GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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This is NOT true at all and very sad to see people like you saying things like this gb9 especially considering I have made every effort to answer all your posts and the posts of your friends. The reason I have only just now stopped responding to the questions of some is because from the start when I ask questions and send posts supported by scripture nearly everyone of them are ignored. I also mentioned to those asking the recent questions that I would be happy to continue provided that my questions and posts were answered as well and NOT ignored. All you and your friends do is once any of your posts are answered is to immediately change the topic attack the poster and seek to find more ways to lay snares. Your the one with the agenda. I am only here to share God's Word and it is on the Word of God I stand.
May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.
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This can never be a stand alone statement because is written within the context of a larger text (the scripture)
Exodus 20:16
Thou shalt not bear false witness (lie)
If you gave this statement to someone who had no knowledge of scripture or the commandments, I think it would mean very little unless you explained a lot more to the person about the context.
You say there is no context but there is, every single line is connected to another in any form of writing, whether it is a narrative, descriptive. persuasive or expository.
As well I would also venture to state that....
Your knowledge, your bias, your beliefs about scripture are already intertwined with the statement so your interpretation is based on a personal context even though you may deny it.
Exodus 20:16
Thou shalt not bear false witness (lie)
If you gave this statement to someone who had no knowledge of scripture or the commandments, I think it would mean very little unless you explained a lot more to the person about the context.
You say there is no context but there is, every single line is connected to another in any form of writing, whether it is a narrative, descriptive. persuasive or expository.
As well I would also venture to state that....
Your knowledge, your bias, your beliefs about scripture are already intertwined with the statement so your interpretation is based on a personal context even though you may deny it.
Hello UG,
I am NOT saying what you are suggesting above at all, maybe you need to re-read my earlier posts. All I am saying in summary is the CONTEXT is of course important in considering interpretation but CONTEXT does not ALWAYS change the INTERPRETATION of scripture when the scripture is a STAND ALONE STATEMENT! I am not talking to someone that has never read God's Word am I? So how does saying this suport what your saying above? The statement is true whatever your bias may be. It is the Word of God and we should BELIEVE it.
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Not a witness against His eternal rest but a witness to protect them as shadows used in ceremonial laws .Paganism is those who walk by sight. They would try and develop those ceremonial laws that govern ceremonies as if they were moral laws that governed morals .
Its why in the two places that the ten commandments are given both have a different reasons to keep the ceremonial law.
Both parables pointing to the word rest. Not a time sensitive word. No parables are used in lieu of moral laws as that which we can lovingly judge one another .
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.Exo 20:10
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.Deuteronomy 5
The difference seems obvious.
The time of reformation has come the shadows found in ceremonial laws have provided a glimpse of the gospel of Christ that worked in the Old testament saints as shadows of the suffering of Christ beforehand hand . The veil is rent as the glory that was to come.
A good understanding of the ceremonial laws makes the gospel just that much more clearer.
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.1Pe 1:9
The above is the purpose for all the ceremonial laws preach the gospel beforehand.
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What I am saying is....... there are no stand alone statements.
Every statement has meaning that is tied to the larger story or discourse
Every single statement has a context and the interpretation is within a context.
Interpretation is understanding the meaning of the statement within the larger context of the narrative
Though shall not bear false witness has meaning only within the context of the who, what, when, where, how and why.
What you are really saying is that this statement is a black and white type statement.
However, again I would say that judgement/interpretation can only be made by knowing the context of the statement first.
But, I could be more inclined to agree the it is an black white type statement (for lack of a better phrase) rather that saying it is a stand alone statement
Every statement has meaning that is tied to the larger story or discourse
Every single statement has a context and the interpretation is within a context.
Interpretation is understanding the meaning of the statement within the larger context of the narrative
Though shall not bear false witness has meaning only within the context of the who, what, when, where, how and why.
What you are really saying is that this statement is a black and white type statement.
However, again I would say that judgement/interpretation can only be made by knowing the context of the statement first.
But, I could be more inclined to agree the it is an black white type statement (for lack of a better phrase) rather that saying it is a stand alone statement
Hello UG,
I am not disagreeing with you. As I posted earlier, CONTEXT is important but CONTEXT does not always effect interpretation of a scripture. The interpretation of Isaiah 8:20 when it was used in post # 1324 linked here has not been changed as well as in the example given in post # 1337 linked so it's use is fine as it is in reference to God's Law and its interpretation is the same as it is written within it's own context.
Thats exactly what Ellen white said as well.. and yet she was a false prophet.
Of course you say you rely on gods word, according to SDA/Sabbatarians Ellen G white writings and failed prophecies are inspired..in other words..gods word - that's your deception!
Please Phil,
Go ahead if you believe that I am posting deception please post one post of mine that you believe is "deception" and let's discuss it and let God's Word be the judge. If you cannot maybe you need to re-consider what it is you believe? Only God's Word is true and it is only on the Word that I stand and point all who believe to because it is ONLY in God's Word that any can know the truth. If you do not know God's Word you do not know the truth and if you do not know the truth then pointing people away from God's Word to the word of website and teachings of men only makes you a blind leader of the blind and if the blind shall lead the blind both shall fall into a ditch.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
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Hi LGF,
Many people have pointed out your errors and blatant disregard for the context of scripture. But we know why! Because you do so within the framework of SDA teaching, which includes false and failed prophecies..this false prophets' writings are deemed as inspired by SDA/Sabbatarians, there for the SDA teaching is corrupt!
11. I know and understand the fundamental Bible principles as taught by the Seventh-day AdventistChurch. It is my purpose, by the grace of God, to order my life in harmony with these principles.
Taken from SDA baptismal vows: http://www.gatewaysda.org/ResourcesFiles/OFFICIAL_SDA_BAPTISMAL_VOWS.pdf
Hi LGF,
Many people have pointed out your errors and blatant disregard for the context of scripture. But we know why! Because you do so within the framework of SDA teaching, which includes false and failed prophecies..this false prophets' writings are deemed as inspired by SDA/Sabbatarians, there for the SDA teaching is corrupt!
11. I know and understand the fundamental Bible principles as taught by the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It is my purpose, by the grace of God, to order my life in harmony with these principles.
13. I accept that the Seventh-day Church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy, and that people of every nation, race, and language are invited and accepted into its fellowship. I desire to be a member in this local congregation of the world church.
Taken from SDA baptismal vows: http://www.gatewaysda.org/ResourcesFiles/OFFICIAL_SDA_BAPTISMAL_VOWS.pdf
Really Phil? Then please post something that I have posted in error and out of context that changes interpretation of God's Word and let's discuss it and let God's Word be the judge. If you cannot maybe you need to re-consider what it is you believe?
Only God's Word is true and it is only on the Word that I stand and point all who believe to because it is ONLY in God's Word that any can know the truth. If you do not know God's Word you do not know the truth and if you do not know the truth then pointing people away from God's Word to the word of website and teachings of men only makes you a blind leader of the blind and if the blind shall lead the blind both shall fall into a ditch.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
Hi LGF,
nearly every post.
It is your SDA' Sabbatarian framework of thinking that brings you to your Sabbath keeping conclusions, here is an example from the SDA Baptismal Vows:
6. I accept the Ten Commandments as still binding upon Christians; and it is my purpose by the power of the indwelling Christ, to keep this law, including the fourth commandment, which requires the observance of the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath of the Lord (SDA Baptismal vow).
So we know that your understanding is based on an organisation that says a failed and false prophetess writings are the inspired words of god... here we see how SDA adherents use the lense of SDA doctrine to interpret scripture.. so your claims that you do not follow mans teaching are deceptive and dangerous, because of the false SDA teaching.
11. I know and understand the fundamental Bible principles as taught by the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It is my purpose, by the grace of God, to order my life in harmony with these principles.
13. I accept that the Seventh-day Church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy, and that people of every nation, race, and language are invited and accepted into its fellowship. I desire to be a member in this local congregation of the world church.
Taken from SDA baptismal vows:http://www.gatewaysda.org/ResourcesFiles/OFFICIAL_SDA_BAPTISMAL_VOWS.pdf
So I guess that means you cannot find one post of mine that is deception and errors as you claim, and you do not want to discuss any of them using the scriptures? If that is the case all your doing right now is making lot's of empty accusations backed by no proof as you do not provide any examples and also refuse to talk about them using God's Word. There must be one post you can use Phil to support your claims I have made close to 1600 posts?
Like I said earlier if you cannot provide any posts and refuse to support your claims with scripture maybe you need to re-consider what it is you believe?
Only God's Word is true and it is only on the Word that I stand and point all who believe to because it is ONLY in God's Word that any can know the truth. If you do not know God's Word you do not know the truth and if you do not know the truth then pointing people away from God's Word to the word of website and teachings of men only makes you a blind leader of the blind and if the blind shall lead the blind both shall fall into a ditch.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
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Hi LGF
As I said almost in every post we can see your SDA framework.. I don't to point to any particular one..I could say all your posts!!
We cannot trust your views on scripture because your scriptural framework is based on an organisation who heralds a false and failed prophetess as inspired.
6. I accept the Ten Commandments as still binding upon Christians; and it is my purpose by the power of the indwelling Christ, to keep this law, including the fourth commandment, which requires the observance of the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath of the Lord (SDA Baptismal vow).
So we know that your understanding is based on an organisation that says a failed and false prophetess writings are the inspired words of god... here we see how SDA adherents use the lense of SDA doctrine to interpret scripture.. so your claims that you do not follow mans teaching are deceptive and dangerous, because of the false SDA teaching.
11. I know and understand the fundamental Bible principles as taught by the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It is my purpose, by the grace of God, to order my life in harmony with these principles.
13. I accept that the Seventh-day Church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy, and that people of every nation, race, and language are invited and accepted into its fellowship. I desire to be a member in this local congregation of the world church.
Taken from SDA baptismal vows:http://www.gatewaysda.org/ResourcesF...ISMAL_VOWS.pdf
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Take for example this horrendous man made doctrine:
SATAN BEARS OUR SINS
"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).
"Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 475.
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Really Phil, then please show me one post that I have posted as an example of what it is your saying and let's discuss it. If you cannot then like I said earlier if you can't provide any posts that support your claims with scripture then maybe you need to re-consider what it is you believe?
Only God's Word is true and it is only on the Word that I stand and point all who believe to because it is ONLY in God's Word that any can know the truth. If you do not know God's Word you do not know the truth and if you do not know the truth then pointing people away from God's Word to the word of website and teachings of men only makes you a blind leader of the blind and if the blind shall lead the blind both shall fall into a ditch.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
Hi LGF
As I said almost in every post we can see your SDA framework.. I don't to point to any particular one..I could say all your posts!! When we see the horrendous doctrine of man below that SDA believe we know you cannot handle scripture truthfully.
We cannot trust your views on scripture because your scriptural framework is based on an organisation who heralds a false and failed prophetess as inspired.
6. I accept the Ten Commandments as still binding upon Christians; and it is my purpose by the power of the indwelling Christ, to keep this law, including the fourth commandment, which requires the observance of the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath of the Lord (SDA Baptismal vow).
So we know that your understanding is based on an organisation that says a failed and false prophetess writings are the inspired words of god... here we see how SDA adherents use the lense of SDA doctrine to interpret scripture.. so your claims that you do not follow mans teaching are deceptive and dangerous, because of the false SDA teaching.
11. I know and understand the fundamental Bible principles as taught by the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It is my purpose, by the grace of God, to order my life in harmony with these principles.
13. I accept that the Seventh-day Church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy, and that people of every nation, race, and language are invited and accepted into its fellowship. I desire to be a member in this local congregation of the world church.
Taken from SDA baptismal vows:http://www.gatewaysda.org/ResourcesF...ISMAL_VOWS.pdf
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Take for example this horrendous man made doctrine:
SATAN BEARS OUR SINS
"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).
"Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 475.
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Yes Phil you did say that but you have still not been able to provide me with one post that I have made that is as you call deception and error and you also refuse to provide one post that has any relevance to what it is your talking about and you refuse to discuss your topics using scripture unless you can copy and paste it from another website. How does that prove you know God's Word and everyone should believe you over the Word of God?
Now like I have said more then a few times already, if you cannot provide one example of any post that I have made that supports your claims of error and deception then why are you making such claims if you cannot prove what it is your trying to say?
Like I said earlier if you can't provide any posts that support your claims and refuse to prove your claims using scripture then maybe you need to re-consider what it is you believe?
Only God's Word is true and it is only on the Word that I stand and point all who believe to because it is ONLY in God's Word that any can know the truth. If you do not know God's Word you do not know the truth and if you do not know the truth then pointing people away from God's Word to the word of website and teachings of men only makes you a blind leader of the blind and if the blind shall lead the blind both shall fall into a ditch.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
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Hi LGF,
None of your posts can be taken as credible.. for your scripture framework is through the lense of SDA/Sabbatarian man made doctrine,not biblical teaching:
11. I know and understand the fundamental Bible principles as taught by the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It is my purpose, by the grace of God, to order my life in harmony with these principles.
We can also see how SDA/Sabbatarians misuse scripture:
Take for example this horrendous man made doctrine:
SATAN BEARS OUR SINS
"It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added).
"Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 475.
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