I'm encouraged! You got that just about perfectly right. All you missed is that Jesus (God) has been passing judgements all through the thousands of years we have been in existence......... He's not just waiting for a Big Whomping at the last day.
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I'm encouraged! You got that just about perfectly right. All you missed is that Jesus (God) has been passing judgements all through the thousands of years we have been in existence......... He's not just waiting for a Big Whomping at the last day.
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cities, nations, peoples, and religious systems
are gonna fall from heaven? We're talking about the Day of the Lord and Matt.24:29 expressly talks about stars falling from heaven. Peter spoke of this, "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." 2Peter 3:10
This the return of Christ Jesus in judgment.
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So now you are more knowledgeable that the apostle Paul. Ok I'll just throw out all my books oh wait you are a Calvinist so it is just predestined.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You're so far off in left field that it is impossible to cover this, short of directing you to about a half dozen books that I know you will never read.
So suffice it here that I simply ask if you honestly think the ancient Hebrews knew anything about the periodic table and atomic elements? Now, do some of that studying I was talking about, and go learn what the Bible is talking about elsewhere when it speaks of "elements."
Citation needed.
Also, you claim Jesus is not coming to judge the world.
Ps 9:8) And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.
Ps 96:13) Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.
Ps 98:9) Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.
Acts 17:31) Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Rom 3:6) God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
Actually He is.
Isa 13:
9) Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10) For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11) And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
12) I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
Dan 12:
1) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Also, Philistia, Moab, Ammon, Ethiopia, and Assyria will all be laid waste, not just Jerusalem (Zeph. 2:4-15).
There are just so many prophesies about the coming Tribulation... I don't see how you can dismiss it so easily.
Welcome to CC TrustingGod4life., As we grow in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus we find out that He has already taken all of God's wrath upon Himself for us and all those who believe on Him. There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. This is to be a confidence for us. We are supposed to have a strong consolation about our standing before God the Father in His Son Jesus.
We are no longer under the wrath of God. And He wants us to know this and to walk in the freedom that this confidence gives.
Faith in Jesus is what gives us this strong consolation. Look away from self and look unto Jesus. That's where our peace and joy in the Holy Spirit comes from.
We are all going through a tribulation, do you think the spiritual war that is going on is really this easy to get through. Even Jesus was tested in the wilderness do you think were not gonna be tested the same way. The list I have wouldn't be to Long but what's the point you sure wouldn't take what I say to heart. Why should you, who wants to get out of their comfort zone
No that is a wrong statement you should worry. Satan wants you to believe everything's OK . when has God ever said no worries everything is OK just relax. No he wants us to be alert search and know the truth
Be alert.
Luke 12:39
But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.
Some believe that the Great Tribulation occurred in the First Century; and undeniably one did.
If Jesus stood on the Mount of Olives in 70 A.D. And it clave in two with a large rift valley; where is that valley today.
If the thousand year reign of Jesus already happened; is the mess we have now all there is to show for it?
The idea of a first century fulfillment also ignores the promised restoration of National Israel prophesied in Hosea, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Zechariah.
Isa 66:8
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
KJV
The day was 11/17/1947 A.D. The Nation was Israel.
If Jesus stood on the Mount of Olives in 70 A.D. And it clave in two with a large rift valley; where is that valley today.
If the thousand year reign of Jesus already happened; is the mess we have now all there is to show for it?
The idea of a first century fulfillment also ignores the promised restoration of National Israel prophesied in Hosea, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Zechariah.
Isa 66:8
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
KJV
The day was 11/17/1947 A.D. The Nation was Israel.
Wanting to be "alert" and wanting to be "worried" are two totally different things. Worry is SIN but alertness is obedience to the commands of Christ. In any event "Let not your heart be troubled" (John 14:1) settles the issue about whether the Rapture is connected to any Tribulation period.
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If you are alive during that time, yes you will go through the tribulation. But God always got your back. Especially if you're on His side doing things His way as written .
Often you might read or hear wayward Christians say they won't be here , because of a " rapture ".
However the Bible, Gods words, actually never teach a rapture in the order of events Christ taught.
It could seem like it was ; only if you are not actually familiar with what the Bible teaches in full . Perhaps because you've never read it with understanding. Study times time, and it takes years of thought and prayer. Given all the noise in the world , its not always apparent without study
What Often happens, is people are spoon fed the bible, without reading nor studying it themselves. This happens so much, that its the reason why there are so many denominations in Christianity. The bible teaches us to have No divisions among the many memebered body of Christ. Yet due to people not actually caring about the literature of their faith, and basically don't care That much about God, they neglect His word . its that serious .People who should know better don't really care.
Too many rely on commentary rather then whats plainly written. Even in study.
To understand why rapture is so popular, you have to understand it goes hand in hand with another false teaching, which says the Tribulation is one of war and violence, and paint and suffering .. They come to that conclusion, because they dont understand what the symbolism means in Revelation and in the gospels. The vast majority of Christians today, dont realize the meanings of the language is explained in the Bible .
So they resort to the simplest surface reading at a glance, and most self proclaimed Christian leaders that that approach, they dumb it down, to were it has people reading this literally in every case regardless of the subject matter.
They are in effect interpreting scripture. They dont follow what they are reading .They make it up .
The actual true nature of the tribulation of Satan is one of deception, with consequence on the soul. Not the body.
When Christ returns, the body is dissolved away, or is transfigured at His return. And all thats left, is the question of their salvation or lack thereof .
Satan knows this, and the bible warns about this, That Gods will hit the earth this with deception, and anyone thats not on the foundation of Christ, the Living Word is going to be swept away in a flood of lies from Satan himself.
Id encourage you to take the Bible seriously, as its Gods words, and its your faith. It is always good to pray to God about it. Ask Him to open the scriptures up to you in Chirsts' name ..
I'm always available to point out scriptures, if you want to chat .
If you are alive during that time, yes you will go through the tribulation. But God always got your back. Especially if you're on His side doing things His way as written .
Often you might read or hear wayward Christians say they won't be here , because of a " rapture ".
However the Bible, Gods words, actually never teach a rapture in the order of events Christ taught.
It could seem like it was ; only if you are not actually familiar with what the Bible teaches in full . Perhaps because you've never read it with understanding. Study times time, and it takes years of thought and prayer. Given all the noise in the world , its not always apparent without study
What Often happens, is people are spoon fed the bible, without reading nor studying it themselves. This happens so much, that its the reason why there are so many denominations in Christianity. The bible teaches us to have No divisions among the many memebered body of Christ. Yet due to people not actually caring about the literature of their faith, and basically don't care That much about God, they neglect His word . its that serious .People who should know better don't really care.
Too many rely on commentary rather then whats plainly written. Even in study.
To understand why rapture is so popular, you have to understand it goes hand in hand with another false teaching, which says the Tribulation is one of war and violence, and paint and suffering .. They come to that conclusion, because they dont understand what the symbolism means in Revelation and in the gospels. The vast majority of Christians today, dont realize the meanings of the language is explained in the Bible .
So they resort to the simplest surface reading at a glance, and most self proclaimed Christian leaders that that approach, they dumb it down, to were it has people reading this literally in every case regardless of the subject matter.
They are in effect interpreting scripture. They dont follow what they are reading .They make it up .
The actual true nature of the tribulation of Satan is one of deception, with consequence on the soul. Not the body.
When Christ returns, the body is dissolved away, or is transfigured at His return. And all thats left, is the question of their salvation or lack thereof .
Satan knows this, and the bible warns about this, That Gods will hit the earth this with deception, and anyone thats not on the foundation of Christ, the Living Word is going to be swept away in a flood of lies from Satan himself.
Id encourage you to take the Bible seriously, as its Gods words, and its your faith. It is always good to pray to God about it. Ask Him to open the scriptures up to you in Chirsts' name ..
I'm always available to point out scriptures, if you want to chat .
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The other way is not the way. Jesus is the way.
1 Thess 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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My nickname, "otherway," is not in opposition to Christ.
It is in opposition to wayward Christians, like people who advocate false doctrines like the rapture . So to that id say go the other way back to Christs words.
notuptome the verse you quoted is about life after death. It is Not about the tribulation .. Now you want to interject a false narrative into the passage about rapture before the trib, despite passage not mentioning either .
The subject is life after death, then Paul mentions the reuturn of Christ, to comfort those who dispare at ever being united with their loved ones.
We know we all will be united when Christ returns ...
Now rapture, before the trib, is not even mentioned. So whos going the wrong way in reality with those facts in mind notuptome ? Certainly not me .
Rapture is the wrong way. It is a anti-christ teaching.
It is in opposition to wayward Christians, like people who advocate false doctrines like the rapture . So to that id say go the other way back to Christs words.
notuptome the verse you quoted is about life after death. It is Not about the tribulation .. Now you want to interject a false narrative into the passage about rapture before the trib, despite passage not mentioning either .
The subject is life after death, then Paul mentions the reuturn of Christ, to comfort those who dispare at ever being united with their loved ones.
We know we all will be united when Christ returns ...
Now rapture, before the trib, is not even mentioned. So whos going the wrong way in reality with those facts in mind notuptome ? Certainly not me .
Rapture is the wrong way. It is a anti-christ teaching.
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So Paul was teaching anti-Christ doctrine? 1 Thess 4 is speaking of the translation of living saints into the presence of the Lord and taking the sleeping saints of God up with them into heaven.
Paul also taught this to the Corinthians.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Only the ignorant would expect to be subjected to the terrible tribulation God has stored up against the world.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I want to clarify, im not against Christians, i love the brothers and sisters. But the bad teachings that infect the body of believers, im opposed to . Unfortunately, believers who take up false doctrines puts me between a rock and them .. Ill choose to go against them every time ; rather than the Rock.
If only all of you could understand that Jesus really meant "soon" when He said "soon", and that the tribulation of which He spoke of as "coming soon" has been finished for a couple of thousand years.
You guys impossibly screw up so much Scripture by trying your best to drag ancient history into our century.
You guys impossibly screw up so much Scripture by trying your best to drag ancient history into our century.