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judging does not mean chastening. when a judge sends someone to the chair because of the murder they committed, he is not chastening them, he is judging them...
to judge: to pass legal judgment on; pass sentence on (a person):The court judged him guilty.
to chasten:: to correct by punishment or suffering : discipline
words mean something. they already have a meaning and that is why we need to choose what words we use when we try t get a meaning across
so if God is judging, He is NOT chastening
and why you also now throw condemnation into the mix is also confusing and not interchangeable with either of the 2 words in question
to judge: to pass legal judgment on; pass sentence on (a person):The court judged him guilty.
to chasten:: to correct by punishment or suffering : discipline
- If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men
- —2 Samuel 7: 14 (King James Version)
words mean something. they already have a meaning and that is why we need to choose what words we use when we try t get a meaning across
so if God is judging, He is NOT chastening
and why you also now throw condemnation into the mix is also confusing and not interchangeable with either of the 2 words in question
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according to the dictionary' you are using the word correctly
calling sites that expose the heretical goings on at Bethel and others of similar persuasion, hate sites, is condemning them as being untrue and judging their motive as being personal
I would suggest that the continued objections to exposing demonic teachings that go on at Bethel..and we have barely touched on those...is a personal objection and the impetus behind stating other sites are hateful or people here are posting in ignorance
Definition of condemn
transitive verb
1: to declare to be reprehensible, wrong, or evil usually after weighing evidence and without reservation
2a : to pronounce guilty : convict
b : sentence, doom
calling sites that expose the heretical goings on at Bethel and others of similar persuasion, hate sites, is condemning them as being untrue and judging their motive as being personal
I would suggest that the continued objections to exposing demonic teachings that go on at Bethel..and we have barely touched on those...is a personal objection and the impetus behind stating other sites are hateful or people here are posting in ignorance
Definition of condemn
transitive verb
1: to declare to be reprehensible, wrong, or evil usually after weighing evidence and without reservation
- a policy widely condemned as racist
2a : to pronounce guilty : convict
b : sentence, doom
- condemn a prisoner to die
And yet, Elijah was still alive when Elisha came to him with that request.
We were driving through the Rocky Mountains in heavy snow, bad roads and I brought this up with my husband. He was as stunned as me about this grave sucking nonsense. We both said, “But Elijah was alive!”
Since when do we we conjure up dead people to ask favours from them? That is witchcraft! And forbidden! To say nothing of the fact that if these people truly were anointed Christians (I am not the judge!) then they surely were not hanging out in their graves!
This is necromancy! King Saul was condemned for having the witch of Endor call up the dead spirit of Samuel! i wondered if these people were trying to claim that Elisha’s double portion was the scriptural basis of this abominable practice. Thanks for confirming how low these people and you have gone, trying to justify a sinful and repugnant practice as coming from the Bible, and being a proper and noble practice Christians should engage in!
You really need to go to go back to reading the Bible Willie, instead of putting experience above the Word of God!
We were driving through the Rocky Mountains in heavy snow, bad roads and I brought this up with my husband. He was as stunned as me about this grave sucking nonsense. We both said, “But Elijah was alive!”
Since when do we we conjure up dead people to ask favours from them? That is witchcraft! And forbidden! To say nothing of the fact that if these people truly were anointed Christians (I am not the judge!) then they surely were not hanging out in their graves!
This is necromancy! King Saul was condemned for having the witch of Endor call up the dead spirit of Samuel! i wondered if these people were trying to claim that Elisha’s double portion was the scriptural basis of this abominable practice. Thanks for confirming how low these people and you have gone, trying to justify a sinful and repugnant practice as coming from the Bible, and being a proper and noble practice Christians should engage in!
You really need to go to go back to reading the Bible Willie, instead of putting experience above the Word of God!
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From https://walthope.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/grave-sucking-bill-johnson/
Senior Pastor Beni Johnson (Bill Johnson’s wife of Bethel Church) “grave sucking” the anointing at CS Lewis’s grave. Why???? This is becoming a common practice in the Third Wave. Sad.
Senior Pastor Beni Johnson (Bill Johnson’s wife of Bethel Church) “grave sucking” the anointing at CS Lewis’s grave. Why???? This is becoming a common practice in the Third Wave. Sad.
From BeyondGrace: Bill Johnson and John Crowder's Leaven
Monday, July 11, 2011
Bill Johnson and John Crowder's Leaven
It is endemic to the river branch of Christianity today to not be critical of aberrant teachers, but rather to embrace them. At the very top of the list of aberrant teachers (perhaps heretical) is John Crowder, the man who promotes among other things "toking the Holy Ghost." Crowder also embraces a strange form of necromancy that runs rampant in the "river."
As an example of that unabashed acceptance, here is a recent facebook exchange between David Williams and Bill Johnson:
So, we can understand that Johnson places a high value on friendship, perhaps higher than putting biblical principals into action. He certainly does not know how to deal with leaven.
In another facebook exchange Dan Carlton asks Bill Johnson about Dunn and Crowder:
Bill Johnson has voiced his acceptance of John Crowder. What does Crowder teach? How is that leaven spreading throught Johnson's Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry (BSSM)?
Crowder, kneeling at the grave of Alexander Dowie and speaking to the camera says:
Other have commented on this, bringing up the shortcomings of Alexander Dowie. Quite frankly, this would be just as wrong if it were the grave of the Apostle Paul. There is no biblical basis for this practice and it leads people into error.
So just how do these "great people," Dunn and Crowder, impact the students at BSSM?
BSSM students and Bethelites at the same tombstone seen in the Crowder video above.
BSSM Students on ministry trip "soaken up the glory" at Maria B Woodworth-Etter's grave.
2nd Year BSSM students "sucking up the anointing" at the grave of Evan Roberts.
"So today I got impartation from Maria Woodward Etters
grand-daughter and soaked at the grave site..."
Bill Johnson could put a stop to this immediately if he wanted to. And yet he does not. Instead, he has launched an initiative to build "a library/museum called The House of Generals. It will be a place where people can come to see artifacts from past revivals..."
Yes, you too can suck the anointing right off of Kathryn Kuhlman's wedding dress!
Is this ancestor worship? Necromancy? A doctrine of mantle reincarnation? Has Bill Johnson crossed the line from abberancy into heresy?
Bethelite at Smith Wigglesworth's grave- caption reads:
"In Bradford soaking up Smith's anointing..."
Bill Johnson visiting the same grave
BSSM student(s) catching some anointing from Aimee McPherson's grave.
Monday, July 11, 2011
Bill Johnson and John Crowder's Leaven
As an example of that unabashed acceptance, here is a recent facebook exchange between David Williams and Bill Johnson:
Williams: So I presume that you and Beni have no issues with the teachings and actions of these (Crowder and Dunn) ministries?
Johnson: We are friends. For us agreement isn't a prerequisite for any friendship. We love them and honor them. Great people.
This is not unlike Johnson's response when he came to the defense of the indefensable Todd Bentley during the Lakeland fiasco.Johnson: We are friends. For us agreement isn't a prerequisite for any friendship. We love them and honor them. Great people.
"Have you spent time with Todd? Do you know him? Have you watched him with his wife? Or have you seen how he treats his kids?...I didn't think so. I have. And I'll continue to support those who I have walked with in life and ministry. He's my friend." -Bill Johnson
So, we can understand that Johnson places a high value on friendship, perhaps higher than putting biblical principals into action. He certainly does not know how to deal with leaven.
In another facebook exchange Dan Carlton asks Bill Johnson about Dunn and Crowder:
Carlton: Why would you entertain two crazy nutters like Ben Dunn and John Crowder?
Johnson: I'll stand with the accused anyday before I'll stand with their accusers.
Sounds like boasting, no? Let's see how the Word of God addresses this:Johnson: I'll stand with the accused anyday before I'll stand with their accusers.
"Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast affects the whole batch of dough?" -1 Corinthians 5:6
You talk about a prophetic word to the church today! Yeah, I'll put a "thus saith the Lord" in front of that scripture. It's found in His Word. He said it.Bill Johnson has voiced his acceptance of John Crowder. What does Crowder teach? How is that leaven spreading throught Johnson's Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry (BSSM)?
Crowder, kneeling at the grave of Alexander Dowie and speaking to the camera says:
"And we've just come to the grave today to release to you an impartation of healing revival, of city building, restoration city-taking anointing, master-building apostolic anointing, and so we just rip it right out of the ground, we just suck it right off his dead bones, in Jesus name, and loose it to you., a healing-revival-glory-master-building-apostolic anointing glory..."
Other have commented on this, bringing up the shortcomings of Alexander Dowie. Quite frankly, this would be just as wrong if it were the grave of the Apostle Paul. There is no biblical basis for this practice and it leads people into error.
So just how do these "great people," Dunn and Crowder, impact the students at BSSM?
BSSM students and Bethelites at the same tombstone seen in the Crowder video above.
BSSM Students on ministry trip "soaken up the glory" at Maria B Woodworth-Etter's grave.
2nd Year BSSM students "sucking up the anointing" at the grave of Evan Roberts.
"So today I got impartation from Maria Woodward Etters
grand-daughter and soaked at the grave site..."
Bill Johnson could put a stop to this immediately if he wanted to. And yet he does not. Instead, he has launched an initiative to build "a library/museum called The House of Generals. It will be a place where people can come to see artifacts from past revivals..."
Yes, you too can suck the anointing right off of Kathryn Kuhlman's wedding dress!
Is this ancestor worship? Necromancy? A doctrine of mantle reincarnation? Has Bill Johnson crossed the line from abberancy into heresy?
Bethelite at Smith Wigglesworth's grave- caption reads:
"In Bradford soaking up Smith's anointing..."
Bill Johnson visiting the same grave
BSSM student(s) catching some anointing from Aimee McPherson's grave.