CAN A CHRISTIAN BE PRO-GAY MARRIAGE?

[OtherWay210]

I dont think it is that easy to sort out the good or bad fruit these churches teach.

Any church accepting of homosexuality is clearly confused and or not even a church .

But i believe its a distraction, from more subtl teachings Satan uses to ride in upon unsuspecting people.
False Doctrines take many forms .
Hes not showing up in drag .

Just shows the state of spiritual decay the world is in Due largely in part to Liberal communist social media .
A lot of new churches, are really fake . They're " front groups " set up by communist atheist with a lot of money and too much time .

And its sad to see conservatives cower when faced with questions now a days

homosexuality ; is wrong . The Bible teaches it is sin, in the OT and NT.. Anyone can read it themselves.

God said be fruitful and multiply. We have a population shortage in the US. And no wonder.

 

[Embankment]

You appear to be conflating things here, as it appears you are supporting that living a lifestyle of sodomy is of no matter, the person still is truly converted and can live in sin, because we all sin.

One must examine this in light of Scripture, and determine what is the meaning of practicing sin, what is true conversion. and what is the meaning of having to wash one's feet.

Note 1 John 3:4-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Ephesians 5:5; John 13:10. Note also 2 Corinthians 3:17-18 and specifically the word "all" there in reference to the converted.



That example is of a person who is lost in sin, it is not a picture of a convert, but instead of one in need of salvation. The context isn't the Christian life at all, as you are using it.

The example given is of a man who values wealth more than serving God. It is something we all do. Greed is as sinful as sodomy, lust or anger. Each without the atonement of Jesus leads to death. Each with Jesus grace leads to life.

 

[OtherWay210]

The question is about supporting, thus advocating and or promoting and tolerating it as a believer
("" pro gay "" ).
That is a big fat NO for any church or christian to be teaching sin ...


The question is not whether or not a sinner, is living in that sin, and has to repent and get out of that.
God will judge. we all have sins . But that sin will destroy your walk with God . I can lead down road of darkness .

God does not tolerate sin .

That being said The bible warns, if your consenting to peoples sins, you become partakers of their evil deeds. and you'll answer for it too .

 

[DJ2]

I've never found an instance of consensual sex between two people of the same sex who are married and of proper age condemned

Though the subjects may differ, this line of reasoning is a common error in biblical study. The author assumes that because no one can show an example of something not being directly condemned it must be acceptable, ignoring the precedence of what is written on the subject.

This should be a warning when we find ourselves using the, "well it does not say I can't do it this way" excuse, when the Bible clearly presents the proper order on a subject.

 

[Inquistor]

I don't for a second think it's my "duty" to tell unbelieving homosexuals how they are supposed to live. They don't need to change their behavior...they need to hear the gospel.

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1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men

 

[DJ2]

It seems easy to use the gay marriage issue as a barometer to judge someone's Christian standing. However, every single one of us sin willingly every day of our lives. Each of us has the power to stop sinning in some aspect of our lives but consciously choose not too. Does that make us not a true Christian? Consider Matthew 19:16-22 as one example. Jesus lists many ways we deceive God willfully and of our own accord. Some are just much harder to point out on someone else.

If your question is can a person be pro-greed then the answer is no, a Christian cannot be pro-adultery or pro-thievery either.

Can these things happen in the life of a Christian, of course. Can they be accepted or tolerated, of course not.

This should not even be in question.

 

[Embankment]

If your question is can a person be pro-greed then the answer is no, a Christian cannot be pro-adultery or pro-thievery either.

Can these things happen in the life of a Christian, of course. Can they be accepted or tolerated, of course not.

This should not even be in question.

I think God would consider you greedy, an adulterer and thief by his standards. That is unless you think you are perfect?

 

[Inquistor]

I think God would consider you greedy, an adulterer and thief by his standards. That is unless you think you are perfect?

1 Corinthians 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.

 

[Embankment]

1 Corinthians 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.

True but that makes these no worse or no better than any other sin. Sin is sin.

 

[Inquistor]

True but that makes these no worse or no better than any other sin. Sin is sin.

Paul did not think so, which was why he commented about that!

 

[DJ2]

I think God would consider you greedy, an adulterer and thief by his standards. That is unless you think you are perfect?

This is true for all of us, we are all greedy, adulterers and thieves by His standards.

That does not mean we as Christians should be pro-greed, pro-adultery or pro-thievery. This is the point of the OP. Christians are all of these and more but they can not be "pro-" these things.

How can you not see this?

 

[Embankment]

Paul did not think so, which was why he commented about that!

Paul called out many sins. I imagine he was dealing with folks that thought sex was not a sin. No question that no sin is above another.

 

[maxwel]

Preacher4truth said people were conflating a couple of different issues.

When it comes to this topic, I think people often conflate MANY different issues.
I think this is what accounts for MOST of the disagreement and confusion among Christians.

That said, I think we have some people on this forum who think homosexuals should be given the "legal right" to marry, for various social, and legal reasons. The people who feel this way aren't necessarily saying homosexual activity is not a sin, but rather they are saying we should not legislate against every particular sin.

I disagree with that line of reasoning, as I think they're confusing a lot of particulars that need to be parsed out.
I think this particular train of thought breaks down both logically and biblically.

However, when debating with someone, it's best to first CAREFULLY IDENTIFY what they really believe, and what they are really saying.

The Christians who believe gay marriage should be "allowed" as a legal right, are not necessarily in favor of gay marriage, or saying homosexuality is not a sin. They aren't all intending to "promote" gay marriage, and "promote" sin.
So we can't accuse them of intentions they don't necessarily have.

However, I think that because they are confused by the culture, and confused by clever arguments, they are UNINTENTIONALLY sort of INDIRECTLY PROMOTING a very sinful state of affairs.



Many things get conflated.
Let's be careful to correctly identify someone's true position before we argue against it.

 

[Magenta]

True but that makes these no worse or no better than any other sin. Sin is sin.

All sins are not equal. Jesus said so

 

[Inquistor]

Paul called out many sins. I imagine he was dealing with folks that thought sex was not a sin. No question that no sin is above another.

God called homosexuality an ABOMINATION!


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[star]

Sin is sin. All sin is despicable in God's eyes.

The consequences of sin differ. Some sins create much more damage than others. Some consequences of sin can last a lifetime.

 

[Embankment]

All sins are equal! They all kill the unbeliever. Of corse there is really just one sin and that is not trusting God. All others fall under that category. The Unpardonable sin is just that. Not sure what you guys think Jesus died for if it was not for all our sins?

 

[Tommy379]

I'm all for joyful and happy marriages.

 

[star]

All sins are equal! They all kill the unbeliever. Of corse there is really just one sin and that is not trusting God. All others fall under that category. The Unpardonable sin is just that. Not sure what you guys think Jesus died for if it was not for all our sins?

Yes sin is sin and God cannot uphold any sin. Like I said, some sins produce more havoc than others and the consequences are different for various sins. The consequences equals to the aftermath of sin. No, there are many sins and not just one. The only sin leading to death is unbelief.

Not sure why you asked the question about what we think Jesus died for. I believe there is agreement that Christ died for all the sin in the world. Praise God He carried our sins on Himself and praise God that sacrificial Lamb made it possible for sinners to be saved.

 

[Embankment]

Yes sin is sin and God cannot uphold any sin. Like I said, some sins produce more havoc than others and the consequences are different for various sins. The consequences equals to the aftermath of sin. No, there are many sins and not just one. The only sin leading to death is unbelief.

Not sure why you asked the question about what we think Jesus died for. I believe there is agreement that Christ died for all the sin in the world. Praise God He carried our sins on Himself and praise God that sacrificial Lamb made it possible for sinners to be saved.

you seem to be trying to place some human based logic to the ranking of sin. That is fine but not Biblical. Anger, greed, immoral aces all fall into the same category.