The King James Bible

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Oh, those verses I posted using the NASB aren't good enough for you. :rolleyes:

You're as clueless as Alicia Silverstone.
[FONT=&quot]“Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?” (James 3:11)[/FONT]
 

posthuman

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Oh, those verses I posted using the NASB aren't good enough for you. :rolleyes:

You're as clueless as Alicia Silverstone.
You know how it's written, 'this is how we know the spirit of antichrist, it's not divisible by 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 37, 40 or 47'

;)


heh maybe youtube hasn't been so unprofitable after all!
 
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*whew* man, getting indoctrinated on youtube is tiresome and evidently not profitable in the short term.

Anyhoo...

So far I haven't read anything remotely useful coming out of all this haphazard combinatorics.

So if someone is wise, could they please explain the 153 fish at the end of the gospel of John?
Not, I think, an insignificant detail - and John throughout his book is focused on showing the reader that Christ is God. After 7 signs he chose to record for us, he closes with this, as though to say if the 7 signs were too hard or not enough, "153 fish, Q.E.D."

Who has understanding?

Wonderful topic :)

153 happens to be the the 17th triangular number.

1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17 = 153

In the King James Bible (perhaps in other translations also, I have not checked) both the names of Peter and Paul are found in 153 verses each.
 
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*whew* man, getting indoctrinated on youtube is tiresome and evidently not profitable in the short term.

Anyhoo...

So far I haven't read anything remotely useful coming out of all this haphazard combinatorics.

So if someone is wise, could they please explain the 153 fish at the end of the gospel of John?
Not, I think, an insignificant detail - and John throughout his book is focused on showing the reader that Christ is God. After 7 signs he chose to record for us, he closes with this, as though to say if the 7 signs were too hard or not enough, "153 fish, Q.E.D."

Who has understanding?
Jesus told the disciples to go out unto all nations,and preach the Gospel,and told them that they are fishers of men prior to that.

Is it the number of nations that existed at that time.

153 nations,the number of fish representing the nations,which they were to go out unto all nations preaching the Gospel,and they are fishers of men.
 
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Jesus told the disciples to go out unto all nations,and preach the Gospel,and told them that they are fishers of men prior to that.

Is it the number of nations that existed at that time.

153 nations,the number of fish representing the nations,which they were to go out unto all nations preaching the Gospel,and they are fishers of men.
All forms of the word "preach" (preached, preacher etc) are found 153 times in the King James Bible
 
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You don't but it may be useful for counting the number of the beast. Revelation 13:18
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The beast,man of sin,will be in to the occult,nature worship,witchcraft,spiritual evolution through nature,and acknowledges no God,but honors the God of forces,or the power of nature as his God,and will claim to be God by harnessing the power of nature,and obtaining power,evolved,and will share this power with all who follow him.

The occult believes in the power of numbers,and the grouping,timing,and adding of numbers,which they believe will give them more power,or their plan to have more chance for success,and 6 is the number of a man,so the man of sin assigned the number 666,a triple 6 to himself,believing it will give him more power.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.
 
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Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The beast,man of sin,will be in to the occult,nature worship,witchcraft,spiritual evolution through nature,and acknowledges no God,but honors the God of forces,or the power of nature as his God,and will claim to be God by harnessing the power of nature,and obtaining power,evolved,and will share this power with all who follow him.

The occult believes in the power of numbers,and the grouping,timing,and adding of numbers,which they believe will give them more power,or their plan to have more chance for success,and 6 is the number of a man,so the man of sin assigned the number 666,a triple 6 to himself,believing it will give him more power.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.
Look at the Greek letter Chi and its resemblance to the letter X. Now consider the X chromosome our DNA. Perhaps there is something connected with genetics. As for as Revelation 13:16 goes lets some quick counting.

1. small
2. great
3. rich
4. poor
5. free
6. bond

Six different types of people in three distinct groups of opposites. (small and great are opposites and so goes the pattern).

These may be potential clues.
 

posthuman

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Wonderful topic :)

153 happens to be the the 17th triangular number.

1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17 = 153

In the King James Bible (perhaps in other translations also, I have not checked) both the names of Peter and Paul are found in 153 verses each.
All forms of the word "preach" (preached, preacher etc) are found 153 times in the King James Bible
It doesn't explain anything or appear to be remotely useful to know either of these things.

Why 153?

Counting instances of words doesn't seem useful for understanding this. It might be interesting trivia, but I'm not learning anything so far. There's no meaning. There's no 'this is why..'

Help?
 

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If God chooses who will be saved,and not saved,in the beginning with no choice on the part of the people,then answer this question.

Why did God put people on earth that go through suffering,and pain,and problems,if their fate is already given them in the beginning,and they have no choice concerning it.
Simple.. And this question has been answered so many times before..

God has foreknowledge of all universe History and all universe future.. So God already foreknew You and I before He made the universe.. So from the very beginning He knew the creation would serve His purpose and he already know who among His creation would believe His Word and accept His way of salvation and who would reject His Word and Reject His way of salvation..
 
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It doesn't explain anything or appear to be remotely useful to know either of these things.

Why 153?

Counting instances of words doesn't seem useful for understanding this. It might be interesting trivia, but I'm not learning anything so far. There's no meaning. There's no 'this is why..'

Help?
Perhaps they are clues.

"And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes." (John 21:6)

"find" = 47 times in the NT of the KJB
"eternal" = 47 times in the KJB
"Son of God" = 47 times in the Bible
"truth" = 47x5 times in 37x6 verses of the KJB
"book" = 47x4 times in 7x25 verses of the KJB
"preach" = 47 verses of the KJB

God speaks exactly 47 words when He created man and women on the 6th day of Genesis chapter 1. Luke 3:38 refers to Adam as the "son of God" and "son of God" any case occurs in 47 verses of the KJB.

I think these are all potential clues.
 
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Once again, you side step my question.

As many in this forum know, I am not a great believer in demon possession as the cause of mental illness. But when someone REFUSES time after time, to answer poster after poster and NOT use the name of Jesus, then, I think we have found the root of your problem. Can you answer my question, using the name of Jesus Christ? Because I think you are a bibliophile, and you do not know Jesus. Prove me wrong, please!

"Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Saviour?"

(Let's see what SG and Willie can make of three (3) times 37! 3 x 37= 111 This is 1/6 the number of the beast! Yikes!)
You have just accused James37 of being possesed by a demon.... You better hope that you are right in this assesment because if He is indwelled by the Holy Spirit, you would have just blasphemed the Holy Spirit....
 
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Perhaps they are clues.

"And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes." (John 21:6)

"find" = 47 times in the NT of the KJB
"eternal" = 47 times in the KJB
"Son of God" = 47 times in the Bible
"truth" = 47x5 times in 37x6 verses of the KJB
"book" = 47x4 times in 7x25 verses of the KJB
"preach" = 47 verses of the KJB

God speaks exactly 47 words when He created man and women on the 6th day of Genesis chapter 1. Luke 3:38 refers to Adam as the "son of God" and "son of God" any case occurs in 47 verses of the KJB.

I think these are all potential clues.
Here is another clue. The word "ship" in John 21:8 is the 7x7 occurrence and the 47th verse that contains this word.
 

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An Appeal to Reason

Muslims claim that the “miraculous” numerology in the Qur’an (see the numerous Muslim websites that provide extensive examples of the “miracles”) is proof that the Qur’an is the true word of God—but Muslims at least have the sense to base their numerology in the Qur’an upon the original text in Arabic rather than an early 17th century English translation!

Moreover, the King James translation of the Bible differs from the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek in thousands of places. Therefore, if the King James translation of the Bible is the true word of God—the Bible itself is a fraud!

The “miraculous” numerology in the life of William Shakespeare and his writings is also followed in a cultic manner.
 
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Re: An Appeal to Reason

Muslims claim that the “miraculous” numerology in the Qur’an (see the numerous Muslim websites that provide extensive examples of the “miracles”) is proof that the Qur’an is the true word of God—but Muslims at least have the sense to base their numerology in the Qur’an upon the original text in Arabic rather than an early 17th century English translation!

Moreover, the King James translation of the Bible differs from the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek in thousands of places. Therefore, if the King James translation of the Bible is the true word of God—the Bible itself is a fraud!

The “miraculous” numerology in the life of William Shakespeare and his writings is also followed in a cultic manner.

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." 1 Thessalonians 5:22

 

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Re: An Appeal to Reason

Muslims claim that the “miraculous” numerology in the Qur’an (see the numerous Muslim websites that provide extensive examples of the “miracles”) is proof that the Qur’an is the true word of God—but Muslims at least have the sense to base their numerology in the Qur’an upon the original text in Arabic rather than an early 17th century English translation!

Moreover, the King James translation of the Bible differs from the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek in thousands of places. Therefore, if the King James translation of the Bible is the true word of God—the Bible itself is a fraud!

The “miraculous” numerology in the life of William Shakespeare and his writings is also followed in a cultic manner.
If we are meant to discover the meaning of the 153 fish by counting instances of words, like it's a cipher instead of actual meaningful text, it would be the words in the original language of the most accurate manuscripts. Not a translation into another language 1600 years after the fact, right?

This was not meant to be impossible to solve or comprehend at the time John wrote it. Right?
 

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Re: An Appeal to Reason

"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." 1 Thessalonians 5:22


1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. KJV
 
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Re: An Appeal to Reason

If we are meant to discover the meaning of the 153 fish by counting instances of words, like it's a cipher instead of actual meaningful text, it would be the words in the original language of the most accurate manuscripts. Not a translation into another language 1600 years after the fact, right?

This was not meant to be impossible to solve or comprehend at the time John wrote it. Right?
Like I said, it's a compulsive illness. Did you ever see the movie "Rainman?"
 

posthuman

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Re: An Appeal to Reason

Like I said, it's a compulsive illness. Did you ever see the movie "Rainman?"
Yeah

Have you seen pi? Not the recent movie about the guy on the boat with the tiger...