GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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That is true but it has nothing to do with the use of ceremonial laws that govern ceremonies and not moral laws that govern morals of the whole world.. The apostate Jews were known for turning things upside down in that way.Requiring a sign they could perform, therefore they stumbled over the cross trying to prove they were worthy .
Different rendering as to the reason for the rest in the Deuteronomy 5 account.
Two different historically true parables are used as reasons. One in respect to the foundation, the lamb of God slain during the foundation related to the rest we have on the seventh day . The other in respect to the historically true parable involving Egypt used to typify this world and entering the promised land typifying the new Jerusalem in the new heavens and earth .
They are ceremonial laws not moral laws ,.Something the Judaizers try and avoid as far as there true purpose to act as shadows. You could say those who sought after a sign as shadow worshipers. .
What do you say the purpose for ceremonial laws are? ..Can we keep a shadow? Can we judge one another in respect to shadows of the true ?
Different rendering as to the reason for the rest in the Deuteronomy 5 account.
Two different historically true parables are used as reasons. One in respect to the foundation, the lamb of God slain during the foundation related to the rest we have on the seventh day . The other in respect to the historically true parable involving Egypt used to typify this world and entering the promised land typifying the new Jerusalem in the new heavens and earth .
They are ceremonial laws not moral laws ,.Something the Judaizers try and avoid as far as there true purpose to act as shadows. You could say those who sought after a sign as shadow worshipers. .
What do you say the purpose for ceremonial laws are? ..Can we keep a shadow? Can we judge one another in respect to shadows of the true ?
Hi gb9,
I really did find this post of yours to be very amusing, considering I have always been the one answering everyone's questions and posts from the start.
I have made every effort to answer all your posts and the posts of your friends. The reason I have only just now stopped responding to the questions of some is because from the start when I ask questions and send posts supported by scripture nearly everyone of them are ignored.
I also mentioned to those asking the recent questions that I would be happy to continue provided that my questions and posts were answered as well and NOT ignored. That is not an unreasonable request is it?
All you and your friends do is once any of your posts are answered you ignore the post that answers your questions and immediately change the topic, attack the poster and seek to find more ways to lay snares. I am only here to share God's Word and it is on the Word of God I stand.
If anyone wants to share God's Word let's do so in the Spirit of LOVE and Grace.
May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.
I really did find this post of yours to be very amusing, considering I have always been the one answering everyone's questions and posts from the start.
I have made every effort to answer all your posts and the posts of your friends. The reason I have only just now stopped responding to the questions of some is because from the start when I ask questions and send posts supported by scripture nearly everyone of them are ignored.
I also mentioned to those asking the recent questions that I would be happy to continue provided that my questions and posts were answered as well and NOT ignored. That is not an unreasonable request is it?
All you and your friends do is once any of your posts are answered you ignore the post that answers your questions and immediately change the topic, attack the poster and seek to find more ways to lay snares. I am only here to share God's Word and it is on the Word of God I stand.
If anyone wants to share God's Word let's do so in the Spirit of LOVE and Grace.
May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.
Sorry garee,
Please forgive me, I am not ignoring you. It is late my time, but I will respond latter when I have some more time ok
. It seems you have God's Law (10 commandments) mixed up with the Mosaic laws for remission of sin. Let's talk scripture further when I am back online.
Good night (my time) for now
Please forgive me, I am not ignoring you. It is late my time, but I will respond latter when I have some more time ok
. It seems you have God's Law (10 commandments) mixed up with the Mosaic laws for remission of sin. Let's talk scripture further when I am back online. Good night (my time) for now
Grandpa you are a funny one indeed.
Thanks for sharing the lovely scriptures they are all wonderful but I must ask you again my friend what is your point again? None of us are telling you that we are saved by the Works of the Law. If none of us are telling you that you are saved by the works of the Law then you have nothing to argue about have you?
You always post the same things despite everyone always telling you that we believe that we are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of OURSELVES it is a GIFT OF GOD and not of WORKS Lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8)
It's never been about following the law its always been about following Christ by faith through love alone. Faith that works by love is what fulfills God's Law in those that walk in His Spirit (Romans 13:8-10).
Obedience is only the fruit of faith and a sign that someone is genuinely following God's Word (Matthew 7:17-27). If you seek obedience without faith you will never attain it because this is the gift of God written on the heart (Ephesians 2:8; Galatians 2:16; Hebrews 8:10-12).
But if you believe God's Word, your faith will be counted for righteousness in God's eyes (Romans 1:17; Philippians 3:9). If your faith does not have the fruit of obedience (God's work in you) than you are still in your sins and have not seen him or known him and your faith is dead (Philippians 2:13; Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:3-9).
What we are talking about is SIN and how SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom. If you profess to have saving FAITH but your faith does NOT have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Word then your faith is DEAD and you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE all as he first LOVED us. LOVE is the fulfilling of the LAW in those who walk by FAITH in God's Spirit. (James 2:18; 20; 26; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 7:13-20)
There are only two classes of people spoken about in God's Word. These are those that follow God by Faith through LOVE and those that do not. Those that do NOT BELIEVE have rejected His Word. Those that have NOT Heard the WORD are ignorant and God winks at. Those that have heard the Word however and have rejected God's Word are UNBELIEVERS and unless they repent and confess their SINS they WILL NOT Enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
Thanks for sharing the lovely scriptures they are all wonderful but I must ask you again my friend what is your point again? None of us are telling you that we are saved by the Works of the Law. If none of us are telling you that you are saved by the works of the Law then you have nothing to argue about have you?
You always post the same things despite everyone always telling you that we believe that we are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of OURSELVES it is a GIFT OF GOD and not of WORKS Lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8)
It's never been about following the law its always been about following Christ by faith through love alone. Faith that works by love is what fulfills God's Law in those that walk in His Spirit (Romans 13:8-10).
Obedience is only the fruit of faith and a sign that someone is genuinely following God's Word (Matthew 7:17-27). If you seek obedience without faith you will never attain it because this is the gift of God written on the heart (Ephesians 2:8; Galatians 2:16; Hebrews 8:10-12).
But if you believe God's Word, your faith will be counted for righteousness in God's eyes (Romans 1:17; Philippians 3:9). If your faith does not have the fruit of obedience (God's work in you) than you are still in your sins and have not seen him or known him and your faith is dead (Philippians 2:13; Hebrews 10:26-27; 1 John 2:2-4; 1 John 3:3-9).
What we are talking about is SIN and how SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's Kingdom. If you profess to have saving FAITH but your faith does NOT have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's Word then your faith is DEAD and you are still in your SINS and do not KNOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE all as he first LOVED us. LOVE is the fulfilling of the LAW in those who walk by FAITH in God's Spirit. (James 2:18; 20; 26; Romans 13:8-10; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 7:13-20)
There are only two classes of people spoken about in God's Word. These are those that follow God by Faith through LOVE and those that do not. Those that do NOT BELIEVE have rejected His Word. Those that have NOT Heard the WORD are ignorant and God winks at. Those that have heard the Word however and have rejected God's Word are UNBELIEVERS and unless they repent and confess their SINS they WILL NOT Enter into God's Kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27)
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
Or do you not know that this is talking about going back to your works of the law after coming to Christ?
THE WARNING FROM GOD'S WORD TO KNOW IF SOMEONE IS FROM GOD OR NOT
Those who point people to the word of men over the WORD OF GOD are following in the footsteps of the the father of LIES and only repeating the FIRST LIE told in the GARDEN of EDEN..............
Let's see why....................................
Gen 3:1,
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2-3,
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4,
AND THE SERPENT SAID UNTO THE WOMEN YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE: <WARNING BELLS: WHAT IS BEING SAID HERE IS THAT IF YOU BREAK THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE>
Gen 3:5,
God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Key points from scripture...........................
· The original deceiver the devil (v1)
· Eve told the serpent that God commanded them not to touch or eat the fruit lest they die (v 2-3)
· The serpent lied to Eve saying that you will not surely die if you don’t do what God asks. You will be like God knowing good and evil (v 4-5).
Putting it all together:
The fall of mankind was from the original lie (John 8:44; 1John 3:8). When God commanded mankind to follow him lest they die. The Devil’’s original lie was that you can break God’s Law and not die. The teachings of many false religions today is the same as the original lie. If God asks us to do something and you do not do it…. “Ye shall not surely die” (Gen 3:4). But God's Word says we will die if we break God's Law (Rom 6:23). Who do we follow God or man?
WARNING: ANY MAN OR WEBSITE THE SAYS YOU CAN BREAK GOD'S TEN COMMANDMENTS AND YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE IS ONLY REPEATING THE ORIGINAL LIE OF THE FATHER OF LIES STARTED IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN......
1 John 3
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him SINS not: whosoever SINS hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11, For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abides in death.
15, Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Note: The CONTEXT of 1 John 3:21-24 is GOD’S 10 commandments defining SIN which is transgression of God’s LAW (1 John 3:4; James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20) CONTEXT is saying that those that BREAK God’s LAW do NOT KNOW GOD (v6) Don’t let anyone DECEIVE you because those who BREAK God’s LAW are from the DEVIL (v7-8). If you are BORN OF GOD you will NOT practice SIN (v9). NOT BREAKING God’s COMMANDMENTS is a SIGN if someone is FOLLOWING GOD or NOT FOLLOWING GOD (v10) LOVE is the fulfilling of God’s LAW (v11; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12) Then it is talking about hate and MURDER (v 12-15; Exodus 20:13 the 6th Commandment)
This is a simple test above and below to know if someone is from God or not.................
Isa 8:20,
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
Those who point people to the word of men over the WORD OF GOD are following in the footsteps of the the father of LIES and only repeating the FIRST LIE told in the GARDEN of EDEN..............
Let's see why....................................
Gen 3:1,
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2-3,
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4,
AND THE SERPENT SAID UNTO THE WOMEN YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE: <WARNING BELLS: WHAT IS BEING SAID HERE IS THAT IF YOU BREAK THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE>
Gen 3:5,
God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Key points from scripture...........................
· The original deceiver the devil (v1)
· Eve told the serpent that God commanded them not to touch or eat the fruit lest they die (v 2-3)
· The serpent lied to Eve saying that you will not surely die if you don’t do what God asks. You will be like God knowing good and evil (v 4-5).
Putting it all together:
The fall of mankind was from the original lie (John 8:44; 1John 3:8). When God commanded mankind to follow him lest they die. The Devil’’s original lie was that you can break God’s Law and not die. The teachings of many false religions today is the same as the original lie. If God asks us to do something and you do not do it…. “Ye shall not surely die” (Gen 3:4). But God's Word says we will die if we break God's Law (Rom 6:23). Who do we follow God or man?
WARNING: ANY MAN OR WEBSITE THE SAYS YOU CAN BREAK GOD'S TEN COMMANDMENTS AND YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE IS ONLY REPEATING THE ORIGINAL LIE OF THE FATHER OF LIES STARTED IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN......
1 John 3
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abides in him SINS not: whosoever SINS hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits SIN IS OF THE DEVIL; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11, For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abides in death.
15, Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Note: The CONTEXT of 1 John 3:21-24 is GOD’S 10 commandments defining SIN which is transgression of God’s LAW (1 John 3:4; James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20) CONTEXT is saying that those that BREAK God’s LAW do NOT KNOW GOD (v6) Don’t let anyone DECEIVE you because those who BREAK God’s LAW are from the DEVIL (v7-8). If you are BORN OF GOD you will NOT practice SIN (v9). NOT BREAKING God’s COMMANDMENTS is a SIGN if someone is FOLLOWING GOD or NOT FOLLOWING GOD (v10) LOVE is the fulfilling of God’s LAW (v11; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12) Then it is talking about hate and MURDER (v 12-15; Exodus 20:13 the 6th Commandment)
This is a simple test above and below to know if someone is from God or not.................
Isa 8:20,
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
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SDA's play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach salvation by grace through faith, but they redefine this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine.
Though they often deny this, they teach that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).
Though they often deny this, they teach that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).
SDA's play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach salvation by grace through faith, but they redefine this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine.
Though they often deny this, they teach that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).
Though they often deny this, they teach that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).
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Sorry garee,
Please forgive me, I am not ignoring you. It is late my time, but I will respond latter when I have some more time ok. It seems you have God's Law (10 commandments) mixed up with the Mosaic laws for remission of sin. Let's talk scripture further when I am back online.
Good night (my time) for now
Please forgive me, I am not ignoring you. It is late my time, but I will respond latter when I have some more time ok
. It seems you have God's Law (10 commandments) mixed up with the Mosaic laws for remission of sin. Let's talk scripture further when I am back online. Good night (my time) for now
Thanks for the reply looking forward to sharing your ideas.
It’s all Levitical law "of the Levites (priestly class)".
The Three-Fold Division of the Law. The Levitical law may be subdivided into three categories: These are,. 1. Ceremonial Law. 2. Judicial / Civil Law. 3. Moral Law. This three-fold division is by no means a modern idea invented to dodge around laws but define what kind of law is in view. The forth law is put together differently than the moral laws .
Different reasons are given of the forth commandment in Exodus 20 from that of Deuteronomy 5. Why?
here is some info for you on this subject
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azazel
Seventh-day Adventists[edit]
A depiction of Azazel in his familiar form of a goat-like demon,
from Jacques Collin de Plancy's Dictionnaire Infernal (Paris, 1825).
The Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches that the scapegoat,
or Azazel, is a symbol for Satan.
This was commonly taught among Christians of other centuries as well.
[23] The scapegoat scenario has been interpreted to be a prefigure of the final judgment by which sin is removed forever from the universe. Through the sacrifice of Jesus, the sins of the believers are forgiven them, but the fact that sins were committed still exist on record in the "Books" of heaven (see Revelation 20:12). After the final judgment, the responsibility for all those forgiven sins are accredited to the originator of sin, Satan, after which Satan is destroyed in the Lake of Fire. Sin will no longer exist anywhere.[24]
They believe that Satan will finally have to bear the responsibility for the sins of the believers of all ages, and that this was foreshadowed on the Day of Atonement when the high priest confessed the sins of Israel over the head of the scapegoat (Leviticus 16:21).
Some critics have accused Adventists of giving Satan the status of sin-bearer alongside Jesus Christ. Adventists have responded by insisting that Satan is not a saviour, nor does he provide atonement for sin; Christ alone is the substitutionary sacrifice for sin, but holds no responsibility for it. In the final judgment, responsibility for sin is passed back to Satan who first caused mankind to sin. As the responsible party, Satan receives the wages for his sin – namely, death. Jesus alone bore the wage of death for the sinful world, while the guilt of sin is ultimately disposed of on Satan who carried the responsibility of "leading the whole world astray." Thus, the unsaved are held responsible for their own sin, while the saved depend on Christ's righteousness.
[25] The SDA Sabbath School quarterly, 2013 asks the question,
"Does Satan then play a role in our salvation, as some falsely charge we teach?
Of course not. Satan never, in any way, bears sin for us as a substitute.
Jesus alone has done that, and it is blasphemy to think that Satan had any part
in our redemption."[26]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azazel
Seventh-day Adventists[edit]
A depiction of Azazel in his familiar form of a goat-like demon,
from Jacques Collin de Plancy's Dictionnaire Infernal (Paris, 1825).
The Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches that the scapegoat,
or Azazel, is a symbol for Satan.
This was commonly taught among Christians of other centuries as well.
[23] The scapegoat scenario has been interpreted to be a prefigure of the final judgment by which sin is removed forever from the universe. Through the sacrifice of Jesus, the sins of the believers are forgiven them, but the fact that sins were committed still exist on record in the "Books" of heaven (see Revelation 20:12). After the final judgment, the responsibility for all those forgiven sins are accredited to the originator of sin, Satan, after which Satan is destroyed in the Lake of Fire. Sin will no longer exist anywhere.[24]
They believe that Satan will finally have to bear the responsibility for the sins of the believers of all ages, and that this was foreshadowed on the Day of Atonement when the high priest confessed the sins of Israel over the head of the scapegoat (Leviticus 16:21).
Some critics have accused Adventists of giving Satan the status of sin-bearer alongside Jesus Christ. Adventists have responded by insisting that Satan is not a saviour, nor does he provide atonement for sin; Christ alone is the substitutionary sacrifice for sin, but holds no responsibility for it. In the final judgment, responsibility for sin is passed back to Satan who first caused mankind to sin. As the responsible party, Satan receives the wages for his sin – namely, death. Jesus alone bore the wage of death for the sinful world, while the guilt of sin is ultimately disposed of on Satan who carried the responsibility of "leading the whole world astray." Thus, the unsaved are held responsible for their own sin, while the saved depend on Christ's righteousness.
[25] The SDA Sabbath School quarterly, 2013 asks the question,
"Does Satan then play a role in our salvation, as some falsely charge we teach?
Of course not. Satan never, in any way, bears sin for us as a substitute.
Jesus alone has done that, and it is blasphemy to think that Satan had any part
in our redemption."[26]
the English word scapegoat signifies “one who bears blame or guilt for
But scapegoat is an English word, and is not a translation of the Hebrew word Azazel.
The word scapegoat, and the meaning attached to this English word, is not
a translation of the Hebrew word Azazel, it is not the word inspired originally.
“Azazel is understood to be the name of one of those malignant demons.”
Now one lot was for the Lord—this goat typified Christ—but the
other lot was not for the Lord, did not typify Christ, but Azazel—Satan!
The real cause—the actual author of those sins—was Satan the devil.
Is it justice for Christ to bear guilt that is not His, while the devil goes off scot-free?
The Azazel Goat was Not, and is Not Our Sin-Bearer -
but he will bear the Guilt of what he has done, not our sins.
The Day of Atonement pictures the Second Coming of Christ,
at-one-ment - A shadow of the judgment and punishment of Satan the Devil.
Christ, who will place the guilt of the sins He bore on their author, the devil,
and who will send him away alive into a desolate uninhabited wilderness—
the “bottomless pit,” or abyss, of Revelation 20:3.
"and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:"
Heaven is neither uninhabited, nor a wilderness.
vs 23-24- then the high priest had to wash and change clothes ,
like they had just come in contact with something that was unclean and evil.
But scapegoat is an English word, and is not a translation of the Hebrew word Azazel.
The word scapegoat, and the meaning attached to this English word, is not
a translation of the Hebrew word Azazel, it is not the word inspired originally.
“Azazel is understood to be the name of one of those malignant demons.”
Now one lot was for the Lord—this goat typified Christ—but the
other lot was not for the Lord, did not typify Christ, but Azazel—Satan!
The real cause—the actual author of those sins—was Satan the devil.
Is it justice for Christ to bear guilt that is not His, while the devil goes off scot-free?
The Azazel Goat was Not, and is Not Our Sin-Bearer -
but he will bear the Guilt of what he has done, not our sins.
The Day of Atonement pictures the Second Coming of Christ,
at-one-ment - A shadow of the judgment and punishment of Satan the Devil.
Christ, who will place the guilt of the sins He bore on their author, the devil,
and who will send him away alive into a desolate uninhabited wilderness—
the “bottomless pit,” or abyss, of Revelation 20:3.
"and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:"
Heaven is neither uninhabited, nor a wilderness.
vs 23-24- then the high priest had to wash and change clothes ,
like they had just come in contact with something that was unclean and evil.
SDA's play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach salvation by grace through faith, but they redefine this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine.
Though they often deny this, they teach that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).
Though they often deny this, they teach that salvation is by grace plus law, faith plus works. Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).
You know its really not all that hard to grasp. Most Christians believe that the law is fulfilled by the love of God shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit.
The reason you don't steal is not because the law said Don't steal,but rather because Gods Love changes us. The law only served to show us we needed Gods love and salvation.
No one calls that works do they.
Well the same goes for the Sabbath, we don't keep it because the law said remember the Sabbath day. All that did was show us our sin when we were not keeping it. Rather when the love of God is in our hearts there is a natural desire to be part of the Sabbath day God made.
Same thing, to call that works and not the rest is changing definitions that the bible does not do. This kind of thinking defies reason and common sense.
It's absolutely true.
It is true that the love of God has been poured out into the hearts of believers by the Holy Spirit who was given to us (Romans 5:5).
Galatians 3:24 - Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
So you would call obeying the law not works? "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).
The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.
Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
You just proved my point about professing to teach salvation by grace through faith, but then redefining this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine. It's still grace plus law, faith plus works/subtle mixture of law and grace no matter how much you try to sugar coat it.
It is true that the love of God has been poured out into the hearts of believers by the Holy Spirit who was given to us (Romans 5:5).
Galatians 3:24 - Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
So you would call obeying the law not works? "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).
The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.
Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
You just proved my point about professing to teach salvation by grace through faith, but then redefining this in a way that is contrary to New Testament doctrine. It's still grace plus law, faith plus works/subtle mixture of law and grace no matter how much you try to sugar coat it.
Well, since no one will answer my simple question, apparently, if he is SDA, why keep asking that and/or bringing it up. Just curious. It seems like harassment, but he must not mind, because he keeps coming back. I just don't know that he is. Some people think I am SDA, but I'm not. Because I observe Sabbath, I went to an SDA church once.
I believe that He is G-D. Kind of hard to deny that when the Bible says it so clearly.
I believe in the Father, the Son, and the H Spirit.
No, I am not "under the Law."
I do Sabbath.
I believe that He is G-D. Kind of hard to deny that when the Bible says it so clearly.
I believe in the Father, the Son, and the H Spirit.
No, I am not "under the Law."
I do Sabbath.
There are basically three major groups or movements that teach that People can please God by their own efforts.
1) The Russelists who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses. Started by Charles Russel in the late 19th century
2) The Seventh day Adventists Started by E. G. White in the late 19th century.
3) The Hebrew Roots movement Started by Rico Cortes less than 25 years ago
All three movements are the products of people teaching against the beliefs of mainstream Christian belief and practice.
2 Pe 1:20-2:2
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
KJV
So, we are faced with 2 possibilities:
1) God is such a poor communicator that He allowed His Church to languish in confusion for nearly 1900 years.
2) Mr Russel, Ms White, and Mr Cortes all got it wrong.
I find the first possibility totally unacceptable.
1) The Russelists who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses. Started by Charles Russel in the late 19th century
2) The Seventh day Adventists Started by E. G. White in the late 19th century.
3) The Hebrew Roots movement Started by Rico Cortes less than 25 years ago
All three movements are the products of people teaching against the beliefs of mainstream Christian belief and practice.
2 Pe 1:20-2:2
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
KJV
So, we are faced with 2 possibilities:
1) God is such a poor communicator that He allowed His Church to languish in confusion for nearly 1900 years.
2) Mr Russel, Ms White, and Mr Cortes all got it wrong.
I find the first possibility totally unacceptable.
This I suppose is quite logical if one did not take into account all the data/facts available.
The Bible teaches that there would be a falling away from the truth for a period of time. That during this time there would be many errors and that God would restore the truth over time. We see the truth being slowly restored through the reformation.
Salvation is based on faith in Christ, this allows for salvation even during times when theology may have been off. As long as they trust in Jesus' salvation.
The question is once truth is restored do we continue to live in faith while ignoring the restored truth or do we in faith embrace truth as it is revealed?
As Far as the SDA go, We have a history of works based religion no doubt. And many SDA do to this day have a works based view of the gospel. But the official church position is not so.
The Bible teaches that there would be a falling away from the truth for a period of time. That during this time there would be many errors and that God would restore the truth over time. We see the truth being slowly restored through the reformation.
Salvation is based on faith in Christ, this allows for salvation even during times when theology may have been off. As long as they trust in Jesus' salvation.
The question is once truth is restored do we continue to live in faith while ignoring the restored truth or do we in faith embrace truth as it is revealed?
As Far as the SDA go, We have a history of works based religion no doubt. And many SDA do to this day have a works based view of the gospel. But the official church position is not so.