God's sovereignity and man's "freedom"...

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SovereignGrace

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Originally Posted by oldethennew

personally, we don't believe that Jesus needs assistance 'over-seas', we believe that He has it covered...
we believe that He needs His people right here, right now...more than ever...!!!
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Jesus has it covered because we are fulfilling the Great Commission by sending missionaries into many nations.

This post in the above is as anti-missional and anti-Great Commission as it gets. Sad. Really really REALLY sad. :(
 
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TruthTalk

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joaniemarie said:
I'm sorry you took offense at my post and I hope you will accept my apology. The reason I have a knowledge about being a Calvinist and not a hyper Calvinist is because that is the church we were raised in. Our church revered Calvin and were all 5 pointers. Some were very Calvinistic in their approach to God and our family broke off from that church eventually because we no longer saw Jesus in that way.

These are not "fictitious" folks. These were the brothers and sisters in Christ we knew and know intimately in our church for many years. And I was once one who believed in Calvinism myself. Since leaving Calvin behind., my prayer life changed too as I have been sharing here on this thread. Prayer does change things and if we don't pray., things won't happen., prayers won't be answered.

If you still believe I consistently throw accusations in people's faces I'm sorry that's not my intention.
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Just a misunderstanding on both sides I believe. Would you reread your post again and maybe see that you are at least being highly critical of some people. Thank you for your polite reply.
 
SovereignGrace

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Now if I can only get TruthTalk's rep. They're more scarce than hen's teeth.

#panhandlingforreps
 
TruthTalk

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SovereignGrace said:
Now if I can only get TruthTalk's rep. They're more scarce than hen's teeth.

#panhandlingforreps
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Yep been spreading the rep around all day and it still won't let me add a rep to you, not sure why now?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SovereignGrace again.




 
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TruthTalk said:
Yep been spreading the rep around all day and it still won't let me add a rep to you, not sure why now?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SovereignGrace again.
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The same thing happened to me once when I tried to rep Laish. After spreading some rep around, I went to rep Laish and it said I had given out too much rep over a 24 hour period.

#gofigure
 
TruthTalk

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SovereignGrace said:
Now if I can only get TruthTalk's rep. They're more scarce than hen's teeth.

#panhandlingforreps
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Here ya go SG, you can select your own degree of rep, else wise you'll have to wait till Hen's grow teeth I reckon......:)


 
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TruthTalk

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SovereignGrace said:
Now if I can only get TruthTalk's rep. They're more scarce than hen's teeth.

#panhandlingforreps
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I gave out 6 rep's today, you being the first of course, but I suppose I will need to wait for the 24hrs to rep again.
 
SovereignGrace

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TruthTalk said:
I gave out 6 rep's today, you being the first of course, but I suppose I will need to wait for the 24hrs to rep again.
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Oh, so it was you that repped me. I didn't know that. Don't worry about it then. I thought you were being this...




....with your reps. :) :D ;)
 
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SovereignGrace said:
God uses primary and secondary means to fulfill His purposes. But God does not make anyone sin. Its their wicked heart that causes them to do that.

Arminians believe they can lose their salvation just by walking outside and Molinists have a whacko view of God's omniscience. I am gladly in neither camp.
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Can you explain exactly what's primary and secondary?

I'm glad you don't think God caused or determined anyone to sin. Calvinist usually imply it by saying God caused or determined everything. Just to make extra sure, you do believe God did NOT cause or determine EVERYTHING right? That would make God the cause of sin/evil if you say yes.
 
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Did God uses Joseph's brothers to fulfill His purpose for them later on when the famine took place?

Did God use the Jews and Romans when they crucified our Lord?
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Yeah, nobody in the world ever denies these ideas... oddly Calvinist often use these non-supportive examples to support Calvinism. And also think someone like myself am not okay with this. Man does evil and God can use that evil.
 
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Calmador said:
Just to make extra sure, you do believe God did NOT cause or determine EVERYTHING right? That would make God the cause of sin/evil if you say yes.
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I'm curious. How could God know the future if He didn't determine everything??
 
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Calmador said:
Can you explain exactly what's primary and secondary?

I'm glad you don't think God caused or determined anyone to sin. Calvinist usually imply it by saying God caused or determined everything. Just to make extra sure, you do believe God did NOT cause or determine EVERYTHING right? That would make God the cause of sin/evil if you say yes.
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Primary would be things like the cross, as God determined it Himself to have His Son crucified.

Secondary causes would be the fall. He planted the Tree of Knowledge and gave the serpent access to the Garden.
 
MarcR

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anerlogios said:
I'm curious. How could God know the future if He didn't determine everything??
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The same way we can know the past without having determined it.

God is not bound by time as we are. He sees present past and future all at once.
 
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MarcR said:
The same way we can know the past without having determined it.

God is not bound by time as we are. He sees present past and future all at once.
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But foreknowledge, in regards to God, is a Greek verb, meaning its something He does, not just merely knows ahead of time.

proginōskō is a verb, so its something God does.
 
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anerlogios said:
I'm curious. How could God know the future if He didn't determine everything??
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Did God know ahead of time that Nineveh would repent and in turn He would not destroy them in forty days? If so, wouldn't that make God out to be a liar?

God knew that if Nineveh would believe His word and repent, in turn He would have mercy on them and not destroy them because that fits into His character. See Jeremiah 18.
 
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why did u choose to go from "Lordship salvation" to "hypergrace moneygospel"?
big mistake.
 
preacher4truth

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SovereignGrace said:
John MacGarthur? Who's he?

Just shows that ppl don't know what they think they know. John MacGarthur? Pffft!!

Who's next on the hit list?

Paul Wasper?
Voddie Beauchamp?
R.C. Sprocket?
Stephen Lawyer?
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...and she says she grew up listening to John McGarther. Yeah. Sure. I believe that.:rolleyes:

If she grew up under sound doctrine she wouldn't be heretical today.

In fact in her testimonies in the recent past she grew up under some sort of heretical group by her own admission. She's simply switched gears on the same heresy bicycle, and is still pedaling. :(
 
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Shout out to the people who spent time studying reformed theology and use real arguments against it and not just the same worn-out non-arguments that have been refuted over and over and over again.

Under the "reformed umbrella" you see people are quite in agreement. Very little division. Yet in the other camp its very very chaotic. You can roll dice on the answers you get.
 
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Rokurac said:
Shout out to the people who spent time studying reformed theology and use real arguments against it...
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Please point me to where the above has taken place in here. It would be refreshing to see.
 
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