What is TULIP?

[SovereignGrace]

I'm still trying to find a well-studied anti-cal or Arminian. I've met exactly zero who ever argue from context of Scripture.

I heard that R C Sproul listed great Reformed Theologians on a chalkboard, then went to list some great well studied Arminians (anti-Cals) and paused. There are and were none to list...wish I could find that video.

This link looks interesting though: https://comingintheclouds.org/about-protestant/denominations/famous-calvinists/

Whenever they see the words 'world', 'whole world', 'all', 'every man' &c., they go hog wild and pig crazy saying that means everybody w/o exception. Yet, the proper context is all kinds of ppl, from every tribe, tongue, and nation.

Non-Calvinist theology is 3" wide and 1/16" deep.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Whenever they see the words 'world', 'whole world', 'all', 'every man' &c., they go hog wild and pig crazy saying that means everybody w/o exception. Yet, the proper context is all kinds of ppl, from every tribe, tongue, and nation.

Propagandists believe that if a lie is repeated often enough, it eventually gets accepted as the truth. That was the underlying philosophy of the Communists, but is also that of the Calvinists. Five Point Calvinism is a fabricated gospel originating with Augustine and culminating with Calvin.

The true Gospel says that "world" means all the inhabitants of the world without exception (John 3:16,17). Calvinism distorts that to mean "all KINDS of people" so that it fits into their theory of unconditional election (the U of TULIP). But all the Concordances and the Lexicons -- as well as Scripture itself -- shows that that is a lie.

While the Greek word kosmos can mean order, arrangement, ornament, or adornment, it can also mean the universe, the earth, the human race, and the inhabitants of the earth. But it NEVER means "all kinds of people".

So now the real issue is "What should Christians do with the lies of the Devil"?

 

[Johnny_B]

I'm not Calvinist, but I am curious what this is.

They are the Doctrines of Grace, they are the teaching that in the Father foreknowledge and definite plan to crucify Jesus He also seen His people in that plan and by His grace He chose them to be His people. That the death of Christ was done for His people and it is not left to the chose of men to chose Christ or not, but that God in His gracious love draws His people to Christ and by His grace they see thier need to repent and believe.

Without that grace man is lost and will always chose sin over Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They are the Doctrines of Grace, they are the teaching that in the Father foreknowledge and definite plan to crucify Jesus He also seen His people in that plan and by His grace He chose them to be His people. That the death of Christ was done for His people and it is not left to the chose of men to chose Christ or not, but that God in His gracious love draws His people to Christ and by His grace they see thier need to repent and believe.

Without that grace man is lost and will always chose sin over Christ.

So God says he is a God of love, who is not a respect or of persons. But then makes up this plan of salvation where he is a respector of persons. And does not show his love, but his bias (no matter how you alive=chit, if he chose some to save and others not to save for whatever reason other than offering the same gift to all people, then he is showing bias and a respect of persons)

As for us always choosing sin. Yes, your right, we will, thats why we need saved to begin with. Because we all have sinned and fall short. We do not know how to love, because our ability to love was shattered in the garden (Adam and Eve)
Thats why God has to expose us as sinners in need of grace., so he can show us his son and his work on the cross.

We are told the laws purpose was to lead people to christ. And to expose sin. If calvanism is true, then the law had no meaning, because no one could EVER be lead by the law to christ. No one could ever comprehend or agree with the law that they were even sinners. So God giving the law was meaningless. God telling people to come, and he will give you rest is meaningless. God telling people to come follow him is meaningless. The people who are his would go whether he asked them to or not.

 

[UnderGrace]

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[FONT=&quot]I read no sovereign grace in this theology.

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[FONT=&quot]“God devotes to destruction whom he pleases … they are predestinated to eternal death without any demerit of their own, merely by his sovereign will. … he orders all things by his counsel and decree in such a manner, that some men are born devoted from the womb to certain death, that his name by glorified in their destruction. ... God chooses whom he will as his children … while he rejects and reprobates others” (Institutes of Christian Religion, Book III, chap. 23).[/FONT]

They are the Doctrines of Grace, they are the teaching that in the Father foreknowledge and definite plan to crucify Jesus He also seen His people in that plan and by His grace He chose them to be His people. That the death of Christ was done for His people and it is not left to the chose of men to chose Christ or not, but that God in His gracious love draws His people to Christ and by His grace they see thier need to repent and believe.

Without that grace man is lost and will always chose sin over Christ.

 

[Johnny_B]

So God says he is a God of love, who is not a respect or of persons. But then makes up this plan of salvation where he is a respector of persons. And does not show his love, but his bias (no matter how you alive=chit, if he chose some to save and others not to save for whatever reason other than offering the same gift to all people, then he is showing bias and a respect of persons)

As for us always choosing sin. Yes, your right, we will, thats why we need saved to begin with. Because we all have sinned and fall short. We do not know how to love, because our ability to love was shattered in the garden (Adam and Eve)
Thats why God has to expose us as sinners in need of grace., so he can show us his son and his work on the cross.

We are told the laws purpose was to lead people to christ. And to expose sin. If calvanism is true, then the law had no meaning, because no one could EVER be lead by the law to christ. No one could ever comprehend or agree with the law that they were even sinners. So God giving the law was meaningless. God telling people to come, and he will give you rest is meaningless. God telling people to come follow him is meaningless. The people who are his would go whether he asked them to or not.

How did He show His love for the world? By sending His Son John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son,”

Who benefits from His Son being given? “that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.” So only those that believe benefit from His death and what did Paul tell us about this?

Romans 5:8 “but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

Paul makes it clear that in the Father's foreknowledge and definite plan to crucify Chirst, we, us were in His definite plan, us and we is not referring to the world or sinners, it is referring to the saints or the Church and the Father showed His love to the Church or His elect, while we were still sinners Jesus died for us.

The Father demonstrated His love to the world by sending His Son to die for sin and He showed His love for the Church by putting Jesus to death for us while we were still sinners. The Father knew who He was putting His Son to death for, He did not offer up Christ with no idea of who was going to believe or did He put Jesus to death without knowing who was going to believe? No!

He in His omniscience, He knew who He chose before the foundations of the world, He did this in His love for us according to the purpose of His will and glorious grace that He blessed us with. Again "us" is not the world or sinners.

Ephesians 1:3-6 “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In lovehe predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his willto the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory.13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”

It is all Him, according to the purpose of His will, not ours, we were in Him when we heard the word of truth our salvation and we believed, were sealed by the Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance. The Father choses us, the Son paid for us and the Spirit sealed us, our guarantee, it is still all the Godhead that saves us, from beginning to the end.

As for the Father not being partial towards people, we need to view that in it's context. The idea in the minds of the Jews was that God was partial to them and not to Gentiles, we can see this in Romans 2:9-11

“There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek,10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.11 For God shows no partiality.”

It is not speaking about person to person in love, it is that God saves people from all tribes, nations or as Revelation 5:9-10 put it.

“And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation,10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.”

Or as Revelation 7:9-10 “After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,10 and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

These verses are speaking of the Father's salvation being unto all people with no partially. Here are some verses about His love for His people, the Jews.

Deuteronomy 7:6-8 “For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.7 It was not because you were more in number than any other people that the Lord set his love on you and chose you, for you were the fewest of all peoples,8 but it is because the Lord loves you and is keeping the oath that he swore to your fathers, that the Lord has brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the house of slavery, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.”

Here's what Jesus did when He went to the cross Hebrews 9:11-12 “But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation)12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.”

Not only did the Father have a definite plan, Jesus secured an eternal redemption for us and we could of never have chose God, because we cannot see or understand the kingdom of God.

Mark 7:21-23 “For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness.23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

John 3:3, 19 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God....19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.”

John 8:34 “Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin.”

I Corinthians 2:14 “The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.”

II Corinthians 4:3-4 “And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.”

As you can see man in and of himself do not and cannot chose the Lord nor can he see or understand the things of God, because man is spiritually blind and is a slave to sin.

 

[Johnny_B]

I read no sovereign grace in this theology.



“God devotes to destruction whom he pleases … they are predestinated to eternal death without any demerit of their own, merely by his sovereign will. … he orders all things by his counsel and decree in such a manner, that some men are born devoted from the womb to certain death, that his name by glorified in their destruction. ... God chooses whom he will as his children … while he rejects and reprobates others” (Institutes of Christian Religion, Book III, chap. 23).

I am sorry, where did I say I was a follower of Calvin? At the same time I can make anything say whatever, when I use selcected portions of someones writtings by using "......" then what proves my point, exclude what does not, then again use what leans my way, that is a bit deceptive.

All I can do is use the Scriptures and because of these, they show that man's only destination is eteranl judgement.

Mark 7:21-23 “For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,22 coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness.23 All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

John 3:3, 19 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God....19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.”

John 8:34 “Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin.”

Romans 8:7-8 “For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.”

I Corinthians 2:14 “The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.”

II Corinthians 4:3-4 “And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.”

Can you appeal to the Scriptures that show that man in his natural state deserves to be eternally rewarded for any good work?

 

[JaumeJ]

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