FLAT EARTH

[Seedz]

Oh, okay. So for you to believe the earth is round the bible should have been written to say: "one of many broad plains on earth". Because that's how people write, right? LOL /shakes head

You do realize that the passage is basically saying that the whole earth is a plain. It says they went up on the breath of the earth, it also says they went up on the broad plain of the earth.

It is literally referring to the whole earth as a plain, not one of the plains of the earth,

Do you see what I am saying?

 

[Seedz]

He lives in a comfortable world where he has a meaningful important job and isn't being manipulated into simple labor. Could you imagine working at a "satellite" company or for NASA, and coming to the realization everything you do is not what is seems and your employer is lying to you and the entire world, possibly under the guidance of satan himself?

All those nut-jobs on the internet were actually right, even though you criticized them and said God has showed you otherwise? You never considered what they said and talked down to them because they and their opinions weren't worth acknowledging?

People don't want to let that possibility in and completely threaten their personal security and self-worth. No one likes being wrong, acknowledging opponents are right, and being ashamed of behaving self-righteous and justifying your beliefs with God under a deception.

It would take a humble, brave, and wise person.

Well said.... It does take a humble approach, otherwise you could never possibly over come any lie if you can't accept that there is indeed a lie.

 

[Seedz]

You think we don't labor?.........boy what a judgmental person you're portraying yourself to be

I think he meant it in a literal way. I don't think your job involves digging dirt, or crawling through mud to build satellites and such...

He said simple labor, your labor sounds more high tech.

 

[Seedz]

Oh, okay. So for you to believe the earth is round the bible should have been written to say: "one of many broad plains on earth". Because that's how people write, right? LOL /shakes head

Tell me where in the bible it says or even comes close to revealing that the earth is a 3 dimensional globe?

 

[pckts]

You think we don't labor?.........boy what a judgmental person you're portraying yourself to be

I didn't say you didn't labor, I said you were being manipulated into labor that is more simple than you currently believe.

If you think what you do involves satellites, outer space,or other false concepts, and it turns out to be operating on a completely different model using radio wave propagation for example, your work would be much more simple than you previously thought.

If I think I'm supporting the moon mission, but I actually supported nothing, that's much more simple.

I thought we were ignoring each other? I still want to read what you have to say in other threads and discussions, so I don't want to put you on "the list", but can we not acknowledge each other's existence with regards to anything conspiracy?

 

[MichaelOwen]

I didn't say you didn't labor, I said you were being manipulated into labor that is more simple than you currently believe.

If you think what you do involves satellites, outer space,or other false concepts, and it turns out to be operating on a completely different model using radio wave propagation for example, your work would be much more simple than you previously thought.

If I think I'm supporting the moon mission, but I actually supported nothing, that's much more simple.

I thought we were ignoring each other? I still want to read what you have to say in other threads and discussions, so I don't want to put you on "the list", but can we not acknowledge each other's existence with regards to anything conspiracy?

I can do that, yes, but I just don't believe what I do is for nothing. I mean my boss and I had a talk, and he's been here 37 years, and he's a saved Christian man. He has seen and done things I may never get to do, but when I hear him talk about space and the countless number of satellites Boeing has produced and the ones we currently are tracking in orbit around the Earth, I believe him. I don't see him being deceived because he is a blessed and righteous man. I just don't believe it. Please understand that.

 

[Seedz]

I can do that, yes, but I just don't believe what I do is for nothing. I mean my boss and I had a talk, and he's been here 37 years, and he's a saved Christian man. He has seen and done things I may never get to do, but when I hear him talk about space and the countless number of satellites Boeing has produced and the ones we currently are tracking in orbit around the Earth, I believe him. I don't see him being deceived because he is a blessed and righteous man. I just don't believe it. Please understand that.

I understand Mr. Owen...

We are not trying to undermine your intellect, knowledge, or work.

We are just showing you where WE see holes in the whole representation of the current reality.

You seem like a very smart and educated man.

Look into our claims with no bias, and truly do some research. It may shock you.

 

[MichaelOwen]

I understand Mr. Owen...

We are not trying to undermine your intellect, knowledge, or work.

We are just showing you where WE see holes in the whole representation of the current reality.

You seem like a very smart and educated man.

Look into our claims with no bias, and truly do some research. It may shock you.

I apologize, all I know is Jesus saved my soul......that's the one thing I can take from this walk of life knowing.

 

[Seedz]

I apologize, all I know is Jesus saved my soul......that's the one thing I can take from this walk of life knowing.

Amen!

Now lets bring more people to Christ.

 

[pckts]

I can do that, yes, but I just don't believe what I do is for nothing. I mean my boss and I had a talk, and he's been here 37 years, and he's a saved Christian man. He has seen and done things I may never get to do, but when I hear him talk about space and the countless number of satellites Boeing has produced and the ones we currently are tracking in orbit around the Earth, I believe him. I don't see him being deceived because he is a blessed and righteous man. I just don't believe it. Please understand that.

I don't believe what you do is for nothing. I believe what you do serves the same important purpose as what you believe it does, but it happens through different means and may not be as "glamorous" (like radio wave propagation and ground relay stations are not as glamorous as orbiting satellites).

If you were on the ground supporting the ISS people or something, than I would believe it was close to nothing, but it sounds like you are involved in the communication infrastructure or something, which exactly exists unlike the manned ISS.

Well you have heard my thoughts on Neil Armstrong if you read that post. Christians are not flawless and may not appear as they same. I'm also open to the possibility your boss is mislead and deceived unknowingly by his boss who may or may not be experiencing the same.

I do understand where you are coming from. You have firm evidence and trust in your judgement of this man's character. I can respect and honor that more than you telling me you know these things and can dismiss me on divine grounds. Understand that I have my firm evidence as well.

If we both "know" we are right, and you can't prove your personal evidence to me because it's experiential and private in nature, and I can't prove my evidence to you because you will not and do not want to consider it, we should avoid discussing the matter with one another. It can never be productive and will only lead to meaningless time wasting conflict.

 

[MichaelOwen]

I don't believe what you do is for nothing. I believe what you do serves the same important purpose as what you believe it does, but it happens through different means and may not be as "glamorous" (like radio wave propagation and ground relay stations are not as glamorous as orbiting satellites).

If you were on the ground supporting the ISS people or something, than I would believe it was close to nothing, but it sounds like you are involved in the communication infrastructure or something, which exactly exists unlike the manned ISS.

Well you have heard my thoughts on Neil Armstrong if you read that post. Christians are not flawless and may not appear as they same. I'm also open to the possibility your boss is mislead and deceived unknowingly by his boss who may or may not be experiencing the same.

I do understand where you are coming from. You have firm evidence and trust in your judgement of this man's character. I can respect and honor that more than you telling me you know these things and can dismiss me on divine grounds. Understand that I have my firm evidence as well.

If we both "know" we are right, and you can't prove your personal evidence to me because it's experiential and private in nature, and I can't prove my evidence to you because you will not and do not want to consider it, we should avoid discussing the matter with one another. It can never be productive and will only lead to meaningless time wasting conflict.

No you're right, things like this take you off the track, and that is to teach that Jesus Christ is Lord and that we need Him as our savior, everything else just fades away.

 

[Seedz]

No you're right, things like this take you off the track, and that is to teach that Jesus Christ is Lord and that we need Him as our savior, everything else just fades away.

I agree with this. I also agree with the idea that if we expose our satanic government and their lies, then a lot more people would come to believe the word of Christ and they would be saved as well.

 

[Dude653]

Revelation 20:9-10 “And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
Read more at Top 7 Bible Verses About Armageddon​

They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

New Living Translation​

And I saw them as they went up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded God's people and the beloved city. But fire from heaven came down on the attacking armies and consumed them.

English Standard Version​

And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them,

Berean Study Bible​

And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heaven and consumed them.

Berean Literal Bible​

And they marched up over the breadth of the earth and encircled the camp of the saints and the city having been beloved. But fire came down out of heaven and devoured them.

New American Standard Bible ​

And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

King James Bible​

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Holman Christian Standard Bible​

They came up over the surface of the earth and surrounded the encampment of the saints, the beloved city. Then fire came down from heaven and consumed them.

International Standard Version​

They marched over the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. Fire came from God out of heaven and burned them up,

NET Bible​

They went up on the broad plain of the earth and encircled the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and devoured them completely.

New Heart English Bible​

They went up over the breadth of the earth, and surrounded the camp of the saints, and the beloved city, and fire came down out of heaven and devoured them.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English​

And they went to war upon an open place of The Earth and surrounded the city of the camp of The Holy People and of The Beloved City, and fire descended from Heaven from God and consumed them.

GOD'S WORD® Translation​

[I saw that] they spread over the broad

That has nothing to do with flat earth

 

[Seedz]

That has nothing to do with flat earth

Whats your reasoning? You always make all these half baked statements and don't provide any thought.

 

[Musicus]

I'm addressing all flatEarthers.

I'm a country hick from a long line of country hicks. When I was a kid one of my dad's good friends, with whom my dad grew up, also a country hick, became an astronaut. He was also Christian, a good man who later became a minister. He visited us frequently. He told us about it all. He and my dad got drunk sometimes, and if he was lying it would have come out, and my mom, bless her heart, also would have been able to tell if he was lying. He had photos he took with his own camera and had developed at a local drugstore that NASA didn't even know about. I was at the launch, and the rocket really did go up. They couldn't fake that. I saw it with my own eyeballs.

I'm also a pilot, and I've seen the curve of the Earth, and I have flown and sailed around the Earth 6 times. I am also an electronics engineer, and I know all the communications theory (and numbers and meters don't lie), and I also worked for a company supporting NASA during the shuttle era at Goddard Space Flight Center, and It really happened, because I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYEBALLS (and nobody in the Government is smart enough to fool me with equipment that I built myself). So unless we are living in the Matrix, the Earth is ROUND.

However, I think you flatEarthers will not listen to anyone you don't know and trust personally, regardless of Christian or not, and regardless of proof and evidence, or eyewitness testimony. I have no reason to lie about what I have seen, and I really don't care if you choose to remain blind and foolish on the surface, but deep inside I suspect you really know the truth, and you just want attention for some reason. Thomas also wouldn't believe until he saw Jesus' wounds with his own eyes. But if you had known this guy (and no, I won't divulge his name, not without his permission) you would believe it.

 

[Dude653]

Whats your reasoning? You always make all these half baked statements and don't provide any thought.

We all know you can't literally march across the Earth because we have things called oceans in the way. So that was obviously figurative

 

[Seedz]

I'm addressing all flatEarthers.

I'm a country hick from a long line of country hicks. When I was a kid one of my dad's good friends, with whom my dad grew up, also a country hick, became an astronaut. He was also Christian, a good man who later became a minister. He visited us frequently. He told us about it all. He and my dad got drunk sometimes, and if he was lying it would have come out, and my mom, bless her heart, also would have been able to tell if he was lying. He had photos he took with his own camera and had developed at a local drugstore that NASA didn't even know about. I was at the launch, and the rocket really did go up. They couldn't fake that. I saw it with my own eyeballs.

I'm also a pilot, and I've seen the curve of the Earth, and I have flown and sailed around the Earth 6 times. I am also an electronics engineer, and I know all the communications theory (and numbers and meters don't lie), and I also worked for a company supporting NASA during the shuttle era at Goddard Space Flight Center, and It really happened, because I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYEBALLS (and nobody in the Government is smart enough to fool me with equipment that I built myself). So unless we are living in the Matrix, the Earth is ROUND.

However, I think you flatEarthers will not listen to anyone you don't know and trust personally, regardless of Christian or not, and regardless of proof and evidence, or eyewitness testimony. I have no reason to lie about what I have seen, and I really don't care if you choose to remain blind and foolish on the surface, but deep inside I suspect you really know the truth, and you just want attention for some reason. Thomas also wouldn't believe until he saw Jesus' wounds with his own eyes. But if you had known this guy (and no, I won't divulge his name, not without his permission) you would believe it.

....Sigh.....

 

[Seedz]

We all know you can't literally march across the Earth because we have things called oceans in the way. So that was obviously figurative

That is not what it says, but ok.

 

[Prov910]

Tell me where in the bible it says or even comes close to revealing that the earth is a 3 dimensional globe?

He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; He suspends the earth over nothing. (Job 26:7)​

He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. (Isaiah 40:22)


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Since God is omnipresent he sees all the earth at once. Have you ever looked at a basketball from a distance? It looks like a circle from all directions. Just like the circle of earth as seen from all directions and angles.

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We often call friends in China, sometimes right around dusk when the sun is setting in the west. For them it's early morning and the sun is rising in the east. How can this be if the earth is flat?

 

[pckts]

I'm addressing all flatEarthers.

I'm a country hick from a long line of country hicks. When I was a kid one of my dad's good friends, with whom my dad grew up, also a country hick, became an astronaut. He was also Christian, a good man who later became a minister. He visited us frequently. He told us about it all. He and my dad got drunk sometimes, and if he was lying it would have come out, and my mom, bless her heart, also would have been able to tell if he was lying. He had photos he took with his own camera and had developed at a local drugstore that NASA didn't even know about. I was at the launch, and the rocket really did go up. They couldn't fake that. I saw it with my own eyeballs.

I'm also a pilot, and I've seen the curve of the Earth, and I have flown and sailed around the Earth 6 times. I am also an electronics engineer, and I know all the communications theory (and numbers and meters don't lie), and I also worked for a company supporting NASA during the shuttle era at Goddard Space Flight Center, and It really happened, because I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYEBALLS (and nobody in the Government is smart enough to fool me with equipment that I built myself). So unless we are living in the Matrix, the Earth is ROUND.

However, I think you flatEarthers will not listen to anyone you don't know and trust personally, regardless of Christian or not, and regardless of proof and evidence, or eyewitness testimony. I have no reason to lie about what I have seen, and I really don't care if you choose to remain blind and foolish on the surface, but deep inside I suspect you really know the truth, and you just want attention for some reason. Thomas also wouldn't believe until he saw Jesus' wounds with his own eyes. But if you had known this guy (and no, I won't divulge his name, not without his permission) you would believe it.

I'll address your post later when I have more patience, but I just want to know, did your dad's good country hick friend join the military?

And we are aware "rockets go up", and then they crash into the ocean not long afterward. It's evident they do not go "up" very long by the intense curve they begin to demonstrate in their trajectory immediately.



https://spaceflightnow.com/2015/03/13/recap-story-atlas-5-rocket-launches-nasa-satellite-quartet/

So it's possible to see rockets go up, and believe that somehow correlates to outer space travel because I guess you think a little unseen pod disconnects and continues "up" where the rocket fails to.

Did your dad's friend join the military?