Also Yahshua/Jesus did not even resurrect on Sunday...By all 4 accounts He had already Resurrected before the 1st day."


Actually, the accounts you cite do not preclude a resurrection sometime during the night of the first calendar day of the week.

I agree they in themselves do not prove a 7th or 1st day, but shed some light that when the women came He has already resurrected.

A complete breakdown showing that inddeed Yahshua/Jesusu resurrected at the end of the 7th day is here;

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-messiah-put-grave-when-did-he-resurrect.html

The 1st 3 posts go into detail breaking down and providing all the Scripture needd to show the Scriptual timeline of the events of His death, burial and resurrection.

 

[beta]

phil36,
re: "...the first Christians used Sunday as their day of rest in remembrance of the resurrection."


Just so it's understood that nowhere in scripture is anything said with regard to anyone meeting on the first day of the week in remembrance of the resurrection.

It's just another of Baal's worshippers own ideas...that's why it is not in scripture.

 

[Snoozy]

It's just another of Baal's worshippers own ideas...that's why it is not in scripture.

so people who celebrate christmas as the birth of Christ are baal worshippers? thats a weird accusation. then again u are also saying if u dont keep the sabbath ur not saved.

so what can we expect.

notice how salvation has a lot to do with weekdays and holidays and all kinds of days? God really doesnt like certain days looks like.

garfield dont like mondays.

 

[loveme1]

so people who celebrate christmas as the birth of Christ are baal worshippers? thats a weird accusation. then again u are also saying if u dont keep the sabbath ur not saved.

so what can we expect.

notice how salvation has a lot to do with weekdays and holidays and all kinds of days? God really doesnt like certain days looks like.

garfield dont like mondays.

Snoozy have you followed Beta to this thread with regard to something posted elsewhere? Because Christmas is not mentioned in your quote ?

 

[Studyman]

so people who celebrate christmas as the birth of Christ are baal worshippers? thats a weird accusation. then again u are also saying if u dont keep the sabbath ur not saved.

so what can we expect.

notice how salvation has a lot to do with weekdays and holidays and all kinds of days? God really doesnt like certain days looks like.

garfield dont like mondays.

God likes it when we honor Him with obedience to His Instruction according to His Word. He has shown clearly that He doesn't like it when people create images of Him in the likeness of anything, this would include a long haired men's hair shampoo model, or transgress the Commandments of God by our own man made traditions like Halloween and Christmas.

This judgment of Beta is not hers, it belongs to the God of the Bible. She has Faith in this God, not the one you created that was born on Dec. 25th.

It's about God's Judgment, not mans.

 

[valiant]

God likes it when we honor Him with obedience to His Instruction according to His Word.

And when we follow the new covenant and not the old.

He has shown clearly that He doesn't like it when people create images of Him in the likeness of anything,

true

this would include a long haired men's hair shampoo model,

all people who have seen Jesus depict Him with long hair.

or transgress the Commandments of God by our own man made traditions like Halloween and Christmas.

I fail to see how celebrating Jesus birth offends God?

This judgment of Beta is not hers, it belongs to the God of the Bible. She has Faith in this God, not the one you created that was born on Dec. 25th.

No one says He was born on 25th December. It is simply chosen as a date on which to honour His birth. Tt was a day on which even slaves were free to celebrate
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It's about God's Judgment, not mans.

Are you God? LOL

 

[JaumeJ]

Our Heavenly Father considers disobedience as witch craft

and He considers even stubbornness as idolatry.

This lesson is eternal......not just of this age but forever.

 

[stonesoffire]

Our Heavenly Father considers disobedience as witch craft

and He considers even stubbornness as idolatry.

This lesson is eternal......not just of this age but forever.

But, He deals with us as sons Jaume...not as servants. So He chastens us. That's the thing about the OT, and the NT. We now have Holy Spirit not only on the inside of us but alongside of us. And His will.....will prevail.

 

[JaumeJ]

F¨rom what I have learned over the years from the Book is that our Father dealt with Satan as a son at one time..........

But, He deals with us as sons Jaume...not as servants. So He chastens us. That's the thing about the OT, and the NT. We now have Holy Spirit not only on the inside of us but alongside of us. And His will.....will prevail.

 

[lightbearer]

Howdy

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the uttermost point, or the final result of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Uttermost point or final result. Here is what I found in the BDAG Lexicon.
τέλος, ους, τό (Hom.+)
1 a point of time marking the end of a duration, end, termination, cessation....
2 the last part of a process, close, conclusion....
3 the goal toward which a movement is being directed, end, goal, outcome...

He is the utter most point and the end of the Law unto righteousness to everyone that believeth my friend.

Gal 3:24 states, Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


The Faith has come, Christ is; so we are no longer under the tutelage of the schoolmaster. We have put on Christ and We are all one in Christ.
(Gal 3:24-27 KJV)

So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven?(That is, to bring Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments) down from above

Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (That is, to bring up Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments again from the dead.)
But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Word, the commandments, the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, in thy heart: that we may do it; that is, THE WORD OF FAITH, which we preach.

What is Faith? Christ; the Word in our hearts and in our mouths that we do it that is what Faith is.

And that is the Gospel, the Kingdom of GOD (CHRIST) in us. The end of the Law for righteousness sake. For GOD hath said, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them." And HE shall be our GOD and we shall be HIS people, for it is GOD that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Christ (the Word, His Commandments, GOD's will) in us the hope of Glory. For without this faith it is impossible to please GOD. Do we then make void the Law through this Faith? God forbid! No that is not the case. We establish it!

This is the new ministration. We are declared to be the epistle of Christ. Written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; For leadeth us to repents and it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.
(2Co 3:3-5)

We shall love the LORD our GOD and our fellow man with all our hearts and all our minds and all our strength. No greater love can a man have than that to which lays his life down for the brethren. And on this Love hangs (depends) all the Law and Prophets.

All means all. And yes that includes the Sabbath!

 

[LoveGodForever]

Re: Howdy

Uttermost point or final result. Here is what I found in the BDAG Lexicon.
τέλος, ους, τό (Hom.+)
1 a point of time marking the end of a duration, end, termination, cessation....
2 the last part of a process, close, conclusion....
3 the goal toward which a movement is being directed, end, goal, outcome...

He is the utter most point and the end of the Law unto righteousness to everyone that believeth my friend.

Gal 3:24 states, Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


The Faith has come, Christ is; so we are no longer under the tutelage of the schoolmaster. We have put on Christ and We are all one in Christ.
(Gal 3:24-27 KJV)

So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven?(That is, to bring Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments) down from above

Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (That is, to bring up Christ, the Word, all that GOD would have us be. HIS Commandments again from the dead.)
But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Word, the commandments, the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, in thy heart: that we may do it; that is, THE WORD OF FAITH, which we preach.

What is Faith? Christ; the Word in our hearts and in our mouths that we do it that is what Faith is.

And that is the Gospel, the Kingdom of GOD (CHRIST) in us. The end of the Law for righteousness sake. For GOD hath said, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them." And HE shall be our GOD and we shall be HIS people, for it is GOD that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Christ (the Word, His Commandments, GOD's will) in us the hope of Glory. For without this faith it is impossible to please GOD. Do we then make void the Law through this Faith? God forbid! No that is not the case. We establish it!

This is the new ministration. We are declared to be the epistle of Christ. Written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; For leadeth us to repents and it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.
(2Co 3:3-5)

We shall love the LORD our GOD and our fellow man with all our hearts and all our minds and all our strength. No greater love can a man have than that to which lays his life down for the brethren. And on this Love hangs (depends) all the Law and Prophets.

All means all. And yes that includes the Sabbath!

Nicely put together. Also ties in very nicely with John 8:31-36.

May God bless you are you continue in his Word.

 

[Studyman]

And when we follow the new covenant and not the old.




true



all people who have seen Jesus depict Him with long hair.




I fail to see how celebrating Jesus birth offends God?



No one says He was born on 25th December. It is simply chosen as a date on which to honour His birth. Tt was a day on which even slaves were free to celebrate
,


Are you God? LOL

Where in the prophesy regarding the New Covenant is there any talk of rejecting God’s Commandments? Or creating new ones?

 

[lightbearer]

Re: Howdy

Nicely put together. Also ties in very nicely with John 8:31-36.

May God bless you are you continue in his Word.

May the LORD continue to bless you also my friend! I love them verses.

 

[rstrats]

valiant,
re: "I fail to see how celebrating Jesus birth offends God?"


Perhaps not, but other than the shepards and the wise men it seems a bit odd that scripture is silent with regard to anyone ever afterwards celebrating or observing the birth of the Messiah.

 

[Grandpa]

What would it be now?

Happy 2035th?

That's a lot of candles.

Did you ever watch Full Metal Jacket? How the drill sergeant has the whole company sing Happy Birthday to Jesus on Christmas. I thought that was pretty good.

 

[rstrats]

Hizikyah,
re: "I agree they in themselves do not prove a 7th or 1st day, but shed some light that when the women came He has already resurrected."


They do more than shed some light. They flat out state that the Messiah was gone by the time the women arrived at the tomb. Except for John 20:1 - That He was gone isn't stated until verse 2.

 

[phil36]

phil36,
re: "...the first Christians used Sunday as their day of rest in remembrance of the resurrection."


Just so it's understood that nowhere in scripture is anything said with regard to anyone meeting on the first day of the week in remembrance of the resurrection.

Hi rstrats,

Just so it's understood, yes it is in scripture as an example for christians meeting on 1st day (sunday) to commemorate the resurrection, what that means and entails ..