FLAT EARTH

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Tommy379

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One of the munchkins is hanging dead on a noose in the background of the Wizard of Oz (digitally removed in the re-release). The Mars rover missions are faked on Devon Island. The Titanic never sunk, it was its sister ship The Olympic for an insurance scam. Forrest Gump actually says "Like WAS like a box of chocolates".
No one is hanging in Wizard of oz.
 
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Seedz

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#82
If the earth is flat what keeps geosynchronous satellites up in orbit? Why don't they fall back to earth?

And where do LEO (low earth orbit) satellites go when they disappear over the horizon in front of you, and then later reappear coming up over the horizon behind you? Do they circle around to the side? lulz

LULz Right back at yah...


Satellites as we "know" them, do not exist.

Think of this:

If a modern car requires regular service to keep running, (tires, oil, gas, wear and tear items) how in the heck do you think a satellite, exposed to radiation, extreme temperatures and an overwhlming amount of space debris remains in service with no maintanance whatsover? These satellites are far more complex than a car, after all they live in a cold vaccum filled with radiation and what not right????

Do you ever hear of dish network going down because one of their satellites stopped working?

Or do these said satellites ever crash into each other?

Yeah...... LULz is right.

Wake up people, ask questions!
 
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pckts

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#83
No one is hanging in Wizard of oz.
I will PM the links to you, respond to what you think of it here in the public thread. The fact that it was digitally removed is very telling.
 

Dino246

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#84
I'm still waiting for the flat-earth believers to give me a sound answer to this question:

How, on the flat earth, is it possible that the sun can "rise" from a point South of due East when viewed from a point ten degrees South of the Tropic of Capricorn?
 

Magenta

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#85
LULz Right back at yah...


Satellites as we "know" them, do not exist.

Think of this:

If a modern car requires regular service to keep running, (tires, oil, gas, wear and tear items) how in the heck do you think a satellite, exposed to radiation, extreme temperatures and an overwhlming amount of space debris remains in service with no maintanance whatsover? These satellites are far more complex than a car, after all they live in a cold vaccum filled with radiation and what not right????

Do you ever hear of dish network going down because one of their satellites stopped working?

Or do these said satellites ever crash into each other?

Yeah...... LULz is right.

Wake up people, ask questions!
Aren't satellites solar powered and made to last? In our consumer driven society, it is a fact that many things are not built to last. In fact, they seem to be deliberately designed to break down as soon as the warranty expires :p (Ooooh another conspiracy!!! :eek:)
 
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pckts

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#86
I'm still waiting for the flat-earth believers to give me a sound answer to this question:

How, on the flat earth, is it possible that the sun can "rise" from a point South of due East when viewed from a point ten degrees South of the Tropic of Capricorn?
That is absolutely no excuse to believe the moon landing or ISS footage is authentic. You just don't look into it objectively.

I've told you, on the flat earth the sun's path varies throughout the year. It's all possible, it's also possible the sun does not appear where you say it does. The only evidence you provide is a picture from google earth with absolutely no time-stamp or date of reference. You provide weak and incredible evidence and expect strong responses to it. Provide me a credible source and I'll look further into it for you.
 
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#87
Aren't satellites solar powered and made to last? In our consumer driven society, it is a fact that many things are not built to last. In fact, they seem to be deliberately designed to break down as soon as the warranty expires :p (Ooooh another conspiracy!!! :eek:)

1. Any solar powered device has a set of Ni-Cd, Ni-Mh, Pb-Ac, or Li-Ion batteries (modern chemistry), built into a solar charge control circuit. (the charge circuits control the input and output voltage and current to keep the battery from over charging or over discharging)

2. All batteries, no matter the chemistry will reach their max number of charge cycles (How many times the batteries can be charged)

3. Once the charge cycles have reached the limit, the batteries deteriorate and stop storing charge, therefore eventually die completely regardless of a perpetual solar source.

4. Batteries must be replaced eventually. Since these satellites cannot be serviced then they must be replaced.



Nothing is built to last forever.


By the way, I am a mechanical engineer, and I have vast experience with electronic and mechanical systems.

I research everything I share and i would never pull things out of my butt to prove a point.

If I do not know something I will simply say so.
 

tourist

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#88
Aren't satellites solar powered and made to last? In our consumer driven society, it is a fact that many things are not built to last. In fact, they seem to be deliberately designed to break down as soon as the warranty expires :p (Ooooh another conspiracy!!! :eek:)
That conspiracy about things breaking down has some traction. The industrial term for this is called 'planned obsolescence'. That's the manufacturing of products with a planned limited life. Otherwise, if nothing ever broke down eventually the economy would collapse due to lack of business. There would be no jobs. The way the process works is to design a product that produces identical value verses the monetary amount spent. Anything over or under that will result in loss sales and demand.
 
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pckts

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1. Any solar powered device has a set of Ni-Cd, Ni-Mh, Pb-Ac, or Li-Ion batteries (modern chemistry), built into a solar charge control circuit. (the charge circuits control the input and output voltage and current to keep the battery from over charging or over discharging)

2. All batteries, no matter the chemistry will reach their max number of charge cycles (How many times the batteries can be charged)

3. Once the charge cycles have reached the limit, the batteries deteriorate and stop storing charge, therefore eventually die completely regardless of a perpetual solar source.

4. Batteries must be replaced eventually. Since these satellites cannot be serviced then they must be replaced.



Nothing is built to last forever.


By the way, I am a mechanical engineer, and I have vast experience with electronic and mechanical systems.

I research everything I share and i would never pull things out of my butt to prove a point.

If I do not know something I will simply say so.
In a world of selfies and infinite cat photos, no one questions the lack of images of satellites in orbit or the earth rotating. It's these basic questions and observations that separates and limits the deceived.
 

Redeemed2015

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This just shows how brainwashed we are as a people...

There is a lot more evidence and sound fact in a flat earth model.
Hahaha, no.

The globe model is filled with ridiculous numbers and values far too great for anyone to actually measure, unless of course you are a scientist from NASA.
Or someone who has a basic understanding of mathematics operations like in Algebra, Trigonometry, and Calculus. It's actually not a very hard concept. You can actually scrap knowing Calculus altogether as Eratosthenes of Cyrenedid when he accurately measured the circumference of the Earth without ever leaving Egypt in 240 BC when you extrapolate known data with basic measurements across increments of time, specifically a 24-hour period.



Just go look across lake Michigan and tell me how it is possible to see the Chicago skyline clearly and completely at about 40 miles away.

Oh yeah, cus the earth is flat, that's why.
No, not at all. I would recommend you look into Atmospheric Refraction when dealing with 2 parallel planes across great distances, especially when one of these planes is water, a super light sensitive and internally refractive substance, just as mirrors are. The Phenomenon of the Chicago skyline is like unto a mirage, not exactly the same, however the principle being applied is similar.
 
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Seedz

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Hahaha, no.



Or someone who has a basic understanding of mathematics operations like in Algebra, Trigonometry, and Calculus. It's actually not a very hard concept. You can actually scrap knowing Calculus altogether as Eratosthenes of Cyrenedid when he accurately measured the circumference of the Earth without ever leaving Egypt in 240 BC when you extrapolate known data with basic measurements across increments of time, specifically a 24-hour period.





No, not at all. I would recommend you look into Atmospheric Refraction when dealing with 2 parallel planes across great distances, especially when one of these planes is water, a super light sensitive and internally refractive substance, just as mirrors are. The Phenomenon of the Chicago skyline is like unto a mirage, not exactly the same, however the principle being applied is similar.

Sigh....

Truth is a lot simpler and requires no complex explanations. (unlike the globe models)

Do you even know what atmospheric refraction is????

If it was "refraction" the image of the skyline would be angled differently.

Also, refraction works only through a fluid or lens of some sort, the atmosphere has enough density to allow this, but what most people do not understand is the fact that you would still require uninterrupted line of sight for refraction to take place.

At 40 miles of distance, and according to the curvature equation, there would be over 1000ft of earth that gets in the way.

If it was a "mirage" the image of the skyline would be flipped.

So no, it definitely is not refraction.



There is a circumference, but only in a 2D plane, not 3D like a sphere would be.....

The earth is a flat disk, not a ball.

The bible even says the earth is a CIRCLE...

Not a BALL........


King James Bible Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
 
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Sigh....

Truth is a lot simpler and requires no complex explanations. (unlike the globe models)

Do you even know what atmospheric refraction is????

If it was "refraction" the image of the skyline would be angled differently.

Also, refraction works only through a fluid or lens of some sort, the atmosphere has enough density to allow this, but what most people do not understand is the fact that you would still require uninterrupted line of sight for refraction to take place.

At 40 miles of distance, and according to the curvature equation, there would be over 1000ft of earth that gets in the way.

If it was a "mirage" the image of the skyline would be flipped.

So no, it definitely is not refraction.



There is a circumference, but only in a 2D plane, not 3D like a sphere would be.....

The earth is a flat disk, not a ball.

The bible even says the earth is a CIRCLE...

Not a BALL........


King James Bible Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
There is only 8 inches of curve for every mile, not sure how you got 1000ft.

the bible mentions circle and round, and that is exactly what you see when you look at the moon, the moon doesn't appear flat nor sphere, so God inspired the wording it just right.

you are standing on a huge ball that you cannot view the circumference nor height nor width of the earth, so yea your eyes will see a flat horizon it is a mirage, jut like viewing this 3D street art on a flat surface, you cannot make your eyes see it on a flat 2D street.



Do You know how your eyes will adapt to your surroundings and or information about a object. the earth your mind doesn't have enough info to view the earth as a sphere nor flat disk, lol

Your eyes can and will go from full 2D viewing to full 3D viewing and anything in between, So the neutral mode of your eyes is 2D/3D,,, 50/50.

thus reason why God only mentions the earth in that mode of 2D/3D because that is what you see when you look at other planetary objects in the night sky.
 

tourist

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There is only 8 inches of curve for every mile, not sure how you got 1000ft.

the bible mentions circle and round, and that is exactly what you see when you look at the moon, the moon doesn't appear flat nor sphere, so God inspired the wording it just right.

you are standing on a huge ball that you cannot view the circumference nor height nor width of the earth, so yea your eyes will see a flat horizon it is a mirage, jut like viewing this 3D street art on a flat surface, you cannot make your eyes see it on a flat 2D street.



Do You know how your eyes will adapt to your surroundings and or information about a object. the earth your mind doesn't have enough info to view the earth as a sphere nor flat disk, lol

Your eyes can and will go from full 2D viewing to full 3D viewing and anything in between, So the neutral mode of your eyes is 2D/3D,,, 50/50.

thus reason why God only mentions the earth in that mode of 2D/3D because that is what you see when you look at other planetary objects in the night sky.
At 7.98 inches of curvature per mile the total amount at 40 miles would be 26.6 ft. The tallest building in Chicago is 1450 ft. At a distance of 40 miles there would be 1423 ft of building visible minus the amount of visual perception lost over that distance.
 
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Seedz

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There is only 8 inches of curve for every mile, not sure how you got 1000ft.

the bible mentions circle and round, and that is exactly what you see when you look at the moon, the moon doesn't appear flat nor sphere, so God inspired the wording it just right.

you are standing on a huge ball that you cannot view the circumference nor height nor width of the earth, so yea your eyes will see a flat horizon it is a mirage, jut like viewing this 3D street art on a flat surface, you cannot make your eyes see it on a flat 2D street.



Do You know how your eyes will adapt to your surroundings and or information about a object. the earth your mind doesn't have enough info to view the earth as a sphere nor flat disk, lol

Your eyes can and will go from full 2D viewing to full 3D viewing and anything in between, So the neutral mode of your eyes is 2D/3D,,, 50/50.

thus reason why God only mentions the earth in that mode of 2D/3D because that is what you see when you look at other planetary objects in the night sky.

DUDE................

1. It is 8 inches per mile SQUARED..... If you do not know what you are talking about, then don't comment.

2. There is a big difference between the word Circle, round, and ball. Please go to google images and type in "Circle" and see what you get. Then type in "Ball" and see what you get. (this might help you understand the differnce in the words, a dictionary might help too)

People back in the day were not dumb at all, they knew the difference between a circle and a ball.

3. What you are mentioning is perspective, but perspective has nothing to do with a curvature that should be measurable but it is not. No matter how you look at it, the curvature is not there.

Also the Isaiah passage mentions the firmament, and compares it to a pitched tent.... Wonder why they would chose that analogy..
 

Redeemed2015

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#96
Sigh....

Truth is a lot simpler and requires no complex explanations. (unlike the globe models)

Do you even know what atmospheric refraction is????

If it was "refraction" the image of the skyline would be angled differently.

Also, refraction works only through a fluid or lens of some sort, the atmosphere has enough density to allow this, but what most people do not understand is the fact that you would still require uninterrupted line of sight for refraction to take place.

At 40 miles of distance, and according to the curvature equation, there would be over 1000ft of earth that gets in the way.

If it was a "mirage" the image of the skyline would be flipped.

So no, it definitely is not refraction.
There is just so much wrong with what you just said there. I don't even know where to begin.

There is a circumference, but only in a 2D plane, not 3D like a sphere would be.....

The earth is a flat disk, not a ball.

The bible even says the earth is a CIRCLE...

Not a BALL........


King James Bible Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
You have just proved your lack of scholarship. The word for "circle" used in this verse in Isaiah is the Hebrew word "khug" and it's literal meaning of the word is "sphere" or "ball", the Italian word would be "globo", where we get he word "Globe" in English. The Bible teaches a "sphere" not a "disk".
 
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Seedz

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At 7.98 inches of curvature per mile the total amount at 40 miles would be 26.6 ft. The tallest building in Chicago is 1450 ft. At a distance of 40 miles there would be 1423 ft of building visible minus the amount of visual perception lost over that distance.

How do you guys dare to argue when you don't even know the basic math behind my claims?

All I ask is that you inform yourself, and then comment.

I have been studying this subject for over 3 years....
 
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Seedz

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#98
There is just so much wrong with what you just said there. I don't even know where to begin.



You have just proved your lack of scholarship. The word for "circle" used in this verse in Isaiah is the Hebrew word "khug" and it's literal meaning of the word is "sphere" or "ball", the Italian word would be "globo", where we get he word "Globe" in English. The Bible teaches a "sphere" not a "disk".

Please correct me, show me.

All translations say circle.

I don't trust your intellect because you don't understand what refraction is and how it applies to this conversation you brought up...
 
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Seedz

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There is just so much wrong with what you just said there. I don't even know where to begin.



You have just proved your lack of scholarship. The word for "circle" used in this verse in Isaiah is the Hebrew word "khug" and it's literal meaning of the word is "sphere" or "ball", the Italian word would be "globo", where we get he word "Globe" in English. The Bible teaches a "sphere" not a "disk".

To clarify:

All languages that the bible has been printed on, the word of choice is circle.

Not ball, not sphere, not anything else.

Scholars know these words pretty well and they also know the interpretations of said words within a particular context.

Look it up, in german, spanish, french....

It is circle.
 

Redeemed2015

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Please correct me, show me.
Such information has already been given to you in other comments on this thread as well as others. You simply won't listen to reason.

All translations say circle.
Really? All translations of the Hebrew "khug" say "circle". You really don't know what you are talking about when it comes to scholarship.

In Italian, Isaiah 40:22
22 Egli è colui che sta assiso sul globo della terra, e gli abitanti d’essa son per lui come locuste; egli distese i cieli come una cortina, e li spiega come una tenda per abitarvi;

"globo" means "sphere"/"ball", where we get the term "Globe"
And in Hebrew the LITERAL meaning of the word "khug" is "Sphere"/"ball".

"Khug" is not used in the Bible to describe a flat circle or a disk.
You cannot take what people wish this word to mean and then state that is how it was used by the writers of the Bible.

The Hebrew word for a flat circle, by the way is "cabab".
"So he had the ark of the LORD taken around the city, circling it once; then they came into the camp and spent the night in the camp"- Joshua 6:11