GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

phil36 · Nov 27, 2017

Hi LGF,

The SDA/Sabbatarian used God's word to try and back up their failed and false prophecies. Satan himself used Scripture against Jesus!

For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”

The SDA/SAbbatarianism will only enslave you into falsehood. Let Jesus set you free LGF don't follow false prophets.

LoveGodForever · Nov 27, 2017

phil36 said:

Hello Phil,

Quoting yourself over the Word of God does not make what you say true. Phil, only the Word of God is true and we must BELIEVE and follow God's Word. If we do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of God then we are still in our SINS and have become an UNBELIEVER and UNBELIEVERS have NO PART in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Only Jesus can open the blind eyes to see.

If our eyes are not open we cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear and is why Jesus says truly truly I say to you unless a man is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven.

The victory that overcomes the world is only found in him and he is the Word that creates all things and works in those who believe. Those that do not believe are still in their sins and do not know him.

If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? There is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. Many are indeed called but few are chosen. God's sheep hear His voice.

Do you know the scriptures?

phil36 · Nov 27, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Hi LGF, Bring yourself out of SDA/Sabbatarianism:

SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS HAVE A FALSE PROPHETESS - Ellen G. White. Adventists officially state, "As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth and provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction" "The Dallas Statement 17"(emphasis supplied). Ellen White's writings are called the "Spirit of Prophecy" and "The Testimony of Jesus". She is considered by Adventists to be as inspired as Bible writers. Her writings are considered to be as inspired as the Bible. Space does not permit us to show her many false prophecies but documentation is available. She is the authoress of the books quoted below. Her writings represent current Adventist beliefs. Speaking of her writings she said, "The testimonies are of the Spirit of God or of the Devil" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 4, p. 230.

THE SABBATH IS THE SEAL OF GOD AND THOSE WORSHIPING ON SUNDAY WILL RECIEVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

It is well known that Adventists teach Sabbath-keeping. What is not so well known is that they teach that it is the seal of God and that those who worship on Sunday before the Rapture will receive the mark of the beast. Ultimately, according to Adventist theology, salvation in the last days boils down to the day you worship on!

You see they teach the traditions of man...in fact the teaching of a 'seer' who teachings are seen as inspired.

Don't be blinded LGF>

LoveGodForever · Nov 27, 2017

phil36 said:

Hello Phil, you did not provide your source and the website your get your information from. You do see again they you are only pointing all to the word of men over the Word of God and you provide NO scripture or point people to the Word of God? Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth does speak. As for me I follow NO man or woman but ONLY Him who calls me in LOVE because I am free to LOVE. I only point all to God's Word yet you provide none.

phil36 · Nov 27, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Hi LGF

You are quite right I didn't. I will provide it below. However they do quote their sources from SDA teachings.

SATAN BEARS OUR SINS

"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).

"Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 475.

Its time to stop following a womans teaching who's words are seen as inspired, that is false teaching LGF.

http://www.exadventist.com/home/intro/tabid/64/default.aspx

prove-all · Nov 27, 2017

trofimus said:

This just shows you do not read the posts, or the links provided to you.

"Easter” That [the apostolic fathers do not mention it] and that we first hear of
it principally through the Controversy of the Quartodecimans are purely accidental”

that was a direct quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia,
not something I madeup out of thin air.

Hizikyah · Nov 27, 2017

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…" [/FONT]

LoveGodForever · Nov 27, 2017

phil36 said:

As I said earlier I follow no one but God's Word. You must follow your teachings and traditions because you love your traditions more then God's Word so you have chosen not to BELIEVE him who loves all. This is your decision I do not judge you because it is the Word of God that will judge us all in the last days (John 12:47-48).

I must follow Him who calls me because I hear His Voice. If you knew Him you would follow Him and point all to Him who loves all. You must follow your tradition because in word you say you know him but your actions show you do not.

If you would like to talk about the OP or God's Word I am happy to share scripture with you but if not we are wasting each others time and I have better things to do, some will hear His voice and others will hear the voice of another. I will Love Jesus because I BELIEVE I am free to love as he first loved me so will keep you in my prayers.

gb9 · Nov 27, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Daniel 7 was talking about the forth beast in his vision, a kingdom. unless you think one of us is a kingdom, this does not apply to anyone here.

you know, if I were you, I would stop having so much disrespect for God's word. have you no fear of the Lord? the Bible is not a toy to be played with.

Grandpa · Nov 27, 2017

The SDA and Hebrew Roots both claim to believe and use the scripture but they twist those scriptures by their unbelief and non-understanding.

Matthew 11:28 [FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Rest from what? Rest from taking animals to the levites? NO, that is silly twisting of scripture making the Lord Jesus and Paul both lie and the scripture false.

The Lord Jesus gives us rest from our work at the law. Starting with the 10 commandments and including the levitical law.

If you are still looking to the law to work at it in your own understanding then you are in unbelief. You either have not been to Christ to receive rest or you don't believe there is a such thing as rest from your work that CAN be given.

Galatians 3:13 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

The law is talking about the 10 commandments of course. There is a curse for not perfectly obeying the law.

The only way you can be redeemed from the curse of the law is being given Rest from it by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Otherwise, if you continue to work at it, or go back to working at it, you place yourself back under the curse.

Galatians 3:10-11
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Romans 8:1-2
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[FONT=&quot]1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

If you are not Righteous, you are not justified and you are not saved by the law shouldn't you re-focus on what does make you Righteous, Justified and Saved before God?

Christianity is simple and it doesn't involve going back to Judaism or the teachings from cults.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Righteousness doesn't come by the law??? So we are supposed to be convinced to go back to working at a law that doesn't give us righteousness, doesn't justify us, and doesn't give us salvation in direct contradiction to what the Lord Jesus Christ gives us and what Paul further explains in his epistles? Sounds pretty foolish to me. Judaizers and legalists don't seem to care what is foolish they only care about going back to their understanding of the law. Its kind of weird. Its like they don't even understand scripture.

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LoveGodForever · Nov 27, 2017

phil36 said:

Hello phil, what does the gospel mean to you (scripture)? Let's share the Word of God together......
Look forward to your answer but will have to rest for now as it is late my time. Nice talking to you all.

Hizikyah · Nov 27, 2017

Hizikyah said:

gb9 said:

who said anyone here changed the Law and zemawn in peoples minds? Your accusations are not only unfounded but foolish.

the impostore did it:

Hizikyah said:

Rev 6:2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer. NKJV

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“A white horse,” there is another part of revelation that mentions a white horse;
Revelation 19:11-16, “11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He Who sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. And He had a Name written that no man knew, but He Himself. And He was wrapped in a tallit dipped in blood, and the Name of Him is called: Yahshua--The Salvation of Yahweh. And the armies in heaven clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him upon white horses, And out of His mouth goes a sharp, two-edged sword, that with it He should strike the nations; and He will rule over them with a rod of iron; and He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty Yahweh. And He has on His tallit and on His banner a name written: KING OF KINGS AND RULER OF RULERS.”

Because of this many people think that this “white horse” from Revelation 6:2 is Yahshua. There is a number of similarities; white horse, crown and conquering. But let us slow down a bit and consider another possibility. This first one who sat upon a white horse had a bow, which represents power, but there is no mention of him actually being the Messiah or being “faithful and true” as the real Messiah is described. The Messiah’s return is not until after all the seals, trumpets and vials. Also it is the Messiah Himself who opens all seven seals, which include all four “horseman.” No this first “white horse” is not the Messiah, it is an impostor, portraying himself to be holy. Remember all the seals, trumpets and vials are judgments, plagues, evil powers or things of this nature and only after they have all been loosed will the Messiah return. So who could this impostor be?

1 John 2:18, “Little children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Anti-Messiah will come, even now there are many Anti-Messiahs; by this we know that this is the last hour.”

An anti-Messiah is one who is against the Messiah, against what He stands for and what He teaches. But remember this “white horse” is trying to act like the real Messiah. A counterfeit messiah-impostor who acts holy but in reality is not. First, is there anyone on earth who claims to be in the place of the Messiah? Second, are their acts holy?

John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 –poimén)."

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The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume XV, 1912 (Lat. Vicarius Christi) Vicar of Christ
“A title of the pope implying his supreme and universal primacy, both of honour and of jurisdiction, over the Church of Christ. It is founded on the words of the Divine Shepherd to St. Peter: "Feed my lambs. . . . Feed my sheep" (John 21:16-17), by which He constituted the Prince of the Apostles guardian of His entire flock in His own place, thus making him His Vicar and fulfilling the promise made in Matthew 16:18-19.In the course of the ages other vicarial designations have been used for the pope, as Vicar of St. Peter and even Vicar of the Apostolic See (Pope Gelasius, I, Ep. vi), but the title Vicar of Christ is more expressive of his supreme headship of the Church on earth, which he bears in virtue of the commission of Christ and with vicarial power derived from Him. Thus, Innocent III appeals for his power to remove bishops to the fact that he is Vicar of Christ (cap. "Inter corporalia", 2, "De trans. ep."). He also declares that Christ has given such power only to His Vicar Peter and his successors (cap. "Quanto", 3, ibid.), and states that it is the Roman Pontiff who is "the successor of Peter and the Vicar of Jesus Christ" (cap. "Licet", 4, ibid.). The title Vicar of God used for the pope by Nicholas III (c. "Fundamenta ejus", 17, "De elect.", in 6) is employed as an equivalent for Vicar of Christ.”

Matthew 23:9, “And call no man your father (G3962 patér) on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.”

Catholic Dictionary 1910 (Greek: papas, form of pappas, father) Pope
“Title of the Supreme Head of the Church founded by Christ...” “He is entitled Vicar of Christ, Head of the Church, Father of all the Faithful, Supreme or Sovereign Pontiff, His Holiness, Servant of the Servants of God, the Fisherman, after the calling of the Apostles and their designation by Christ as fishers of men. He wears the tiara, or triple crown. He ranks as first of Christian princes, and his ambassadors have precedence over other members of the diplomatic body. The office of the pope brings him into contact with civil rulers and legislatures insomuch as they may regulate temporal affairs affecting religion...”

Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume XII 911 Pope
(Ecclesiastical Latin papa from Greek papas, a variant of pappas father, in classical Latin pappas -- Juvenal, "Satires" 6:633).The title pope, once used with far greater latitude (see below, section V), is at present employed solely to denote the Bishop of Rome, who, in virtue of his position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth. Besides the bishopric of the Roman Diocese, certain other dignities are held by the pope as well as the supreme and universal pastorate: he is Archbishop of the Roman Province, Primate of Italy and the adjacent islands, and sole Patriarch of the Western Church. The Church's doctrine as to the pope was authoritatively declared in the Vatican Council in the Constitution "Pastor Aeternus". The four chapters of that Constitution deal respectively with the office of Supreme Head conferred on St. Peter, the perpetuity of this office in the person of the Roman pontiff, the pope's jurisdiction over the faithful, and his supreme authority to define in all questions of faith and morals. This last point has been sufficiently discussed in the article INFALLIBILITY, and will be only incidentally touched on here.The present article is divided as follows: I. Institution of a Supreme Head by Christ II. Primacy of the Roman See III. Nature and Extent of the Papal Power IV. Jurisdictional Rights and Prerogatives of the Pope V. Primacy of Honour: Titles and Insignia I. INSTITUTION OF A SUPREME HEAD BY CHRIST.”

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Translated from Lucius Ferraris,Prompta Bibliotheca (Ready Library), “Papa,’’ art. 2;

What power has claimed authority to change God’s law? The Papacy. “The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws...The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God; and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth.”

N. Summerbell, History of the Christian Church (1873), pg. 415;
What part of the law of God has the Papacy thought to change? The fourth commandment. NOTE: They [the Catholics] allege the change of the Sabbath into the Lord’s day, contrary, as it seemeth to the Decalogue; and they have no example more in their mouths than the change of the Sabbath. They will needs have the Church’s power to be very great, because it hath dispensed with a precept of the Decalogue. The Augsburg Confession (Lutheran). Part 2. art. 7, in Philip Schaff, The Creeds of Christendom (Harper), Vol. 3, pg. 64. “It [the Roman Catholic Church] reversed the Fourth Commandment by doing away with the Sabbath of God’s word, and instituting Sunday as a holiday.”

Daniyl 7:25, “And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws; and they will be given into his hand until a time, and times, and the dividing of time.”

This false change was enacted by Emperor Constantine in 325 A.D. at the Council of Nicea.

phil36 · Nov 27, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Hi LGF,

Lets have a look at what the SDA/Sabbatarians falsely teach.

These are just teachings of man and not from God. You need to come out of her LGF.

It was Jesus who bore our sins not Satan:

1 Peter 2:24:

"He himself bore our sins" in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; "by his wounds you have been healed."

Hizikyah · Nov 27, 2017

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 2:9, “But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]

phil36 · Nov 27, 2017

And here we have it folks:

saved by grace through Law

Hizikyah said:

1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”

1 Corinthians 2:9, “But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him.”

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Hizikyah · Nov 27, 2017

Hizikyah said:

phil36 said:

Those are His words saying it is love towards Him, if you have an issues with that it is your own problem, are you to tell Him you will love Him the way you see fit and not the way He does? I am not ashamed one bit, I stand strong of the words that proceed from the Mouth of YHWH and His Messiah.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]

Hizikyah · Nov 27, 2017

I can't believe you jsut said that Phil, He says it is loving HIm, how can you accuse that? Thats is insane.

phil36 · Nov 27, 2017

Hizikyah said:

I can say it easily Hizikyah, because the message you proclaim is law keeping..It doesn't matter what scriptures you throw together. And of course you are correct I got it wrong it should have been:

The Gospel according to Hizikyah

By Faith in the Law.

Hizikyah · Nov 27, 2017

phil36 said:

I’m sorry that you feel obedience is a bad thing, how it is possible that believers in the prophesied age of the mystery of iniquity could acts like the worst thing one can do after accepting Messiah is obey is beyond me, but then again I guess that is the very meaning of the mystery of iniquity:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]mystery” is word # G3466 - Mustérion, Strong's Concordance, mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine, Original Word: μυστήριον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: mustérion, Phonetic Spelling: (moos-tay'-ree-on), Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery, Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."[/FONT]

phil36 · Nov 27, 2017

Hizikyah said:

I’m sorry that you feel obedience is a bad thing, how it is possible that believers in the prophesied age of the mystery of iniquity could acts like the worst thing one can do after accepting Messiah is obey is beyond me, but then again I guess that is the very meaning of the mystery of iniquity:

2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."

“mystery” is word # G3466 - Mustérion, Strong's Concordance, mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine, Original Word: μυστήριον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: mustérion, Phonetic Spelling: (moos-tay'-ree-on), Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery, Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.

“iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

Hi Hizikyah.

I cannot see how you come to the conclusion that I say obedience is a bad thing.. Could you show me where I said that.?

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