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Jackson123

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What I don't understand is your fascination with the Catholic faith. There are a lot of worse things that one can do than praying to Mary. No, I don't think that people should pray to Mary but I would also not say that my overall spiritual life is better than theirs or anyone else for that matter. We are all works in various stages of process.
Killing is bad, but to teach that killing is the Will of God is worse.

the problem with catholic is they teach againt God teaching by praying to Mary.

a pastor my commit adultery, and It is sin, but If he teach adultery is the Will of God It is worse.

Adam and eve not kill, or rape, he only Eat a food that God not want them to Eat. And God punish them with death penalty

what do you think a sin worse that teach againt the teaching of God.? Can you give me sampel?
 

Jackson123

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He will have to speak for himself whether or not he hates you but I can only say that I don't hate you. I really don't understand what you mean by the teaching of the pure gospel beyond that Jesus died for our sins on the cross and that we should love our neighbors as ourselves.
All the law of God is pure teaching of the Gospel including not bow Down before a statue
 

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Pope believe Mary able to protect him

Mother Mary holding John Paul II in Her arms when he was shot in 1981.(click on the picture for original sized image)This happened on May 13, 1981. Pope John Paul II was shot as he arrived in St. Peter’s Square to speak to the people who had gathered there. When he was shot, he was holding the rosary, which he always carried. When he fell to the ground, out of nowhere, a woman rushed to his side and embraced him. That pic is shown above. The picture is said to have been taken by one of the gathered people who was busy taking Pope’s pics with his camera. The woman vanished as quickly as she appeared.The gunman was apprehended in the square and sentenced to life in prison. The pope was critically wounded but survived after surgery and a long recovery. The surprising fact is that all the bullets passed just past his vital internal organs. When he recovered finally, the first thing Pope asked for was his rosary. When he got it in his hands,

he said that he felt Mother Mary directing the bullets’ path through him. Sure, John Paul II was always in the habit of praying the rosary regularly. He had once said “The best prayer I like is the Rosary”.


Read more at Mother Mary Holding John Paul II In Her Arms When He Was Shot Mother Mary Holding John Paul II In Her Arms When He Was Shot


let me repeat this sentence
he(pope) felt Mother Mary directing the bullet path through him

to me It is non biblical believe.

It mean pope believe Mary like God, her spirit has ability to protect bilions catholic, she must omni present like God

to exalt Mary AS a God is blasphemy


Interesting article, but let me get one thing straight that wasn't too clear to me when reading it; Is this article saying that that this same picture is actually a photograph? If so then hilariously you yourself testify of a miracle, I mean dang, that's like a heavy duty miracle if that is what actually happened. I had known their pope John Paul II, first one of my lifetime obviously and was in news when I was a kid had been shot in assassination attempt, but oh snap I did not know the Lord saved him like this that was an intense read! I will have to look more into this claim but very good article, good story anyways

On the topic of saying that Mary is a god, I don't think it's blasphemy. For some reason this topic makes me think of this passage, and not just for the topic of blasphemy, but also belief, miracles, the nature of the saints, the glory of Jesus, etc:

John 10:31-39

[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
[SUP]35 [/SUP]If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
 

Jackson123

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Interesting article, but let me get one thing straight that wasn't too clear to me when reading it; Is this article saying that that this same picture is actually a photograph? If so then hilariously you yourself testify of a miracle, I mean dang, that's like a heavy duty miracle if that is what actually happened. I had known their pope John Paul II, first one of my lifetime obviously and was in news when I was a kid had been shot in assassination attempt, but oh snap I did not know the Lord saved him like this that was an intense read! I will have to look more into this claim but very good article, good story anyways

On the topic of saying that Mary is a god, I don't think it's blasphemy. For some reason this topic makes me think of this passage, and not just for the topic of blasphemy, but also belief, miracles, the nature of the saints, the glory of Jesus, etc:

John 10:31-39

[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
[SUP]35 [/SUP]If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
so you believe Mary able to protect billions catholic?
 

Jackson123

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so you believe that God Wills Mary to protect billion of catholic? Or not sure?

if you believe God wills Mary soul to protect billion catholic, can you show me a verse to backup your teaching?
 

Ezekiel8

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so you believe that God Wills Mary to protect billion of catholic? Or not sure?

if you believe God wills Mary soul to protect billion catholic, can you show me a verse to backup your teaching?
I believe God's will shall prevail.

As for being sure or not it doesn't even matter my personal surety, I just believe God knows better. I don't know if God actually has Mary protect a billion Catholics or not as you say He does, but if he does, then may God's will prevail.

As for verses, sure, there is a way for God to use to Mary to save an great number of Christians. Sorry to be cliché, but spoiler alert, the way is Jesus:

Luke 1:26-33

[SUP]26 [/SUP]And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
 

Jackson123

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I believe God's will shall prevail.

As for being sure or not it doesn't even matter my personal surety, I just believe God knows better. I don't know if God actually has Mary protect a billion Catholics or not as you say He does, but if he does, then may God's will prevail.

As for verses, sure, there is a way for God to use to Mary to save an great number of Christians. Sorry to be cliché, but spoiler alert, the way is Jesus:

Luke 1:26-33

[SUP]26 [/SUP]And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
The bible say in those verse that Jesus Will born from Mary

Is there any verse that say God Will use Mary's soul to protect billion catholic?

or is there any verse that say, Mary soul has ability to protect billion catholic?
 

Ezekiel8

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The bible say in those verse that Jesus Will born from Mary

Is there any verse that say God Will use Mary's soul to protect billion catholic?

or is there any verse that say, Mary soul has ability to protect billion catholic?
Yes that is what those verses say indeed.

Funny enough there are answers to your questions, and in fact, they are in the immediate next passage of the same chapter of the same book. Praise the Lord, the prelude to the first real Christmas and the birth of the Salvation of God.

Luke 1:34-56

[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]For with God nothing shall be impossible.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
[SUP]44 [/SUP]For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
[SUP]48 [/SUP]For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
[SUP]50 [/SUP]And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
[SUP]51 [/SUP]He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
[SUP]52 [/SUP]He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.
[SUP]53 [/SUP]He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.
[SUP]54 [/SUP]He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
[SUP]55 [/SUP]As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
[SUP]56 [/SUP]And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
 

Jackson123

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Nothing worse than that, especially when one knows the truth but then tells those otherwise.
That is why, brother, teaching people can pray to Mary is a big sin.

teaching Mary able to protect and Mary is omnipresent and able to see or hear a billion catholic is exalt Mary AS level AS God

and It is sin.
 

Jackson123

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Yes that is what those verses say indeed.

Funny enough there are answers to your questions, and in fact, they are in the immediate next passage of the same chapter of the same book. Praise the Lord, the prelude to the first real Christmas and the birth of the Salvation of God.

Luke 1:34-56

[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]For with God nothing shall be impossible.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
[SUP]44 [/SUP]For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
[SUP]48 [/SUP]For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
[SUP]50 [/SUP]And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
[SUP]51 [/SUP]He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
[SUP]52 [/SUP]He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.
[SUP]53 [/SUP]He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.
[SUP]54 [/SUP]He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
[SUP]55 [/SUP]As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
[SUP]56 [/SUP]And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
what verse say Mary soul able to hear billion catholic.

what verse say Mary soul able to protect billion catholic.
 

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what verse say Mary soul able to hear billion catholic.

what verse say Mary soul able to protect billion catholic.
Well if you want me to just pick one:

Luke 1:46

[SUP]46 [/SUP]And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
 

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That is why, brother, teaching people can pray to Mary is a big sin.

teaching Mary able to protect and Mary is omnipresent and able to see or hear a billion catholic is exalt Mary AS level AS God

and It is sin.
I think that maybe those that teach to pray to Mary really don't know better and are lacking on spiritual knowledge of the Word of God. Mary is the mother of Jesus and should be respected as such but she was a human being and is now dead and can't hear or see anything. Knowingly, falsely teaching that Mary is on the same level of God would truly be sinful.
 
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Shortly after joining my church and getting baptized I made a visit to the Christian Research Institute in São Paulo - Brazil. I just wanted to verify that my church was biblically correct. The receptionist's first question was: "What is your denomination?". When I said "Christian Congregation" she frowned on me, as if I were the most despicable creature on earth.

The reason why she frowned on me was this: in my church there is no tithing, ministers are unpaid, they don't come from seminaries, women wear a veil, we believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, there is no room for politicians, we don't use the media, etc.

The lady told me to wait and she called someone on the phone. A few minutes later a guy came and started attacking me right off the bat. All I wanted was to hear the pros and cons against my church, but that guy was in no condition to help me at all because he obviously didn't have the Holy Ghost.

I had that guy calm down the best I could and soon we were talking in a more friendly way. Later on another guy came and when he learned that I was from the Christian Congregation he looked at me with contempt and started saying: "I am fluent in Hebrew and Koine Greek, I have a master's in theology, archeology, bla bla bla, ..."

Then, even later, a pastor came and treated me with an even greater contempt. That was the last straw! I thanked the first guy for his attention and went home. The lesson I learned was this: beware of CRI and the like.

Anyway, I would suggest the RCC to start a Catholic Biblical Movement. It's never too late to start searching for the truth.
I think cri is hank hanegraff.
An EXTREMELY nasty individual
 
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But, what was her response to the servants? Whatsoever He tells you to do, do it. She reverted back to her Son.
Plus the fact she is dead. There is zero she can do for anyone.
"We have an advocate with the Father,Jesus Christ the righteous..."
Two thrones in heaven. Neither occupant is willing to scoot over for Mary.
 

Jackson123

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Well if you want me to just pick one:

Luke 1:46

[SUP]46 [/SUP]And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
my soul magnify the Lord

you interprate Mary soul able to protect billion catholic?

If I sing : I magnify you Lord, mean I am able to protect billion people?
 

Jackson123

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I think that maybe those that teach to pray to Mary really don't know better and are lacking on spiritual knowledge of the Word of God. Mary is the mother of Jesus and should be respected as such but she was a human being and is now dead and can't hear or see anything. Knowingly, falsely teaching that Mary is on the same level of God would truly be sinful.
I 100% agree. ON some article I read pope believe Mary soul protect him, and my aunt believe so, because her priest was priech that sermon and ask his follower to thanks to mother Mary for protecting Pope.
 

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my soul magnify the Lord

you interprate Mary soul able to protect billion catholic?

If I sing : I magnify you Lord, mean I am able to protect billion people?
I have not said that is how I interpret it, but I mean if I have to pick one verse I think that the best one, the next one after it is good too, as well as the whole section and the whole chapter I think.

Are you able indeed?

John 14:12

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
 

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Did you know that not even once in the bible did God or Jesus tell anyone to pray to mary magdalene.?
Remembering her is one thing,as a follower of Jesus as well as his mot
her but anything beyond acknowledging her as such by praying to or praising her is idolatry,respecting her and admiring her,are quite alright,just as with any followers of God/Jesus,but God is to be put first and mary is not to be sought,Jesus is the only mediator and high priest between God and us,her name and actions are worth remembering,but despite this just as Moses and even David whom both God loved are not to be asked for wisdom or intervention for usGod,lest one mock God/Jesus.
For Jesus to instruct people to ask Mary for intercession while she is walking around on earth would be stupid. They can ask her directly.
Those claiming Catholics worship Mary are ignorant and insulting. There is not a single document in a 2000 year period where Catholics are instructed to worship Mary. It is a big fat lie and a heresy.
Assuming Catholics believe Mary replaces Jesus as sole mediator is founded on ignorance of what sole mediator means.

Can Jesus protect billions of Christians? The question is no less absurd than the childish question, "Can Mary protect billions of Catholics? Mary is not a magician, and neither is Jesus.







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