“Christalignment" heard of this?

[7seasrekeyed]

Beni Johnson finally admitted she participates in this and allows BSSM teachers to teach it. Beni, said she learned it from none other than Benny Hinn, who routinely used to visits Kathryn Kuhlmans grave site seeking her anointing

and that is true

there are pictures of her at the gravesights

so when someone tries to say it is only the young that are doing this, that would be wrong


WAKE UP FOLKS...it's getting worse...get out before you are in so deep you can't get out alone

Johnson's wife has or maybe still participating

and here is Johnson himself...only reading the markers? maybe.........

 

[beastslayer1970]

Yes, God does use contaminated vessels. Read 1 John: 1 (8,9) No one is without sin. We are forgiven sinners. We still can do God's work. We do still do God's work.

2 Timothy 2:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness.”[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.


Nobody is perfect or sinless, I still sin, yet at conversion, we are made a sin-forgiven saint, and no longer are we a sinner saved by grace. As we spiritually mature, sin should not entangle us as it once did. This is not being sinless or perfect, but it means as we have renewed our minds, become a partaker of the divine nature, understand our position in Christ, manifested the Fruit of the Spirit, SIN becomes less of an issue. We are not perfect and never will be.

This is what Paul is stating in 2 Timothy 2:19-21.

 

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2 Timothy 2:19-21
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness.”[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.


Nobody is perfect or sinless, I still sin, yet at conversion, we are made a sin-forgiven saint, and no longer are we a sinner saved by grace. As we spiritually mature, sin should not entangle us as it once did. This is not being sinless or perfect, but it means as we have renewed our minds, become a partaker of the divine nature, understand our position in Christ, manifested the Fruit of the Spirit, SIN becomes less of an issue. We are not perfect and never will be.

This is what Paul is stating in 2 Timothy 2:19-21.

Of course, through the power of the HS we are no longer "slaves" to sin but we are still forgiven sinners. Why? Because the flesh part of us will at times lead us away from the spiritual part. Why? Because we are still in this fleshly body.

Our goal becoming a Christian should be to become like the example Christ set for us. When we do that, we will no longer be a slave to our flesh. However, to say that God never uses a "contaminated" vessel IMHO is not true. We all are contaminated to some extent while on this earth.

 

[beastslayer1970]

We have all the anointing we need in the Holy Spirit. We have power for today,we do not need anything from dead saints. Now,it may be,as you say,zeal of youth.But as I said in my post,that is why the pastor is there. That is his job,to direct zeal in the right direction.Otherwise zeal becomes foolishness and can be harmful. Someone has to have a steady hand. Ive seen what goes on when no one leads. Its a mess and we can't reach the world when foolishness like this is going on in the church.

Bill Johnson knows everything going on in his business, Just as Brian Houston does.

Bill has a real issue because of the agreement he made with his dresses when he became Pastor at Bethel. He would get a lifetime job and never be voted out if He was to preach and teach revival and nothing else. He agreed. Bethel was AOG at that time and Bill separated Bethel from the AOG. Bill spent his younger years with Wimber and The KC prophets and that is where he signed allegiance to the NAR and brought the NAR with him to Bethel.

This is why all of Bethel is about making revival. That alone is not found anywhere in scripture, the only thing Jesus said to go and make were disciples.

 

[MichaelOwen]

Of course, through the power of the HS we are no longer "slaves" to sin but we are still forgiven sinners. Why? Because the flesh part of us will at times lead us away from the spiritual part. Why? Because we are still in this fleshly body.

Our goal becoming a Christian should be to become like the example Christ set for us. When we do that, we will no longer be a slave to our flesh. However, to say that God never uses a "contaminated" vessel IMHO is not true. We all are contaminated to some extent while on this earth.

I'm not saying that the Lord doesn't use contaminated vessels, I'm simply saying that the kind of things that go in some churches nowadays is completely witchcraft, and not of God. That will contaminate a congregation.

 

[beastslayer1970]

Of course, through the power of the HS we are no longer "slaves" to sin but we are still forgiven sinners. Why? Because the flesh part of us will at times lead us away from the spiritual part. Why? Because we are still in this fleshly body.

Our goal becoming a Christian should be to become like the example Christ set for us. When we do that, we will no longer be a slave to our flesh. However, to say that God never uses a "contaminated" vessel IMHO is not true. We all are contaminated to some extent while on this earth.

your Spirit is not contaminated at conversion. It is the only perfect things about you on this earth. Your fleshly body will either obey your mind or your spirit. I do see what you mean and not arguing with you.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

SOrry it is not zeal of the young. Beni Johnson herslef finally admitted she participates in this. If the leaders are doing it, it means it is sanctioned as ok to teach and follow suit with.

Beni stands on the story in 2 Kings 13:20-21 for this being legitimate Christian Practice.

Kris Vallotton can deny his leaders involvement all he wants, but the BSSM student social media outs his own leaders.
This is how Beni and a Bethel Pastor named Ben Fitzgerald got caught doing it. A BSSM 2nd year student video them all grave sucking Smith Wigglesworth's grave site.

Kris Vallotton is probably shielded through intentional plausible deniability schemes.

For the record, Kris Vallotton is certainly no real Prophet either. He is however, a profit in every sense of that word. He sells his how you to can become a Prophet of God books to churches all over the place. His 2 prodigies are the worst false prophets on the planet, but some of the best profits in the world, Ryan LeStrange and Jennifer LeClaire. LeClaire is the editor in chief of Charisma news online. Bethels Profits have a very bloody trail of deception and destruction on their path. Many other churches are now using these destiny cards.

yeah Vallotton is an interesting person


Vallotton teaches a false doctrine of apostleship and apostolic ministry. He describes Bethel's "supernatural" schools as "Holy Spirit terrorist training centers

thing is, people love this stuff. these so called apostle and prophet schools started years before Bethel though

The Kansas City prophets...Mike Bickle et al...responsible for bringing in the angel worshipper Todd Bentley...of course that angel..female..has now been scrubbed off the internet pretty much, but she ...IT actually...was the inspiration for Bentleys revival..which ended in complete and shameful disaster after his adultery was discovered...well that and all the punching and hitting and kicking folks that went on...and keep in mind he was 'inaugerated' by the prophets and guess who was there? oh for sure...Johnson of Bethel

what a gang! what a group!....fake and phony to the core...and raking in money hand over fist with their music machine and copying the success of Hillsong

they hide each others scandals ...like they did with Bentley...

and we shouldn't judge? are you kidding me? we don't know what is and what is not of God?

 

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I'm not saying that the Lord doesn't use contaminated vessels, I'm simply saying that the kind of things that go in some churches nowadays is completely witchcraft, and not of God. That will contaminate a congregation.

Thanks for your explanation. Yes, if a body of Christians are not always watching, false doctrines, false teachers/leaders can creep in. I agree.

 

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your Spirit is not contaminated at conversion. It is the only perfect things about you on this earth. Your fleshly body will either obey your mind or your spirit. I do see what you mean and not arguing with you.

Nor am I arguing. I think we pretty much believe the same thing. Praise God for His saving grace and mercy upon us. That is what we need to see IMHO

 

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Bottom line for me is that we should always be watchful, for Satan is running amok on earth and seeking to see whom he can devour.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

what has alarmed me the most in this thread, is reading that, apparently we cannot know what is and what is not of God

this is in absolute contradiction to scripture


Hosea 14:9New King James Version (NKJV)

9 Who is wise?
Let him understand these things.
Who is prudent?
Let him know them.
For the ways of the Lord are right;
The righteous walk in them,
But transgressors stumble in them.



Romans 12:2New King James Version (NKJV)

2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.



Philippians 1:9-11New King James Version (NKJV)

9 And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment, 10 that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ, 11 being filled with the fruits of righteousness which are by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.



James 1:5New King James Version (NKJV)

5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.


II Corinthians
12 But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.


1 John 4:1King James Version (KJV)
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

 

[MichaelOwen]

Nor am I arguing. I think we pretty much believe the same thing. Praise God for His saving grace and mercy upon us. That is what we need to see IMHO

We believe in the Father, we believe in the Son, and we have the guidance of the Holy Spirit, we are all one!

 

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We believe in the Father, we believe in the Son, and we have the guidance of the Holy Spirit, we are all one!

Amen and amen.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Bottom line for me is that we should always be watchful, for Satan is running amok on earth and seeking to see whom he can devour.

1 Peter 5:8King James Version (KJV)

8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

 

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what has alarmed me the most in this thread, is reading that, apparently we cannot know what is and what is not of God

this is in absolute contradiction to scripture



Hosea 14:9New King James Version (NKJV)

9 Who is wise?
Let him understand these things.
Who is prudent?
Let him know them.
For the ways of the Lord are right;
The righteous walk in them,
But transgressors stumble in them.



Romans 12:2New King James Version (NKJV)

2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.



Philippians 1:9-11New King James Version (NKJV)

9 And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment, 10 that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ, 11 being filled with the fruits of righteousness which are by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.



James 1:5New King James Version (NKJV)

5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.


II Corinthians
12 But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.


1 John 4:1King James Version (KJV)
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

We must be watchful, especially in these last days. The devil is running rampant and he is the ultimate deceiver. The best defense against that is reading our Lord's word each and every day. Only if we are buried in the Word can we withstand the fiery darts.

That is why I feel so guilty and so empty whenever I go days without reading the Word of God. In today's world, that is dangerous. Yet, I admit my guilt.

 

[beastslayer1970]

We must be watchful, especially in these last days. The devil is running rampant and he is the ultimate deceiver. The best defense against that is reading our Lord's word each and every day. Only if we are buried in the Word can we withstand the fiery darts.

That is why I feel so guilty and so empty whenever I go days without reading the Word of God. In today's world, that is dangerous. Yet, I admit my guilt.

Do not let the prodding of the Holy Spirit, reminding you to read the word of God, ever be confused for guilt or condemnation.

Only Satan brings condemnation and guilt and accusation. There is no condemnation in Jesus.

The Holy spirit leads us to read the word
Satan pushes us to be religious and reminds us of our past failure.

Always remember dear sister,
The Holy Spirit leads

Satan pushes.

 

[kaylagrl]

I was going to thank you for the rep. I dont usually name names. I appreciate it.It skipped my mind.

 

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Do not let the prodding of the Holy Spirit, reminding you to read the word of God, ever be confused for guilt or condemnation.

Only Satan brings condemnation and guilt and accusation. There is no condemnation in Jesus.

The Holy spirit leads us to read the word
Satan pushes us to be religious and reminds us of our past failure.

Always remember dear sister,
The Holy Spirit leads

Satan pushes.

Thank you for this reminder. Good to consider.

 

[Speak2Me]

Yep,when you're in ministry you see some odd things.I was in a church in Maine,no offence to the state,and met some of the weirdest folk Id ever met. This "pastor" would take the women of the church and go pray in a graveyard. He'd also get them in a room and turn out the lights and pray,and he wasn't the type of man Id trust with the lights on,just sayin. And the people of the church let this go on!! He would "preach" for hours,just rambling basically.I got up and walked out. I wasn't about to support his foolishness. Even if I was the special guest. The whole lot of them were weird. That was years and years ago and I still tell people the story.Amazing what people will accept.

I recall when "feathers from the rafters" was all the rage and "gold in the teeth". Someone said to me "you don't believe God can put gold in the teeth"? I said "I believe He can,I just don't see why He would.There are people with cancer,other diseases,financial issues,family issues,excuse me if I don't believe God is concerned about putting gold in your teeth." Seriously,people need to grow up spiritually.

I would be overjoyed if God put some regular teeth in my mouth, let alone gold teeth, LOL!

 

[Speak2Me]

You are speaking out of the wrong orifice here.

My, my...

1 Corinthians 15:33
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New International Version
Do not be misled: "Bad company corrupts good character."

New Living Translation
Don't be fooled by those who say such things, for "bad company corrupts good character."

English Standard Version
Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”

Berean Study Bible
Do not be deceived: "Bad company corrupts good character."

New American Standard Bible
Do not be deceived: "Bad company corrupts good morals."

You must be runnin' wit' sum baaad company. Whowuddaguessed?