Do you think transgenders go to heaven?

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I hear what you're saying, but, fortunately, you're incorrect.

This isn't about "judging others", according to your misusage of Matthew 7:1 (which is almost always misused, to defend sin, to play the emotional card and to malign the using of judgment).

Biblically we can determine what is allowed to enter into heaven via Scripture. There is evidence of conversion, repentance, the new creature, all part and parcel of true conversion.

If we applied your view consistently, we could not preach that any person were lost, in sin, without hope, incapable of entering heaven due to whichever sinful state they find themselves.

We are to use judgment, and that is different than "judging." Christians need to finally learn the difference, and discontinue using Matthew 7:1 as a pretext that we are not to use any kind of judgment, or, if we do "we're judging."

That is what the OP is asking us to do; use judgment.

Biblically all sinners, unless converted, will not enter the kingdom of heaven. This includes *gasp* sodomites, transgendered, and also adulterers, thieves, and more; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Such were those whom God saved in Corinth, note Acts 18.

Will transgenders enter heaven?
No. Not unless they are converted which includes repentance and belief in the Gospel. These are the conditions for all sinners, all will be lost unless they repent and believe the Gospel; Luke 13:1-5.



Hmm this sounds completely different than someone who believes in predestined elect theory, for that theory is about some will go to hell and others to heaven and that choice is not theirs, what really do you believe sounds wishy washy.
 

Adstar

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If they have faith in Christ than yes, but they wouldn't be trasgendered anymore.
Thats the same as saying if a sinner has faith in Christ then yes, but they wouldn't be a sinner anymore........

See the problem?
 
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#43
If you have been born again you do not carry the title of transgender. When Cain and Abel brought their sacrifice to God, God didn't look at them; He looked at the sacrifice. And the same thing holds true to this present time. When we sin God sees Jesus because we are in Him and justified.

The Lord will save anyone who comes to him, irrespective as to who or what they may be. That is the very reason Jesus came to this world, "to save sinners" (1 Cor. 6:9-12).

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]10 [/SUP]nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. [SUP]11[/SUP]And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Sexual Immorality

[SUP]12 [/SUP]“I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything.
 

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You're asking us to do something that's wrong. You're asking us to judge. It not for us to judge others.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. (Matt. 7:1)​

You asked???they told you the truth!
 

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#45
Honestly I don't think it's my place to decide if they go to heaven or not only God knows their hearts and only he is the righteous judge.But if I had to guess then I would say it depends on the person, I think a transgender whose heart truly seeks after God needs to learn to love themselves how God made them not what they feel like they should be.
Honestly whether a they are able to go to heaven or not I just want them to at least learn to accept themselves for who they are other wise they will never truly love themselves even if they become transgenders.
 

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Thats the same as saying if a sinner has faith in Christ then yes, but they wouldn't be a sinner anymore........

See the problem?
No, I see no problem. A born again beliver would only go so far since they are now slaves to rightiosness. True believers don't willfully sin against God.
 

Innerfire89

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If they have absolute faith in Christ and have found their identity in him, they would not even think of becoming transgendered in the first place.
Yes, but before that point they are trans, and then come to faith and repentance.
 

Innerfire89

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Romans 1:18-32 disagrees with you.
So what you're saying is that transgenders and homosexuals are already condemned and hopeless, and thier behavior marks them as those who are condemned.

Although I believe that for many they're homosexuals and such because God gave them over to shameful lust. But I don't think that's the only reason people are gay or trans. Before people find identity in Christ they look for it in other places, like in careers,in politics, in marriage, or in being something that slightly resembles the opposite sex, it's a search for significance and meaning where there is none.
 

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Romans 1:18-32 disagrees with you.
No it doesn't, keep reading. Romans 1:18- Rom 2: 1-29 (all) goes on to tell us Paul is talking about all of us, that is our condition without/before Christ, and that our "new" circumcision is one of the heart, in the Spirit. Only God, through Jesus can make us any different than what Paul is describing in these scriptures, that is not God letting us become hopeless, we are all born hopeless outside His gift of grace, mercy, and power.
 
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So what you're saying is that transgenders and homosexuals are already condemned and hopeless, and thier behavior marks them as those who are condemned.

Although I believe that for many they're homosexuals and such because God gave them over to shameful lust. But I don't think that's the only reason people are gay or trans. Before people find identity in Christ they look for it in other places, like in careers,in politics, in marriage, or in being something that slightly resembles the opposite sex, it's a search for significance and meaning where there is none.
What does Romans 1:18-32 say? and please, stop saying I said something I never did. This is what causes frictions.

Romans 1:18-32 says God gives people over to their delusion. It does not say there is no hope they will come into repentance.

The strong delusion of any sexual sin, including heterosexual fornication and adultery, is a form of prideful delusion that is very , very hard for people to break out of. With God all things are possible and he is not slack concerning his promise, that all come into repentance.

However and make no mistake, the onus and obligation to come out of strong delusion is not up to God, it is up to man responding to the goodness of God through the Holy Spirit convincing him, that he need's the Savior.

That is very hard for people to do that have perverted themselves into something God did not create.
 

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Hmm this sounds completely different than someone who believes in predestined elect theory, for that theory is about some will go to hell and others to heaven and that choice is not theirs, what really do you believe sounds wishy washy.
P4T is pretty spot on concerning the Reformed approach in his post . There are sevral misconceptions out there concerning how Reformed folks approach scripture and approach issues like the one in the op .
Blessings
Bill
 

Innerfire89

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What does Romans 1:18-32 say? and please, stop saying I said something I never did. This is what causes frictions.

Romans 1:18-32 says God gives people over to their delusion. It does not say there is no hope they will come into repentance.

The strong delusion of any sexual sin, including heterosexual fornication and adultery, is a form of prideful delusion that is very , very hard for people to break out of. With God all things are possible and he is not slack concerning his promise, that all come into repentance.

However and make no mistake, the onus and obligation to come out of strong delusion is not up to God, it is up to man responding to the goodness of God through the Holy Spirit convincing him, that he need's the Savior.

That is very hard for people to do that have perverted themselves into something God did not create.
There was supposed to a question mark. I was asking if that was what you where saying. Why exactly are you arguing with me?
 
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No it doesn't, keep reading. Romans 1:18- Rom 2: 1-29 (all) goes on to tell us Paul is talking about all of us, that is our condition without/before Christ, and that our "new" circumcision is one of the heart, in the Spirit. Only God, through Jesus can make us any different than what Paul is describing in these scriptures, that is not God letting us become hopeless, we are all born hopeless outside His gift of grace, mercy, and power.
Please see my reply on post #51
 
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P4T is pretty spot on concerning the Reformed approach in his post . There are sevral misconceptions out there concerning how Reformed folks approach scripture and approach issues like the one in the op .
Blessings
Bill
And was pretty much saying the opposite in that post, I've seen it before what is going on at that moment is the agenda.
 

Laish

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And was pretty much saying the opposite in that post, I've seen it before what is going on at that moment is the agenda.
Ok ya lost me what agenda ?
Blessings
Bill
 

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Well, I have my concerns, too. I am 46, and in grade school in the late 70's-early 80's, there were twin boys(not identical, btw) that were one grade ahead of me. Being a kid and not really thinking that much of it, one of those twins acted dainty. This was in 2nd-3rd grade. When he left for college, his first time he came home, he brought his boyfriend with him.

Looking back, it was kinda obvious of his sexuality, even before he did 'anything'. But I would not be brazen enough to say they were born that way, as we have no way to support it scripturally.
There are many medical conditions that are not mentioned in the bible.