CAN A CHRISTIAN BE PRO-GAY MARRIAGE?

[Magenta]

I've never found an instance of consensual sex between two people of the same sex who are married and of proper age condemned, but that's just what I found. And hundreds of other Christian scholars found..

Could you show us evidence of homosexual marriage being allowed before now?

 

[RedRoseGreenThorns]

Could you show us evidence of homosexual marriage being allowed before now?

I cannot, but my point is I can't find it being condemned either so....

 

[Magenta]

I follow the Bible strictly. Issue is I analyze it further than most, I read into deeply Into translation of the text and the context of the text. I've gone deeper in another thread but basically every time homosexuality is mentioned it's either translated from a word that doesn't mean homosexual or it's a context thing.

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

How can this be seen as anything other than homosexuality?

 

[Magenta]

I cannot, but my point is I can't find it being condemned either so....

Then you made no point with your statement, since homosexual marriage was never allowed before, therefore there could not possibly be a Biblical instance of such a couple being condemned, because no such couple existed!

 

[oldethennew]

just take a moment and think of how immature and 'un-read' this person must be,
and 'pray for them', as I hope and pray that there were some who hoped and prayed
for me at certain times of my life, as our Holy Saviour was calling me...

 

[kaylagrl]

I follow the Bible strictly. Issue is I analyze it further than most, I read into deeply
Into translation of the text and the context of the text. I've gone deeper in another thread but basically every time homosexuality is mentioned it's either translated from a word that doesn't mean homosexual or it's a context thing.

For instance, in the English version Jesus condemns homosexuality.

If you study the actually meanings of the original words the verse is translated from, you find out the reason he condemned it was because people who followed fake gods would have public, homosexual sex.

I've never found an instance of consensual sex between two people of the same sex who are married and of proper age condemned, but that's just what I found. And hundreds of other Christian scholars found..

Whatever, you can have your opinion just understand you're not the only one with evidence to support your claim.

My evidence is simple, God created Adam and Eve and from them ordained marriage and the act of sex and the order of family with the husband being the head. Thats all the evidence that is needed. Now people will explain it away because it doesn't fit the way they want to live their lives. But that doesn't change the truth. You ignored what I said,honestly ask God,"is this something I need to change in my life,and if it is change my desire." You're fooling yourself if you think the God created homosexuality and is fully supportive of it. And I think down deep you know that,you just don't want to admit it. But as you said, thats between you and God. Just be careful,you do not want Him to say on that final day "depart from me,I never knew you". Blessings.

 

[TheLastKnight]

That is not the way Marriage works. God created marriage between a man and woman, a cleaving together of opposites that were created for one another. Spiritually, gay marriage cannot exist. The only way gays can be married is legally. But why would gays want to marry if it was something that God created? Why would you want Gods blessings if you don't want to follow his heart? This is the great deception that the Bible warns us about. Do not be deceived. Gay is a religion, homosexuality is an act. Fornication is a sin, do not be lead by the lusts of the flesh, but live by the spirit. God will change the hearts of those that cry out to him to make their desires in line with his will, and by their fruits you will know them.

 

[RedRoseGreenThorns]

That is not the way Marriage works. God created marriage between a man and woman, a cleaving together of opposites that were created for one another. Spiritually, gay marriage cannot exist. The only way gays can be married is legally. But why would gays want to marry if it was something that God created? Why would you want Gods blessings if you don't want to follow his heart? This is the great deception that the Bible warns us about. Do not be deceived. Gay is a religion, homosexuality is an act. Fornication is a sin, do not be lead by the lusts of the flesh, but live by the spirit. God will change the hearts of those that cry out to him to make their desires in line with his will, and by their fruits you will know them.

just take a moment and think of how immature and 'un-read' this person must be,
and 'pray for them', as I hope and pray that there were some who hoped and prayed
for me at certain times of my life, as our Holy Saviour was calling me...

Then you made no point with your statement, since homosexual marriage was never allowed before, therefore there could not possibly be a Biblical instance of such a couple being condemned, because no such couple existed!

My evidence is simple, God created Adam and Eve and from them ordained marriage and the act of sex and the order of family with the husband being the head. Thats all the evidence that is needed. Now people will explain it away because it doesn't fit the way they want to live their lives. But that doesn't change the truth. You ignored what I said,honestly ask God,"is this something I need to change in my life,and if it is change my desire." You're fooling yourself if you think the God created homosexuality and is fully supportive of it. And I think down deep you know that,you just don't want to admit it. But as you said, thats between you and God. Just be careful,you do not want Him to say on that final day "depart from me,I never knew you". Blessings.

You quoted no verses, and didn't mention Romans.

Romans 1:18-33 says,



Look closely. Nothing that God gave these unfaithful, idolatrous people over to was good or even benign. ALL were sins. All were unclean, dishonorable, inappropriate, reprobate, against nature, vile, and not fitting. Including homosexuality among men and women. This translation, the World English Bible, literally says, "vile passions". How you turn "vile passions" into "A-okay with the Lord" is beyond me.

Stop trying to find loopholes in the Bible. When you're a new creation, you should be looking to the Bible to see how to change your life to be in obedience, not to argue how whatever you're already doing is obedience. God's Word is supposed to change you. You're a new creation; stop identifying with the old. Be new, for Christ's sake!

Jesus died so you could be free from the bondage of sin. From your posts, you would think Jesus died so you could find a way to excuse your sin and keep living in it. Do you actually appreciate what Jesus did for you? If you do, you should stop purposefully living in sin when Jesus died to free you from it.

Stop being a slave to your pet sin of homosexuality. It's like you think shackles are precious jewelry or something.

Be free in Jesus' name!

*Sigh* I just had a freaking surgery, listen, I don't have time to find my research paper I wrote on this. I'm stressed as it is, I'm not going to spend hours giving you all my proof. The proof is for my knowledge. Maybe when I'm better I'll post it, but, right now I just had a major surgery, I had cholangitis I could have died and it hurts. It freaking hurts. I have my evidence but you know what I don't have time to defend my opinions or beliefs. If I constantly sent you messages about how I hope God fixes your disapproval of homosexuality so you can grow closer, wouldn't you be annoyed? Wouldn't you get tired of it? If I constantly told you that deep down you believe homosexuality is okay with God but you don't want to admit it? You would be sick and tired, and you'd want to defend yourself. You call me out on defending myself when you constantly need to remind yourself homosexuality isn't okay and what a good job you're doing by telling me these things, even though you know full well I've heard it all.

You see, I don't do that to people. Jesus will not turn me down for being wrong, if I actually am, which I don't believe is the case. He'd judge me, but if I accept him and give it my honest shot and make a few mistakes like being wrong about homosexuality he'll accept me. Because I didn't choose to live in sin. I went into a surgery knowing I could die, don't you think if any part of me truly believed I was wrong about homosexuality I'd be fearful, tell God I was wrong and ask for forgiveness?

There was another time in my life when I had another possibly life threatening surgery. I knew I could die, I was thirteen, I was an Athiest and knew deep down God was real, and I apologized for my sin, I accepted him back into my life after shutting him out.

I have chronic liver disease, I'm not even in my thirties or close, I've never drank or smoked... I've suffered plenty. I wake up every morning in crippling pain and ring the call bell for IV pain meds, at home I wake up every morning in crippling pain and rush to get my oral painkillers. I suffer every single day. You know why unlike many other people in my classes who suffer from depression and anxiety have tried to kill themselves, but I who have anxiety, depression and more haven't ever attempted suicide or self harm? Because they're lost sheep. They no not God, they no not Christ.

So, if you could send me messages like, " in my opinion I hope you change your veiw on homosexuality but I respect your belief" not "deep down you know what God thinks of your lifestyle" that would be wonderful, because I don't mean to sound rude, and I'm sure there are those of you have had problems as bad as mine, still, many of you will never know my pain. The way I get a panic attack everytime my neck is sore because one time in the hospital I had an allergic reaction to a medication that caused my neck to spasm uncontrollably and turn from side to side, while idoit residents who are just doctors in training decides to give me some iv Valume instead of calling the actual doctor to find out I wasn't stressed I was having a reaction and needed benendril to counter act the medication properly. The way I experience often bouts of depression and the way I so often have severe anxiety, the way I have to stress about missing my classes... Few will understand it.


*Sigh* I just had a freaking surgery, listen, I don't have time to find my research paper I wrote on this. I'm stressed as it is, I'm not going to spend hours giving you all my proof. The proof is for my knowledge. Maybe when I'm better I'll post it, but, right now I just had a major surgery, I had cholangitis I could have died and it hurts. It freaking hurts. I have my evidence but you know what I don't have time to defend my opinions or beliefs. If I constantly sent you messages about how I hope God fixes your disapproval of homosexuality so you can grow closer, wouldn't you be annoyed? Wouldn't you get tired of it? If I constantly told you that deep down you believe homosexuality is okay with God but you don't want to admit it? You would be sick and tired, and you'd want to defend yourself. You call me out on defending myself when you constantly need to remind yourself homosexuality isn't okay and what a good job you're doing by telling me these things, even though you know full well I've heard it all.

You see, I don't do that to people. Jesus will not turn me down for being wrong, if I actually am, which I don't believe is the case. He'd judge me, but if I accept him and give it my honest shot and make a few mistakes like being wrong about homosexuality he'll accept me. Because I didn't choose to live in sin. I went into a surgery knowing I could die, don't you think if any part of me truly believed I was wrong about homosexuality I'd be fearful, tell God I was wrong and ask for forgiveness?

There was another time in my life when I had another possibly life threatening surgery. I knew I could die, I was thirteen, I was an Athiest and knew deep down God was real, and I apologized for my sin, I accepted him back into my life after shutting him out.

I have chronic liver disease, I'm not even near my thirties or close, I've never drank or smoked... I'm not saying I'm perfect or the perfect Christian but I've never been mad at God about my illness. I wake up every morning in crippling pain and ring the call bell for IV pain meds while in the hospital, at home I wake up every morning in crippling pain and rush to get my oral painkillers. I suffer every single day. You know why unlike many other people in my classes who suffer from depression and anxiety have tried to kill themselves, but I, who has anxiety, depression and more hasn't ever attempted suicide or self harm? Because they're lost sheep. They no not God, they no not Christ.

So, if you could stop constantly saying all of your speils of this thread that isn't even supposed to be about homosexuality that would be great. Thing like, " in my opinion I hope you change your veiw on homosexuality but I respect your belief" I'll accept, but not "deep down you know what God thinks of your lifestyle" not doing that would be wonderful, because I don't mean to sound rude, and I'm sure there are those of you have had problems as bad as mine, still, many of you will never know my pain. The way I get a panic attack everytime my neck is sore because one time in the hospital I had an allergic reaction to a medication that caused my neck to spasm uncontrollably and turn from side to side, while idoit residents who are just doctors in training decides to give me some iv Valume instead of calling the actual doctor to find out I wasn't stressed I was having a reaction and needed benendril to counter act the medication properly. The way I experience often bouts of depression and the way I so often have severe anxiety, the way I have to stress about missing my classes... Few will understand it.

 

[TheLastKnight]

Why do you rely on your own understanding? Rely on the understanding of the Lord. You are under attack, God's powers are without bounds. God the father can heal you from all of these medical ailments and your exhaustion. Call upon the Lord and he will give you rest. Submit to the Lord and he will carry you. Submit to God and he will make your desires in line with his will. I pray that you find God's healing hand and your liver be restored and you given patience. I pray that the Father takes your pain and gives you comfort. May you find a faith greater than you have ever known. I love you sister.

*Sigh* I just had a freaking surgery, listen, I don't have time to find my research paper I wrote on this. I'm stressed as it is, I'm not going to spend hours giving you all my proof. The proof is for my knowledge. Maybe when I'm better I'll post it, but, right now I just had a major surgery, I had cholangitis I could have died and it hurts. It freaking hurts. I have my evidence but you know what I don't have time to defend my opinions or beliefs. If I constantly sent you messages about how I hope God fixes your disapproval of homosexuality so you can grow closer, wouldn't you be annoyed? Wouldn't you get tired of it? If I constantly told you that deep down you believe homosexuality is okay with God but you don't want to admit it? You would be sick and tired, and you'd want to defend yourself. You call me out on defending myself when you constantly need to remind yourself homosexuality isn't okay and what a good job you're doing by telling me these things, even though you know full well I've heard it all.

You see, I don't do that to people. Jesus will not turn me down for being wrong, if I actually am, which I don't believe is the case. He'd judge me, but if I accept him and give it my honest shot and make a few mistakes like being wrong about homosexuality he'll accept me. Because I didn't choose to live in sin. I went into a surgery knowing I could die, don't you think if any part of me truly believed I was wrong about homosexuality I'd be fearful, tell God I was wrong and ask for forgiveness?

There was another time in my life when I had another possibly life threatening surgery. I knew I could die, I was thirteen, I was an Athiest and knew deep down God was real, and I apologized for my sin, I accepted him back into my life after shutting him out.

I have chronic liver disease, I'm not even in my thirties or close, I've never drank or smoked... I've suffered plenty. I wake up every morning in crippling pain and ring the call bell for IV pain meds, at home I wake up every morning in crippling pain and rush to get my oral painkillers. I suffer every single day. You know why unlike many other people in my classes who suffer from depression and anxiety have tried to kill themselves, but I who have anxiety, depression and more haven't ever attempted suicide or self harm? Because they're lost sheep. They no not God, they no not Christ.

So, if you could send me messages like, " in my opinion I hope you change your veiw on homosexuality but I respect your belief" not "deep down you know what God thinks of your lifestyle" that would be wonderful, because I don't mean to sound rude, and I'm sure there are those of you have had problems as bad as mine, still, many of you will never know my pain. The way I get a panic attack everytime my neck is sore because one time in the hospital I had an allergic reaction to a medication that caused my neck to spasm uncontrollably and turn from side to side, while idoit residents who are just doctors in training decides to give me some iv Valume instead of calling the actual doctor to find out I wasn't stressed I was having a reaction and needed benendril to counter act the medication properly. The way I experience often bouts of depression and the way I so often have severe anxiety, the way I have to stress about missing my classes... Few will understand it.


*Sigh* I just had a freaking surgery, listen, I don't have time to find my research paper I wrote on this. I'm stressed as it is, I'm not going to spend hours giving you all my proof. The proof is for my knowledge. Maybe when I'm better I'll post it, but, right now I just had a major surgery, I had cholangitis I could have died and it hurts. It freaking hurts. I have my evidence but you know what I don't have time to defend my opinions or beliefs. If I constantly sent you messages about how I hope God fixes your disapproval of homosexuality so you can grow closer, wouldn't you be annoyed? Wouldn't you get tired of it? If I constantly told you that deep down you believe homosexuality is okay with God but you don't want to admit it? You would be sick and tired, and you'd want to defend yourself. You call me out on defending myself when you constantly need to remind yourself homosexuality isn't okay and what a good job you're doing by telling me these things, even though you know full well I've heard it all.

You see, I don't do that to people. Jesus will not turn me down for being wrong, if I actually am, which I don't believe is the case. He'd judge me, but if I accept him and give it my honest shot and make a few mistakes like being wrong about homosexuality he'll accept me. Because I didn't choose to live in sin. I went into a surgery knowing I could die, don't you think if any part of me truly believed I was wrong about homosexuality I'd be fearful, tell God I was wrong and ask for forgiveness?

There was another time in my life when I had another possibly life threatening surgery. I knew I could die, I was thirteen, I was an Athiest and knew deep down God was real, and I apologized for my sin, I accepted him back into my life after shutting him out.

I have chronic liver disease, I'm not even near my thirties or close, I've never drank or smoked... I'm not saying I'm perfect or the perfect Christian but I've never been mad at God about my illness. I wake up every morning in crippling pain and ring the call bell for IV pain meds while in the hospital, at home I wake up every morning in crippling pain and rush to get my oral painkillers. I suffer every single day. You know why unlike many other people in my classes who suffer from depression and anxiety have tried to kill themselves, but I, who has anxiety, depression and more hasn't ever attempted suicide or self harm? Because they're lost sheep. They no not God, they no not Christ.

So, if you could stop constantly saying all of your speils of this thread that isn't even supposed to be about homosexuality that would be great. Thing like, " in my opinion I hope you change your veiw on homosexuality but I respect your belief" I'll accept, but not "deep down you know what God thinks of your lifestyle" not doing that would be wonderful, because I don't mean to sound rude, and I'm sure there are those of you have had problems as bad as mine, still, many of you will never know my pain. The way I get a panic attack everytime my neck is sore because one time in the hospital I had an allergic reaction to a medication that caused my neck to spasm uncontrollably and turn from side to side, while idoit residents who are just doctors in training decides to give me some iv Valume instead of calling the actual doctor to find out I wasn't stressed I was having a reaction and needed benendril to counter act the medication properly. The way I experience often bouts of depression and the way I so often have severe anxiety, the way I have to stress about missing my classes... Few will understand it.

 

[kaylagrl]

*Sigh* I just had a freaking surgery, listen, I don't have time to find my research paper I wrote on this. I'm stressed as it is, I'm not going to spend hours giving you all my proof. The proof is for my knowledge. Maybe when I'm better I'll post it, but, right now I just had a major surgery, I had cholangitis I could have died and it hurts. It freaking hurts. I have my evidence but you know what I don't have time to defend my opinions or beliefs. If I constantly sent you messages about how I hope God fixes your disapproval of homosexuality so you can grow closer, wouldn't you be annoyed? Wouldn't you get tired of it? If I constantly told you that deep down you believe homosexuality is okay with God but you don't want to admit it? You would be sick and tired, and you'd want to defend yourself. You call me out on defending myself when you constantly need to remind yourself homosexuality isn't okay and what a good job you're doing by telling me these things, even though you know full well I've heard it all.

You see, I don't do that to people. Jesus will not turn me down for being wrong, if I actually am, which I don't believe is the case. He'd judge me, but if I accept him and give it my honest shot and make a few mistakes like being wrong about homosexuality he'll accept me. Because I didn't choose to live in sin. I went into a surgery knowing I could die, don't you think if any part of me truly believed I was wrong about homosexuality I'd be fearful, tell God I was wrong and ask for forgiveness?

There was another time in my life when I had another possibly life threatening surgery. I knew I could die, I was thirteen, I was an Athiest and knew deep down God was real, and I apologized for my sin, I accepted him back into my life after shutting him out.

I have chronic liver disease, I'm not even in my thirties or close, I've never drank or smoked... I've suffered plenty. I wake up every morning in crippling pain and ring the call bell for IV pain meds, at home I wake up every morning in crippling pain and rush to get my oral painkillers. I suffer every single day. You know why unlike many other people in my classes who suffer from depression and anxiety have tried to kill themselves, but I who have anxiety, depression and more haven't ever attempted suicide or self harm? Because they're lost sheep. They no not God, they no not Christ.

So, if you could send me messages like, " in my opinion I hope you change your veiw on homosexuality but I respect your belief" not "deep down you know what God thinks of your lifestyle" that would be wonderful, because I don't mean to sound rude, and I'm sure there are those of you have had problems as bad as mine, still, many of you will never know my pain. The way I get a panic attack everytime my neck is sore because one time in the hospital I had an allergic reaction to a medication that caused my neck to spasm uncontrollably and turn from side to side, while idoit residents who are just doctors in training decides to give me some iv Valume instead of calling the actual doctor to find out I wasn't stressed I was having a reaction and needed benendril to counter act the medication properly. The way I experience often bouts of depression and the way I so often have severe anxiety, the way I have to stress about missing my classes... Few will understand it.


*Sigh* I just had a freaking surgery, listen, I don't have time to find my research paper I wrote on this. I'm stressed as it is, I'm not going to spend hours giving you all my proof. The proof is for my knowledge. Maybe when I'm better I'll post it, but, right now I just had a major surgery, I had cholangitis I could have died and it hurts. It freaking hurts. I have my evidence but you know what I don't have time to defend my opinions or beliefs. If I constantly sent you messages about how I hope God fixes your disapproval of homosexuality so you can grow closer, wouldn't you be annoyed? Wouldn't you get tired of it? If I constantly told you that deep down you believe homosexuality is okay with God but you don't want to admit it? You would be sick and tired, and you'd want to defend yourself. You call me out on defending myself when you constantly need to remind yourself homosexuality isn't okay and what a good job you're doing by telling me these things, even though you know full well I've heard it all.

You see, I don't do that to people. Jesus will not turn me down for being wrong, if I actually am, which I don't believe is the case. He'd judge me, but if I accept him and give it my honest shot and make a few mistakes like being wrong about homosexuality he'll accept me. Because I didn't choose to live in sin. I went into a surgery knowing I could die, don't you think if any part of me truly believed I was wrong about homosexuality I'd be fearful, tell God I was wrong and ask for forgiveness?

There was another time in my life when I had another possibly life threatening surgery. I knew I could die, I was thirteen, I was an Athiest and knew deep down God was real, and I apologized for my sin, I accepted him back into my life after shutting him out.

I have chronic liver disease, I'm not even near my thirties or close, I've never drank or smoked... I'm not saying I'm perfect or the perfect Christian but I've never been mad at God about my illness. I wake up every morning in crippling pain and ring the call bell for IV pain meds while in the hospital, at home I wake up every morning in crippling pain and rush to get my oral painkillers. I suffer every single day. You know why unlike many other people in my classes who suffer from depression and anxiety have tried to kill themselves, but I, who has anxiety, depression and more hasn't ever attempted suicide or self harm? Because they're lost sheep. They no not God, they no not Christ.

So, if you could stop constantly saying all of your speils of this thread that isn't even supposed to be about homosexuality that would be great. Thing like, " in my opinion I hope you change your veiw on homosexuality but I respect your belief" I'll accept, but not "deep down you know what God thinks of your lifestyle" not doing that would be wonderful, because I don't mean to sound rude, and I'm sure there are those of you have had problems as bad as mine, still, many of you will never know my pain. The way I get a panic attack everytime my neck is sore because one time in the hospital I had an allergic reaction to a medication that caused my neck to spasm uncontrollably and turn from side to side, while idoit residents who are just doctors in training decides to give me some iv Valume instead of calling the actual doctor to find out I wasn't stressed I was having a reaction and needed benendril to counter act the medication properly. The way I experience often bouts of depression and the way I so often have severe anxiety, the way I have to stress about missing my classes... Few will understand it.

Im sorry you have had surgery. Many here have suffered chronic pain and we understand sickness,Im truly sorry you are feeling unwell and pray God will touch and heal you.

You cannot come to a Christian site and expect to be told that homosexuality is ok with God. I go to church and my preacher preaches the truth of the Gospel. And there are times Im convicted of sin,I know Im wrong and I need to make it right with the Lord.I dont go to the pastor afterward and argue with him. He preached the Word,its up to me to get my life in line. There are people here that will pat you on the back and tell you are ok with God. And you like those people,you think they care about you. But if your house was on fire would you rather be told or that people would stand around and watch it burn to the ground? To me,if I truly cared about a person I would tell them the truth.If I wanted to see them in heaven,I would tell them the truth. But you think Im your enemy. You think I think Im a perfect Christian and am looking down my nose at you. And neither is true. Im not going to pat you on the back and say God is ok with homosexuality,because I feel I would be lying to you and putting your soul in danger. But for that you dislike me and love others who are telling you you're ok with God.

Im very glad you have accepted Jesus but you also need to grow and mature in the faith. And you can only do that if you will allow the Holy Spirit to convict you when you are wrong. Now Im not saying we cannot fail as Christians,that we dont struggle with sin at times,that we're perfect people. But God cannot allow sin to enter heaven,and He cannot look the other way if you continue to live opposite to His Word. Yes, you can struggle,but you are saying God is ok with homosexuality and He is not. Anyone who has told you that is lying to you and you are putting your soul in danger. Im sorry that makes you anger,Im sorry that makes you dislike me,but I cannot sit by and not tell you the truth as I see others here saying its ok and God accepts you as you are.

Again,I do understand chronic pain. And therefore I hate to see people suffer,I empathize.And when you suffer chronic pain anxiety and depression come with it,others just cannot understand unless they go though it. Im not a person who believes God puts sickness on people,but I believe He can use it to bring us closer to Him and I think He has done that for you. I hope you hear me,I believe you are a Christian,that you have God in your heart. But you have more growing to do. I believe that if you stay open to hearing Him He will change your path. I cannot say I respect your belief,Im sorry,I cannot do that. But I can say I love you in the Lord,I pray you will be healed and that God will open your heart to the truth of His Word. Im not trying to be hateful or hurtful. I hope you can understand what Im saying.If not you can put me on ignore.

 

[RedRoseGreenThorns]

*Sigh* I just had a freaking surgery, listen, I don't have time to find my research paper I wrote on this. I'm stressed as it is, I'm not going to spend hours giving you all my proof. The proof is for my knowledge. Maybe when I'm better I'll post it, but, right now I just had a major surgery, I had cholangitis I could have died and it hurts. It freaking hurts. I have my evidence but you know what I don't have time to defend my opinions or beliefs. If I constantly sent you messages about how I hope God fixes your disapproval of homosexuality so you can grow closer, wouldn't you be annoyed? Wouldn't you get tired of it? If I constantly told you that deep down you believe homosexuality is okay with God but you don't want to admit it? You would be sick and tired, and you'd want to defend yourself. You call me out on defending myself when you constantly need to remind yourself homosexuality isn't okay and what a good job you're doing by telling me these things, even though you know full well I've heard it all.

You see, I don't do that to people. Jesus will not turn me down for being wrong, if I actually am, which I don't believe is the case. He'd judge me, but if I accept him and give it my honest shot and make a few mistakes like being wrong about homosexuality he'll accept me. Because I didn't choose to live in sin. I went into a surgery knowing I could die, don't you think if any part of me truly believed I was wrong about homosexuality I'd be fearful, tell God I was wrong and ask for forgiveness?

There was another time in my life when I had another possibly life threatening surgery. I knew I could die, I was thirteen, I was an Athiest and knew deep down God was real, and I apologized for my sin, I accepted him back into my life after shutting him out.

I have chronic liver disease, I'm not even in my thirties or close, I've never drank or smoked... I've suffered plenty. I wake up every morning in crippling pain and ring the call bell for IV pain meds, at home I wake up every morning in crippling pain and rush to get my oral painkillers. I suffer every single day. You know why unlike many other people in my classes who suffer from depression and anxiety have tried to kill themselves, but I who have anxiety, depression and more haven't ever attempted suicide or self harm? Because they're lost sheep. They no not God, they no not Christ.

So, if you could send me messages like, " in my opinion I hope you change your veiw on homosexuality but I respect your belief" not "deep down you know what God thinks of your lifestyle" that would be wonderful, because I don't mean to sound rude, and I'm sure there are those of you have had problems as bad as mine, still, many of you will never know my pain. The way I get a panic attack everytime my neck is sore because one time in the hospital I had an allergic reaction to a medication that caused my neck to spasm uncontrollably and turn from side to side, while idoit residents who are just doctors in training decides to give me some iv Valume instead of calling the actual doctor to find out I wasn't stressed I was having a reaction and needed benendril to counter act the medication properly. The way I experience often bouts of depression and the way I so often have severe anxiety, the way I have to stress about missing my classes... Few will understand it.


*Sigh* I just had a freaking surgery, listen, I don't have time to find my research paper I wrote on this. I'm stressed as it is, I'm not going to spend hours giving you all my proof. The proof is for my knowledge. Maybe when I'm better I'll post it, but, right now I just had a major surgery, I had cholangitis I could have died and it hurts. It freaking hurts. I have my evidence but you know what I don't have time to defend my opinions or beliefs. If I constantly sent you messages about how I hope God fixes your disapproval of homosexuality so you can grow closer, wouldn't you be annoyed? Wouldn't you get tired of it? If I constantly told you that deep down you believe homosexuality is okay with God but you don't want to admit it? You would be sick and tired, and you'd want to defend yourself. You call me out on defending myself when you constantly need to remind yourself homosexuality isn't okay and what a good job you're doing by telling me these things, even though you know full well I've heard it all.

You see, I don't do that to people. Jesus will not turn me down for being wrong, if I actually am, which I don't believe is the case. He'd judge me, but if I accept him and give it my honest shot and make a few mistakes like being wrong about homosexuality he'll accept me. Because I didn't choose to live in sin. I went into a surgery knowing I could die, don't you think if any part of me truly believed I was wrong about homosexuality I'd be fearful, tell God I was wrong and ask for forgiveness?

There was another time in my life when I had another possibly life threatening surgery. I knew I could die, I was thirteen, I was an Athiest and knew deep down God was real, and I apologized for my sin, I accepted him back into my life after shutting him out.

I have chronic liver disease, I'm not even near my thirties or close, I've never drank or smoked... I'm not saying I'm perfect or the perfect Christian but I've never been mad at God about my illness. I wake up every morning in crippling pain and ring the call bell for IV pain meds while in the hospital, at home I wake up every morning in crippling pain and rush to get my oral painkillers. I suffer every single day. You know why unlike many other people in my classes who suffer from depression and anxiety have tried to kill themselves, but I, who has anxiety, depression and more hasn't ever attempted suicide or self harm? Because they're lost sheep. They no not God, they no not Christ.

So, if you could stop constantly saying all of your speils of this thread that isn't even supposed to be about homosexuality that would be great. Thing like, " in my opinion I hope you change your veiw on homosexuality but I respect your belief" I'll accept, but not "deep down you know what God thinks of your lifestyle" not doing that would be wonderful, because I don't mean to sound rude, and I'm sure there are those of you have had problems as bad as mine, still, many of you will never know my pain. The way I get a panic attack everytime my neck is sore because one time in the hospital I had an allergic reaction to a medication that caused my neck to spasm uncontrollably and turn from side to side, while idoit residents who are just doctors in training decides to give me some iv Valume instead of calling the actual doctor to find out I wasn't stressed I was having a reaction and needed benendril to counter act the medication properly. The way I experience often bouts of depression and the way I so often have severe anxiety, the way I have to stress about missing my classes... Few will understand it.

I wrote this in a notebook app and accidentally put my spiel in twice, didn't mean to do that.

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

*Sigh* I just had a freaking surgery, listen, I don't have time to find my research paper I wrote on this. I'm stressed as it is, I'm not going to spend hours giving you all my proof. The proof is for my knowledge. Maybe when I'm better I'll post it, but, right now I just had a major surgery, I had cholangitis I could have died and it hurts. It freaking hurts. I have my evidence but you know what I don't have time to defend my opinions or beliefs. If I constantly sent you messages about how I hope God fixes your disapproval of homosexuality so you can grow closer, wouldn't you be annoyed? Wouldn't you get tired of it? If I constantly told you that deep down you believe homosexuality is okay with God but you don't want to admit it? You would be sick and tired, and you'd want to defend yourself. You call me out on defending myself when you constantly need to remind yourself homosexuality isn't okay and what a good job you're doing by telling me these things, even though you know full well I've heard it all.

You see, I don't do that to people. Jesus will not turn me down for being wrong, if I actually am, which I don't believe is the case. He'd judge me, but if I accept him and give it my honest shot and make a few mistakes like being wrong about homosexuality he'll accept me. Because I didn't choose to live in sin. I went into a surgery knowing I could die, don't you think if any part of me truly believed I was wrong about homosexuality I'd be fearful, tell God I was wrong and ask for forgiveness?

There was another time in my life when I had another possibly life threatening surgery. I knew I could die, I was thirteen, I was an Athiest and knew deep down God was real, and I apologized for my sin, I accepted him back into my life after shutting him out.

I have chronic liver disease, I'm not even in my thirties or close, I've never drank or smoked... I've suffered plenty. I wake up every morning in crippling pain and ring the call bell for IV pain meds, at home I wake up every morning in crippling pain and rush to get my oral painkillers. I suffer every single day. You know why unlike many other people in my classes who suffer from depression and anxiety have tried to kill themselves, but I who have anxiety, depression and more haven't ever attempted suicide or self harm? Because they're lost sheep. They no not God, they no not Christ.

So, if you could send me messages like, " in my opinion I hope you change your veiw on homosexuality but I respect your belief" not "deep down you know what God thinks of your lifestyle" that would be wonderful, because I don't mean to sound rude, and I'm sure there are those of you have had problems as bad as mine, still, many of you will never know my pain. The way I get a panic attack everytime my neck is sore because one time in the hospital I had an allergic reaction to a medication that caused my neck to spasm uncontrollably and turn from side to side, while idoit residents who are just doctors in training decides to give me some iv Valume instead of calling the actual doctor to find out I wasn't stressed I was having a reaction and needed benendril to counter act the medication properly. The way I experience often bouts of depression and the way I so often have severe anxiety, the way I have to stress about missing my classes... Few will understand it.

You're banned and may never see this, but I'm gonna say this anyway, for whoever may see it and need it:

Your pain does not excuse your sin or promotion thereof.

Point blank, period. That goes for everyone.

Not to sound callous. I get pain.

Jesus gets pain too, and he never sinned or promoted sin.

 

[Lady4Him]

can a christian be pro sin?

Great question! Godliness and sin cannot live in harmony. Fleshly and spiritual desires do not go hand in hand. Light and darkness cannot dwell together. (2 Corinthians 6:14)

 

[princessmagical]

There's no such thing as "gay marriage." If you're in Christ Jesus, you're not LGBT. If you're in Christ Jesus, you're a child of God. God makes no one LGBT as Satan wants us to believe.

 

[princessmagical]

Once saved, always saved is a lie from Satan though. The Holy Spirit would leave me if I went back into the world and did the things again that Jesus freed me from. I would have to repent and commit all over again. God's Word is clear about defilement and watching our lives and doctrine closely. This is why we need the Holy Spirit in us to lead us and we need a committed relationship with Jesus and be in His Word.

 

[Grace777x70]

The Holy Spirit is with us forever Jesus said.

John 14:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

[SUP]17 [/SUP]that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

The Spirit of truth is with us forever!

2 John 1:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will be with us and in us forever. John 14:16-17. Our Lord is NOT a liar.


John says we are safe in the Lord as He keeps us. Isn't that exciting to know that?

 

[Enow]

Can a mature Christian be pro-gay marriage?

There are a number of individuals within the Church that categorize themselves as evangelicals who are promoting gay marriage.

Many of them are younger Christians, and they tend to be gay or bisexual themselves. However, some churches, as we know, support gay marriage and even gay leadership within the church.


My position is that this is one of the issues which sort out true Christians and organizations that God is working through from those that are not true Christians and organizations that he is not working through. It is going to become plainer and plainer which people and organizations belong to Him and which people and organizations are in rebellion against Him, despite their claims.

God sent two plumb lines out across the nations to see whom will depart from faith to resorting to their own powers and/or chase after other gods, and this had happened in 1994 in regards to the Promise Keepers' program and the "holy laughter" movement. Indeed.... in Missouri ... a PK convention merged with the "holy laughter" movement.

This is not saying that those whom had departed from faith are not saved any more, but they are no longer abiding in Him. They went out so that it may be manifested that they were not of us.. of the flock that followed His voice.

So in that respect, the issue of homosexuality, or fornication, or adultery or any other rationalization of the church with the works of the flesh is not indicative that they are fake christians, but are saved believers not abiding in Him as His disciples.

You can preach the gospel to them until you are blue in the face but they already know the gospel. So what would you do then? You correct them by the scripture of what that iniquity is or even rebuke them sharply so that they may be sound in the faith, but if they do not look to Him for help to repent from that bondage to sin and to death, then we are to admonish them by withdrawing from fellowship with them or even having company with them outside the church so that they may be led to repentance. 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7,14-15 specifically stated that such carnal believers are still our brothers. If the Lord leads them to repentance, then they do not have to go through the ordinance that they went through in the beginning when they were saved, ( the laying on of hands,, the water baptism.. etc. ) but simply allowed back into fellowship with a testimony before the congregation of the believer's repentance so that all will know why that believer was allowed back in.

So a mature christian cannot be pro gay marriage, but that is not an indicator that he is not a true christian, but rather a saved believer no longer abiding in Him as His disciple and is in need of correction & excommunication when unrepentive.

 

[Gerhard]

I find your response to the question thoughtful and correct. What was the defining factor in arriving at your conclusion please? Thanks, Gerhard

 

[Embankment]

It seems easy to use the gay marriage issue as a barometer to judge someone's Christian standing. However, every single one of us sin willingly every day of our lives. Each of us has the power to stop sinning in some aspect of our lives but consciously choose not too. Does that make us not a true Christian? Consider Matthew 19:16-22 as one example. Jesus lists many ways we deceive God willfully and of our own accord. Some are just much harder to point out on someone else.

 

[preacher4truth]

It seems easy to use the gay marriage issue as a barometer to judge someone's Christian standing. However, every single one of us sin willingly every day of our lives. Each of us has the power to stop sinning in some aspect of our lives but consciously choose not too. Does that make us not a true Christian?

You appear to be conflating things here, as it appears you are supporting that living a lifestyle of sodomy is of no matter, the person still is truly converted and can live in sin, because we all sin.

One must examine this in light of Scripture, and determine what is the meaning of practicing sin, what is true conversion. and what is the meaning of having to wash one's feet.

Note 1 John 3:4-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Ephesians 5:5; John 13:10. Note also 2 Corinthians 3:17-18 and specifically the word "all" there in reference to the converted.

Consider Matthew 19:16-22 as one example. Jesus lists many ways we deceive God willfully and of our own accord. Some are just much harder to point out on someone else.

That example is of a person who is lost in sin, it is not a picture of a convert, but instead of one in need of salvation. The context isn't the Christian life at all, as you are using it.