predestination?

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eternally-gratefull

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I am not a believer in Calvinism or Calvinistic predestination. I believe man has free choice.

However, I am a bit concerned when it is said that being a Calvinistic makes people "mean".

That has been directly said or implied several times on this thread.

I have seen “mean” calvanist, Catholics, Arminians, Lutherans, baptists, Non denoms.. There are man people in all groups..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Anyone else see the irony here?

:)

(Lynn, he was not blaming Calvinists. He was expressing concern over people who think Calvinism makes a person mean.)

Sadly she has a habit of that. Sad to know has not changed,,
 

MarcR

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But you're erecting a straw man argument brother. That, and no man is saved via his determination or choice.

I honestly don't see it as a strawman I see the nature we are created with as intrinsic to the discussion.

I agree that no person can will himself saved; but I believe that a person can accept or reject God's invitation, which I believe is extended to all.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Hi all! So i go to a private school, and in my Bible class one day, we somehow got into discussing predestination. I wasn't completely following along with what my Bible teacher was saying, but i was too afraid to ask about it since i didn't want to get in trouble....stupid choice, i know. But what he was saying was that Jesus said he "chooses" people to spend eternity with him, and that's not what i believed growing up. I always thought that it was up to you to decide for yourself whether you are a true believer or not and your true salvation. He went on to say that Jesus died on the cross for the lost, NOT for everyone. But isn't it ANYONE who seeks him? I just wanted to get all of you guys' thoughts and this, and I'll be sure to ask next time, haha. Plus I'm so scared of him, he is mean for a bible teacher...he's even been fired before. Hopefully some of you can explain this to me a little better, thanks!


hey
:)

i havent read all the answers here

but if you have the time

maybe listening to videos with preachers teaching on this specific topic may help you



non-calvinist
https://youtu.be/7y4yjSwEkfY

__________
calvinistic
https://youtu.be/woZ6nT3zBAE

may God bless you in your search for truth on this
 

Nehemiah6

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Predestination is a beautiful doctrine for the believer to understand. Predestination is towards all who have already believed the gospel of Jesus Christ. When one believes the gospel, the Lord predestines them for the adoption which is the redemption of the body. It is a future thing. Pre meaning before it occurs, destination meaning our final state. Believers have the promise of glorified bodies, when these vile bodies will be conformed into the image of Christ. What a glorious future we have in Christ!
Exactly. It is about the perfectin and glorification of those who have received Christ as Lord and Savior. It is IMPOSSIBLE that God would predestine some for salvation, while bypassing others, especially when Christ Himself established the truth, that God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:17).

When one examines the context of the words "predestined" or "elect" it is always according to foreknowledge and for the purposes of conforming believers into the image of Christ -- perfected and glorified.

If salvation was by decree or fiat -- as falsely claimed by Reformed Theology -- the whole world would be compelled to be saved by "irresistible grace". But because God compels none to be saved, and selects none to be saved, we have that little word "might" instead of "shall".
 

Chester

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Sadly she has a habit of that. Sad to know has not changed,,
Trying to follow the discussion, and honestly it leaves my brain spinning - too many loose threads, insinuations, and unsaid implications . . .

Maybe I should become a Calvinist - it would be a whole lot simpler . . .
 
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Trying to follow the discussion, and honestly it leaves my brain spinning - too many loose threads, insinuations, and unsaid implications . . .

Maybe I should become a Calvinist - it would be a whole lot simpler . . .
I never said what you said that I saided. :D ;) :p
 

Chester

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I have seen “mean” calvanist, Catholics, Arminians, Lutherans, baptists, Non denoms.. There are man people in all groups..
Besides "man" people in all groups, I think there are also female people in all groups! LOL!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Trying to follow the discussion, and honestly it leaves my brain spinning - too many loose threads, insinuations, and unsaid implications . . .

Maybe I should become a Calvinist - it would be a whole lot simpler . . .
Fatalism, like end times and age of the earth discussion can get pretty heated, Sometimes it is better to just stay away, I usually make a fewpoints then have to leave because it gets so bad, and have a few on ignore, because they make things worse..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Besides "man" people in all groups, I think there are also female people in all groups! LOL!
That would be feman!! Lol that was supposed to say Many,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What? Now I am more confused! :p

Are you sure you didn't mean "mean" and not "many"? (post # 101)

Time for me to quit! Yes, It was “mean” not many.. lolol Old age does that to ya!!
 

MarcR

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That is how they are perceived when they equate salvation to election. They as elect are better than those who are lost because they were not elect. To suggest that God elects some to eternal condemnation and there is nothing the non elect and do is perceived as quite cruel and it makes others seem elite.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I don't think that Hannahcorn made that assertion! I think she said HER BIBLE TEACHER is mean. she didn't even label his teachings as Calvinism, nor did she associate his meanness with his teaching.
 

shrume

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Trying to follow the discussion, and honestly it leaves my brain spinning - too many loose threads, insinuations, and unsaid implications . . .

Maybe I should become a Calvinist - it would be a whole lot simpler . . .
Yeah. Then anything anyone says could be blamed on God. :)