One thing I've always felt strange as how many times in Paul's writings he speaks very highly of different women in the ministry but then in 1st Corinthians he does a complete 180 it says that women should be subservient it should not be allowed to even speak in church. This seems out of character for Paul to say this. One theory is that 1st Corinthians was a forgery and Paul and ever wrote this letter. I suppose it's all speculation
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You are dealing with 2 concepts here.
The first is working in ministry. Paul understood that there are some things a women is more suited for, and so the women that worked with Paul, would have worked in that aria. There work would not have taken place in a church, just as much of Paul's most likely didn't. A man most likely wouldn't have baptized a women, do to some close becoming see through when wet, and we all know that wet close even when not see through, can cling, and show parts of a female body in ways that should be shown. To think of Paul being 2faced, or misleading in his teachings, come in part from misunderstanding.
Next one should look at in the church. This has little to do a street ministry, and should always be seen in a different light. Paul being a Pharisee would have followed the Torah, and in so doing, would have understood that a women should not speak in church. At lest not in correction of, or to give a sermon. In some cases, Rabbinic Law, (not to be confused with Biblical Law) forbid them to even ask a question about the sermon. They were to hold off, and only ask when they got home. Even then, they were to ask only their husband.
I hope this helped you to see that the 2 things are not the same, and that Paul was not doing a 180 on you. If not please let me know, and I will try to make it a bit more clear.
The first is working in ministry. Paul understood that there are some things a women is more suited for, and so the women that worked with Paul, would have worked in that aria. There work would not have taken place in a church, just as much of Paul's most likely didn't. A man most likely wouldn't have baptized a women, do to some close becoming see through when wet, and we all know that wet close even when not see through, can cling, and show parts of a female body in ways that should be shown. To think of Paul being 2faced, or misleading in his teachings, come in part from misunderstanding.
Next one should look at in the church. This has little to do a street ministry, and should always be seen in a different light. Paul being a Pharisee would have followed the Torah, and in so doing, would have understood that a women should not speak in church. At lest not in correction of, or to give a sermon. In some cases, Rabbinic Law, (not to be confused with Biblical Law) forbid them to even ask a question about the sermon. They were to hold off, and only ask when they got home. Even then, they were to ask only their husband.
I hope this helped you to see that the 2 things are not the same, and that Paul was not doing a 180 on you. If not please let me know, and I will try to make it a bit more clear.
The same would hold most anyone that teaches on the Word. myself included. We all need to study it for our selves, with the idea that that one part can't change any other. After all was not Yeshua that said, "A house divided can't stand"? With that simple understanding, we should know that the Whole of the Word, (meaning both OT and NT) must hold the same teachings.
In 1Cor 14:54, the word ἐκκλησίας is consistently translated churches; but it means assemblies. I sometimes wonder if the word synagogues might be intended. In the first century synagogues men and women were seated separately; and women were not permitted to speak. The only other place where this is addressed in Scripture is 1 Ti 2:12
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
KJV
In both Corinth and Ephesus, Worship of Diana (Astarte) was prevalent and Cult prostitutes of Diana were a problem. It may have been necessary to caution Christian women tn these places not to behave in ways that might cause them to be mistaken for cult prostitutes.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
KJV
In both Corinth and Ephesus, Worship of Diana (Astarte) was prevalent and Cult prostitutes of Diana were a problem. It may have been necessary to caution Christian women tn these places not to behave in ways that might cause them to be mistaken for cult prostitutes.
Dude,
Let me point out a few things to also consider.
1. A genuine contradiction only exists when you try to equate two different things in EXACTLY the same way.
Simply discussing an issue from different angles, or different aspects, or in different contexts, does not constitute a logical contradiction.
2. As there IS NO GENUINE LOGICAL CONTRADICTION here... I don't know why anyone would feel the need to attempt to IMPLY ONE.
It simply doesn't make sense to try and imply a contradiction where there isn't one.
3. Since there IS NO GENUINE LOGICAL CONTRADICTION here... maybe the most reasonable thing is to try and discover how the passages COMPLIMENT each other... thus gaining a fuller view of scripture.
As a great scholar once said, "Modern textual criticism has devolved into textual vandalism".
: )
Things to consider.
It was Jesus who choose Paul to give His gospel to the world. Paul didn't wake up one day and just decide to be the messenger of Jesus. Those who call themselves "red letter Christians" miss a couple of very key points, first, when Jesus walked the earth He was here for the jews and the jews alone and second to have any hope of receiving and/or following the gospel of Jesus there is only one place to find it...Jesus Himself says He made Paul His messenger.
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Galations 1
1 Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead),
2 and all the brethren who are with me, To the churches of Galatia:
3 Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,
5 to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.
As if in answer to one of the questions posted, Paul opens this letter by asserting his credentials as an apostle ordained by HaShem rather than man.
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
Though there are many teachings on what this different gospel was, we can only find the answer in what we have to work with. So rather than build a narrative on just this, lets move on.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
If anyone wishes to please man, they can't be a servant in any form to HaShem. As we should all know, when teaching the truth, toes get steeped on, and feelings get hurt.
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
As much as we all like to read the writings of one teacher or another, Paul on the other hand didn't get his understanding from man. A lesson we should all follow, and test all things in pray and study.
13 For you have heard of my former conduct in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it.
14 And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb and called me through His grace,
16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood,
17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
There are some that think of Paul's 3 years away as his time of learning. Much as Moses spent 40 days on mount Sinai learning the Laws and how they should be applied. Paul may well have spent his time in prayer and meditation, we really don't know all of what he did for that 3 years. We can how be sure that it was not wasted, and that Yeshua was teaching him.
18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days.
19 But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord's brother.
20 (Now concerning the things which I write to you, indeed, before God, I do not lie.)
21 Afterward I went into the regions of Syria and Cilicia.
22 And I was unknown by face to the churches of Judea which were in Christ.
23 But they were hearing only, "He who formerly persecuted us now preaches the faith which he once tried to destroy."
24 And they glorified God in me.
15 days? in that time I am sure that Peter would have wanted to learn what it was Paul was teaching, after all, Peter wouldn't have any idea. It does seem clear that both peter and James had nothing to add, or remove from what Paul was teaching. As we move forward in this book many things will be challenged. Both in our minds and hearts. For being a short book, it brings many things to light, that are just hinted at in other books.
1 Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead),
2 and all the brethren who are with me, To the churches of Galatia:
3 Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,
5 to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.
As if in answer to one of the questions posted, Paul opens this letter by asserting his credentials as an apostle ordained by HaShem rather than man.
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
Though there are many teachings on what this different gospel was, we can only find the answer in what we have to work with. So rather than build a narrative on just this, lets move on.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
If anyone wishes to please man, they can't be a servant in any form to HaShem. As we should all know, when teaching the truth, toes get steeped on, and feelings get hurt.
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
As much as we all like to read the writings of one teacher or another, Paul on the other hand didn't get his understanding from man. A lesson we should all follow, and test all things in pray and study.
13 For you have heard of my former conduct in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it.
14 And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb and called me through His grace,
16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood,
17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
There are some that think of Paul's 3 years away as his time of learning. Much as Moses spent 40 days on mount Sinai learning the Laws and how they should be applied. Paul may well have spent his time in prayer and meditation, we really don't know all of what he did for that 3 years. We can how be sure that it was not wasted, and that Yeshua was teaching him.
18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days.
19 But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord's brother.
20 (Now concerning the things which I write to you, indeed, before God, I do not lie.)
21 Afterward I went into the regions of Syria and Cilicia.
22 And I was unknown by face to the churches of Judea which were in Christ.
23 But they were hearing only, "He who formerly persecuted us now preaches the faith which he once tried to destroy."
24 And they glorified God in me.
15 days? in that time I am sure that Peter would have wanted to learn what it was Paul was teaching, after all, Peter wouldn't have any idea. It does seem clear that both peter and James had nothing to add, or remove from what Paul was teaching. As we move forward in this book many things will be challenged. Both in our minds and hearts. For being a short book, it brings many things to light, that are just hinted at in other books.
Galations 2
1 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and also took Titus with me.
2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain.
3 Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.
It is thought by many that some members of the Sanhedrin, and even the Temple priest may have followed the teaching and faith of Yeshua. Gamaliel is one that many think converted. It what I had been taught, is right, then to openly follow Yeshua would lead to ruin for them.
As we all know the debate of gentile followers needed to be come circumcised was at the time what we call a hot button topic. Today however it seems to have flipped, as many wish teach that to be a follow of Yeshua, a Jew must give up their Jewish identity. As well as turn away from following the Torah. Sadly, there are even some Jews that follow this idea.
4 And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage),
5 to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
I know of 2 teachings on this. The first I simply can't stand by, as it removes so much of what is found in the Word. In it is the idea that to follow Biblical law is wrong. Though one can find a passage here and their that when taken out of context, (at lest in my mind) seem to back this idea, this doesn't seem to what Paul is talking of.
In the second, (a teaching I hold to) we find that rather than Biblical law, it is Rabbinic Law that Paul seen as placing one in bondage. Yeshua even corrects rabbinic teaching, lending to how I see this passage. Don't get me wrong, there are things in the Torah that were removed, even before Yeshua walked this earth.
6 But from those who seemed to be something--whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man--for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me.
7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles),
9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
Some even today place Peter as greater than Paul as Peter is seen as having an advantage by walking, and learning from Yeshua. This idea how ever should be set a side, as we can can, (given more time and space) show that Paul also learned from Yeshua. This however doesn't make Paul's teachings any greater. Paul simply had a different way of teaching, as he was tasked with teaching gentiles that had no understanding of the scripture available to man kind at that time.
10 They desired only that we should remember the poor, the very thing which I also was eager to do.
11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed;
12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.
It would seem that this was before Peter had the dream we find in Acts chapter 10. As it make clear if one reads chapter 11 as well, that Peter was still followed Rabbinic law, that forbid a jew from eating with a gentile. As we know in 10:28 Peter makes it clear that this dream had changed his idea on that. Paul may have seen that by his action, Peter was doing divided believers, it may have also implied that Jews were more acceptable to HaShem than gentiles.
Even though Paul tells us that Peter was wrong in this. The question has been asked, if Peter was doing this to out of concern for the safety of believers in Jerusalem, would it still have been wrong? In my mind that answer is yes.
13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.
14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
There are some that will say this points to Biblical law being removed. Yet that in my mind isn't what Paul is saying here. If it was, then why would Paul also teach on Biblical law in other letters? One must also keep in mind that Paul in Acts 21:24, Acts 24:14, Rom. 2:13, and other attest to Pauls teaching for Biblical law. Even in his actions we find he followed it, Acts 18 points to no less than 2 Biblical laws Paul up held.
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not!
18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Though this does seem to tell us I am wrong in my understanding, I stand by what I have said. Don't get me wrong, I would do all I can to talk anyone out of following Rabbinic Law, or converting to Judaism. As Paul makes clear in all of his writings, the Law, be it Biblical or Rabbinic, can't bring salvation. It never has and never will. Even in the Torah HaShem by His grace called man to walk in faith. As we can see in the Word, from Gen to Rev. It is His grace that gives us Salvation, and makes us all righteous. Yet at the same time, we are told from Gen to Rev, that faith must be followed by obedience. If we say we walk in faith, yet live in sin, we are disobedient, making it clear to everyone that we are saved.
1 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and also took Titus with me.
2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain.
3 Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.
It is thought by many that some members of the Sanhedrin, and even the Temple priest may have followed the teaching and faith of Yeshua. Gamaliel is one that many think converted. It what I had been taught, is right, then to openly follow Yeshua would lead to ruin for them.
As we all know the debate of gentile followers needed to be come circumcised was at the time what we call a hot button topic. Today however it seems to have flipped, as many wish teach that to be a follow of Yeshua, a Jew must give up their Jewish identity. As well as turn away from following the Torah. Sadly, there are even some Jews that follow this idea.
4 And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage),
5 to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.
I know of 2 teachings on this. The first I simply can't stand by, as it removes so much of what is found in the Word. In it is the idea that to follow Biblical law is wrong. Though one can find a passage here and their that when taken out of context, (at lest in my mind) seem to back this idea, this doesn't seem to what Paul is talking of.
In the second, (a teaching I hold to) we find that rather than Biblical law, it is Rabbinic Law that Paul seen as placing one in bondage. Yeshua even corrects rabbinic teaching, lending to how I see this passage. Don't get me wrong, there are things in the Torah that were removed, even before Yeshua walked this earth.
6 But from those who seemed to be something--whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man--for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me.
7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles),
9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
Some even today place Peter as greater than Paul as Peter is seen as having an advantage by walking, and learning from Yeshua. This idea how ever should be set a side, as we can can, (given more time and space) show that Paul also learned from Yeshua. This however doesn't make Paul's teachings any greater. Paul simply had a different way of teaching, as he was tasked with teaching gentiles that had no understanding of the scripture available to man kind at that time.
10 They desired only that we should remember the poor, the very thing which I also was eager to do.
11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed;
12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision.
It would seem that this was before Peter had the dream we find in Acts chapter 10. As it make clear if one reads chapter 11 as well, that Peter was still followed Rabbinic law, that forbid a jew from eating with a gentile. As we know in 10:28 Peter makes it clear that this dream had changed his idea on that. Paul may have seen that by his action, Peter was doing divided believers, it may have also implied that Jews were more acceptable to HaShem than gentiles.
Even though Paul tells us that Peter was wrong in this. The question has been asked, if Peter was doing this to out of concern for the safety of believers in Jerusalem, would it still have been wrong? In my mind that answer is yes.
13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.
14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
There are some that will say this points to Biblical law being removed. Yet that in my mind isn't what Paul is saying here. If it was, then why would Paul also teach on Biblical law in other letters? One must also keep in mind that Paul in Acts 21:24, Acts 24:14, Rom. 2:13, and other attest to Pauls teaching for Biblical law. Even in his actions we find he followed it, Acts 18 points to no less than 2 Biblical laws Paul up held.
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not!
18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Though this does seem to tell us I am wrong in my understanding, I stand by what I have said. Don't get me wrong, I would do all I can to talk anyone out of following Rabbinic Law, or converting to Judaism. As Paul makes clear in all of his writings, the Law, be it Biblical or Rabbinic, can't bring salvation. It never has and never will. Even in the Torah HaShem by His grace called man to walk in faith. As we can see in the Word, from Gen to Rev. It is His grace that gives us Salvation, and makes us all righteous. Yet at the same time, we are told from Gen to Rev, that faith must be followed by obedience. If we say we walk in faith, yet live in sin, we are disobedient, making it clear to everyone that we are saved.
Galatians chapter 3
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have you suffered so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain?
So many things come to mind when I read this. One Paul ask 5 question, yet only wants one answered. At lest he only want that one to be answered out load, the other 4 are food for thought. So let's look at them first. Who has bewitched you. Though it is unlikely that they were there to see Yeshua sacrificed, it was told to them, and it does seem that Paul had informed them as to it's meaning, and what it did for us.
Are so foolish? that is meant to get them to stop and think, nothing more. It only when we can slow down and look at our actions, that we can find fault in our selves, if we keep on going, we don't think about things clearly.
Having begun in the Spirit, seems to be a clear indicator that Paul had seen the Spirit work in them, yet for some reason they turned to a legalistic rather than a Spiritual following of Torah. I say this as it is clear to me that the Torah isn't so much a physical teaching, as it is a spiritual teaching. Think about it, if one only worships HaShem in a physical way, (i.e. going through the motions) their heart isn't in it. Yet to worship Him in the spirit as Paul tells us, puts ones heart into it, and opens their heart and mind to what HaShem's will for us is. Many today can't see that Torah is spiritual, and so they see any that follow it as turning from Yeshua, in hopes that they can gain salvation for them self. Never going to happen. Just as one can't turn from the commandments, live in sin, and say they have a relationship with Yeshua.
As to their suffering, Paul places this question in a way that gives reason to think of their salvation, as well as their wrong doing.
The only thing Paul really wants an answer to is who lead them to turn away from faith. There are some that will say it was orthodox Jewish leaders. Though is some reason to think this, there is also reason to think that it was other gentiles that simply didn't understand Torah, and that was a spiritual teaching. Not having an answer to this, we would do well to simply understand that some one had do a great injustice. To try and place blame shows a true lack of compassion.
5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?--
6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."
9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
It may be that Paul picked Abraham due to his being looked up to. There are some that wish to teach that Abraham keep the oral teachings, even though they had not yet been given. Don't get me wrong, I do teach that Abraham keep the written laws before they were written down. I also show that if that same law had not been in place, then HaShem Him-self would have been wrong in some of his actions. Yet the Torah is clear that it was faith that HaShem counted as righteousness. In fact the Tanakh is full of people that were counted righteous by their faith, and not one has ever been called righteous due to their own legalistic keeping of the Law.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith."
Goes to the above statement.
12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),
Being redeemed from the curse of the law points to the life one finds in faith. It doesn't say he lifted the law from us, only the curse. The curse that comes from us being human, and not being able to live the Torah in every aspect is death. The sin sacrifice that was done in the past, could only cover our sin, Yeshua's blood however washes them away. It is by His grace that our sin's are removed to be seen no more. Still doesn't mean we can live in sin, or that the standard by which sin is measured has change.
As to that old teaching that Jew rejection of Yeshua was the only reason we gentiles were given the Gospel, Paul quotes from Gen. when he tells us that all nations would be blessed by Abraham's seed. If HaShewm had onlt ment for Israel to be saved, He wouldn't have said all nations.
14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man's covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it.
16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.
Though Abraham didn't have the written Torah as we know it today, He did follow many parts of it, At the time the promise was given. Still the giving of Torah, (the written as we understanding it) can't change the oath given by HaShem. Even if it had, (and it didn't) required legalistic obedience with out faith.
18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
I know of at lest one teaching that wishes to tell us that HaShem added the Law to the Abrahamic covenant to create sin. This was never the intent of Torah, it was added to show us our sin, as well give us a written guide to life. It also shows us to conduct our selves in respect to HaShem, and man.
20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
How does one recessional this with the above? Is Paul now saying that the law was given to keep us righteous? There some that teach this, many of whom don't know they are impaling this. I point this as it can be said if one only looks at the above, that at one time the law did bring salvation, yet Paul makes it clear that faith was how Abraham was counted as righteous. As we are told that there is no conflict between the Law, and the promise given by HaShem, then it may be that Paul isn't speaking of the law being a bad thing at all. Or that the Law was ever able to bring about salvation. The law how ever did hold us in protective custody so to speak, in that it allowed for the atonement of sin, until Yeshua came to offer us a full pardon if you will.
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
As we all know many parts of the Law were to point us to Yeshua. They gave a clear pitcher of His work, and how it would come about. Every feast shows us one part of His work, and by holding a true understanding of them, every one around Him would have seen them play out in His life, death, and resurrection. I my self do my best to keep the feast as best I know how. Not out of some hope they will save me, rather I keep them as a reminder of everything that has been done for me. Would I run out and sacrifice a lamb, not on your life. Yet I would also not stand in the way of someone set on doing so. I would try to talk them out of it, yet that is their choice and only the spirit can change a mans heart.
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have you suffered so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain?
So many things come to mind when I read this. One Paul ask 5 question, yet only wants one answered. At lest he only want that one to be answered out load, the other 4 are food for thought. So let's look at them first. Who has bewitched you. Though it is unlikely that they were there to see Yeshua sacrificed, it was told to them, and it does seem that Paul had informed them as to it's meaning, and what it did for us.
Are so foolish? that is meant to get them to stop and think, nothing more. It only when we can slow down and look at our actions, that we can find fault in our selves, if we keep on going, we don't think about things clearly.
Having begun in the Spirit, seems to be a clear indicator that Paul had seen the Spirit work in them, yet for some reason they turned to a legalistic rather than a Spiritual following of Torah. I say this as it is clear to me that the Torah isn't so much a physical teaching, as it is a spiritual teaching. Think about it, if one only worships HaShem in a physical way, (i.e. going through the motions) their heart isn't in it. Yet to worship Him in the spirit as Paul tells us, puts ones heart into it, and opens their heart and mind to what HaShem's will for us is. Many today can't see that Torah is spiritual, and so they see any that follow it as turning from Yeshua, in hopes that they can gain salvation for them self. Never going to happen. Just as one can't turn from the commandments, live in sin, and say they have a relationship with Yeshua.
As to their suffering, Paul places this question in a way that gives reason to think of their salvation, as well as their wrong doing.
The only thing Paul really wants an answer to is who lead them to turn away from faith. There are some that will say it was orthodox Jewish leaders. Though is some reason to think this, there is also reason to think that it was other gentiles that simply didn't understand Torah, and that was a spiritual teaching. Not having an answer to this, we would do well to simply understand that some one had do a great injustice. To try and place blame shows a true lack of compassion.
5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?--
6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."
7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."
9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.
It may be that Paul picked Abraham due to his being looked up to. There are some that wish to teach that Abraham keep the oral teachings, even though they had not yet been given. Don't get me wrong, I do teach that Abraham keep the written laws before they were written down. I also show that if that same law had not been in place, then HaShem Him-self would have been wrong in some of his actions. Yet the Torah is clear that it was faith that HaShem counted as righteousness. In fact the Tanakh is full of people that were counted righteous by their faith, and not one has ever been called righteous due to their own legalistic keeping of the Law.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith."
Goes to the above statement.
12 Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),
Being redeemed from the curse of the law points to the life one finds in faith. It doesn't say he lifted the law from us, only the curse. The curse that comes from us being human, and not being able to live the Torah in every aspect is death. The sin sacrifice that was done in the past, could only cover our sin, Yeshua's blood however washes them away. It is by His grace that our sin's are removed to be seen no more. Still doesn't mean we can live in sin, or that the standard by which sin is measured has change.
As to that old teaching that Jew rejection of Yeshua was the only reason we gentiles were given the Gospel, Paul quotes from Gen. when he tells us that all nations would be blessed by Abraham's seed. If HaShewm had onlt ment for Israel to be saved, He wouldn't have said all nations.
14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak in the manner of men: Though it is only a man's covenant, yet if it is confirmed, no one annuls or adds to it.
16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.
Though Abraham didn't have the written Torah as we know it today, He did follow many parts of it, At the time the promise was given. Still the giving of Torah, (the written as we understanding it) can't change the oath given by HaShem. Even if it had, (and it didn't) required legalistic obedience with out faith.
18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
I know of at lest one teaching that wishes to tell us that HaShem added the Law to the Abrahamic covenant to create sin. This was never the intent of Torah, it was added to show us our sin, as well give us a written guide to life. It also shows us to conduct our selves in respect to HaShem, and man.
20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
How does one recessional this with the above? Is Paul now saying that the law was given to keep us righteous? There some that teach this, many of whom don't know they are impaling this. I point this as it can be said if one only looks at the above, that at one time the law did bring salvation, yet Paul makes it clear that faith was how Abraham was counted as righteous. As we are told that there is no conflict between the Law, and the promise given by HaShem, then it may be that Paul isn't speaking of the law being a bad thing at all. Or that the Law was ever able to bring about salvation. The law how ever did hold us in protective custody so to speak, in that it allowed for the atonement of sin, until Yeshua came to offer us a full pardon if you will.
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
As we all know many parts of the Law were to point us to Yeshua. They gave a clear pitcher of His work, and how it would come about. Every feast shows us one part of His work, and by holding a true understanding of them, every one around Him would have seen them play out in His life, death, and resurrection. I my self do my best to keep the feast as best I know how. Not out of some hope they will save me, rather I keep them as a reminder of everything that has been done for me. Would I run out and sacrifice a lamb, not on your life. Yet I would also not stand in the way of someone set on doing so. I would try to talk them out of it, yet that is their choice and only the spirit can change a mans heart.
Galatians chapter 4
1 Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all,
2 but is under guardians and stewards until the time appointed by the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world.
Though some teach this to mean that we slaves to the law, it seems less likely than to conclude that before turning to Yeshua we were in bondage to sin, Satan and his minions. As we know, or should anyway, without Yeshua we have no true defense, and are not heirs to the Kingdom. Just as Yeshua had to wait until HaShem handed Him the keys, we to have to wait until Yeshua judges us worthy.
4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"
7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
One teaching on this tells us that as Yeshua lived the Law perfectly, we have no need to live it out in our lives. Yet many that teach this, will also turn around and teach that the following is sin. Sexual immorality, theft, murder, along with many other sin we as humans could both willing and unknowingly commit. We can't have it both way folks, to teach one part of this, then say that another is wrong, is both misleading, and a lie. On the other hand, to try and live our lives under the idea that following the law can lead to salvation is an even bigger lie.
The idea that Yeshua was born under the law, is seen many ways. I wish only to point out one. A teaching that came from a teacher in seminary class. Yeshua was born in a time when Biblical law had been perverted, and misused. No longer were the spiritual aspects of it being tough, rather it had become a ritualistic legalistic system. So full pit falls, and weighty demands, that one would be hard pressed to see any form of spiritual teachings in it.
8 But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods.
9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?
10 You observe days and months and seasons and years.
11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.
The times noted in verse 10 may be seen as the feast in many ways. Rather than to list them all, we will simply look at 2 things, as always. Some teach that gentiles had turned to following the legalistic system noted above. In other words, they had turned to Judaism in it's strictest form in hopes of gaining salvation. Or at lest being found more acceptable to HaShem. Yet this brings to mind the question, can one keep the feast as a reminder of things past, and things hoped for, with out losing faith in Yeshua? That answer is YES. You see, if they can show us all that HaShem has done.
12 Brethren, I urge you to become like me, for I became like you. You have not injured me at all.
13 You know that because of physical infirmity I preached the gospel to you at the first.
14 And my trial which was in my flesh you did not despise or reject, but you received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
15 What then was the blessing you enjoyed? For I bear you witness that, if possible, you would have plucked out your own eyes and given them to me.
16 Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?
17 They zealously court you, but for no good; yes, they want to exclude you, that you may be zealous for them.
In both the Jewish and gentile thinking of that time, any form of illness, or disability was seen as a judgment from HaShem. Yet Paul wasn't rejected due to this misplaced thinking. there is one teaching out there, that tells us Paul changes who he is and how he acts to fit the people around him. Going to the point of making the claim that Paul can't be trusted due to his misleading actions. However that teach is countered by one that is a bit more understandable. Paul tells us that he became like them, in that he had turned away from a system that rejected Yeshua in both teaching and action. Just as the people of Galatia had turned away from a system that did the same. Yet they were now turning to the system Paul had left behind. It is true they were being lead to that system by some that followed it. It was to lead them to truth, rather to get them to follow, and give their alignments to a legalistic system.
18 But it is good to be zealous in a good thing always, and not only when I am present with you.
19 My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you,
20 I would like to be present with you now and to change my tone; for I have doubts about you.
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise,
As with a lot Paul's writings, he doesn't spell it out, as he knows full well that the reads have an understanding of what he is talking of. Ishmael was born to a slave women, a birth that was contrived by man kind. Isaac was born to a free women, a birth that foreseen, and promised by HaShem.
24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar--
25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children--
It may be that Paul uses Hagar as to point out that any who follow the legalistic system of Torah, and not the spiritual system of faith as Abraham, and any number of faithful we find in the Tanakh.
26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Here we find Paul speaking to the faithfulness of Abraham, and us that follow that same form of faith.
27 For it is written: "Rejoice, O barren, You who do not bear! Break forth and shout, You who are not in labor! For the desolate has many more children Than she who has a husband."
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."
Although the Law as given at Sinai had been perverted, and in-salved people by it's rabbinic recreation. It was never intended to used in that manner. Yet even today we find many people that follow a system that in many ways can be seen in that same light. Just as Paul points out, the legalistic systems do all they can to persecute, and in-slave any that follow in trusting faithfulness. I am unwilling to point to any one system, religion, or government, as I am in hopes that you will know them when you see them.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
1 Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all,
2 but is under guardians and stewards until the time appointed by the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world.
Though some teach this to mean that we slaves to the law, it seems less likely than to conclude that before turning to Yeshua we were in bondage to sin, Satan and his minions. As we know, or should anyway, without Yeshua we have no true defense, and are not heirs to the Kingdom. Just as Yeshua had to wait until HaShem handed Him the keys, we to have to wait until Yeshua judges us worthy.
4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"
7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
One teaching on this tells us that as Yeshua lived the Law perfectly, we have no need to live it out in our lives. Yet many that teach this, will also turn around and teach that the following is sin. Sexual immorality, theft, murder, along with many other sin we as humans could both willing and unknowingly commit. We can't have it both way folks, to teach one part of this, then say that another is wrong, is both misleading, and a lie. On the other hand, to try and live our lives under the idea that following the law can lead to salvation is an even bigger lie.
The idea that Yeshua was born under the law, is seen many ways. I wish only to point out one. A teaching that came from a teacher in seminary class. Yeshua was born in a time when Biblical law had been perverted, and misused. No longer were the spiritual aspects of it being tough, rather it had become a ritualistic legalistic system. So full pit falls, and weighty demands, that one would be hard pressed to see any form of spiritual teachings in it.
8 But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods.
9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?
10 You observe days and months and seasons and years.
11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.
The times noted in verse 10 may be seen as the feast in many ways. Rather than to list them all, we will simply look at 2 things, as always. Some teach that gentiles had turned to following the legalistic system noted above. In other words, they had turned to Judaism in it's strictest form in hopes of gaining salvation. Or at lest being found more acceptable to HaShem. Yet this brings to mind the question, can one keep the feast as a reminder of things past, and things hoped for, with out losing faith in Yeshua? That answer is YES. You see, if they can show us all that HaShem has done.
12 Brethren, I urge you to become like me, for I became like you. You have not injured me at all.
13 You know that because of physical infirmity I preached the gospel to you at the first.
14 And my trial which was in my flesh you did not despise or reject, but you received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
15 What then was the blessing you enjoyed? For I bear you witness that, if possible, you would have plucked out your own eyes and given them to me.
16 Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?
17 They zealously court you, but for no good; yes, they want to exclude you, that you may be zealous for them.
In both the Jewish and gentile thinking of that time, any form of illness, or disability was seen as a judgment from HaShem. Yet Paul wasn't rejected due to this misplaced thinking. there is one teaching out there, that tells us Paul changes who he is and how he acts to fit the people around him. Going to the point of making the claim that Paul can't be trusted due to his misleading actions. However that teach is countered by one that is a bit more understandable. Paul tells us that he became like them, in that he had turned away from a system that rejected Yeshua in both teaching and action. Just as the people of Galatia had turned away from a system that did the same. Yet they were now turning to the system Paul had left behind. It is true they were being lead to that system by some that followed it. It was to lead them to truth, rather to get them to follow, and give their alignments to a legalistic system.
18 But it is good to be zealous in a good thing always, and not only when I am present with you.
19 My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you,
20 I would like to be present with you now and to change my tone; for I have doubts about you.
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise,
As with a lot Paul's writings, he doesn't spell it out, as he knows full well that the reads have an understanding of what he is talking of. Ishmael was born to a slave women, a birth that was contrived by man kind. Isaac was born to a free women, a birth that foreseen, and promised by HaShem.
24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar--
25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children--
It may be that Paul uses Hagar as to point out that any who follow the legalistic system of Torah, and not the spiritual system of faith as Abraham, and any number of faithful we find in the Tanakh.
26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Here we find Paul speaking to the faithfulness of Abraham, and us that follow that same form of faith.
27 For it is written: "Rejoice, O barren, You who do not bear! Break forth and shout, You who are not in labor! For the desolate has many more children Than she who has a husband."
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."
Although the Law as given at Sinai had been perverted, and in-salved people by it's rabbinic recreation. It was never intended to used in that manner. Yet even today we find many people that follow a system that in many ways can be seen in that same light. Just as Paul points out, the legalistic systems do all they can to persecute, and in-slave any that follow in trusting faithfulness. I am unwilling to point to any one system, religion, or government, as I am in hopes that you will know them when you see them.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world.
Though some teach this to mean that we slaves to the law, it seems less likely than to conclude that before turning to Yeshua we were in bondage to sin, Satan and his minions. As we know, or should anyway, without Yeshua we have no true defense, and are not heirs to the Kingdom. Just as Yeshua had to wait until HaShem handed Him the keys, we to have to wait until Yeshua judges us worthy.
It seems to me that Paul is addressing believers. As such when we were children must refer to the time before we learned sound doctrine. Perhaps Paul is suggesting we were slaves to ignorance of the intent and purpose of the Law. Verses 4-7 suggest that the realization that our relationship with God no longer depends on our own efforts is what frees us from bondage.
In verse 11 the fault Paul is citing was that the Galatians were returning to trying to please God by their own efforts instead of depending on Jesus.
That is something I missed thank you. Still the question one may now ask, What is the true intent and purpose of the Law. That answer holds many things that must be answered as well. Though it is true that much of the Torah was to point us to Yeshua, there still remains the aspects of Torah that are carried through the NT, and the reason for there being found there. A topic I my self am unwilling to under take in this thread. Though at some latter date, would we do well to under take a study like that? Or should it be left alone, in hopes of everyone finding their own idea of truth?
Don't misunderstand me, I am fully capable of undertaking a study like that, as one can see from the study on Torah. Though that is not yet seen it's end, I am sure that when it is done, most of the question that may arise from your understanding will find there answers in that thread. Once more, I don't wish any to think I disagree with your assessment, as the chapter does lend it's self to that teaching.
For any that have not seen what I mean when I say something lends it's self to a teaching. It is just my way of saying that there can be more than one TRUE teaching from any chapter.
Don't misunderstand me, I am fully capable of undertaking a study like that, as one can see from the study on Torah. Though that is not yet seen it's end, I am sure that when it is done, most of the question that may arise from your understanding will find there answers in that thread. Once more, I don't wish any to think I disagree with your assessment, as the chapter does lend it's self to that teaching.
For any that have not seen what I mean when I say something lends it's self to a teaching. It is just my way of saying that there can be more than one TRUE teaching from any chapter.
Galatians Chapter 5
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage
Once learned, can we forget a thing and once more become ignorant of it's truth? Yes we can. How many things have we learned in school, and today can't remember how to do some forms of math? Yet in calls some of you may well have been in the top 5 or so.
Yet at the same time, can we not also turn back to following a system that hopes we can do enough, and be good enough on our own to earn salvation for our-selves? Said yes we can also fall into that trap as well.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
There 2 forms of teaching on this short passage. Both do hold some truth, and sadly both can be miss understood in there own right. It has lead to many a battle of wills.
In one, we find that to keep the law removes us from grace. As this understand seems clear cut, until one notes that this passage does seem to deal just one aspect of Torah.
This leads to the other teaching. One that is also seen as clear cut. Circumcision in Torah was to be a sign of the Covenant with Abraham. It marked one as a Hebrew, and that is for the most part it's intent. Yet as is seen here, That Paul seen it as a bad thing. We must note that He isn't talking to the Jewish people here, and so we must understand it in this format. A gentile that turns to Rabbinic law for salvation is lost, just as anyone that follows Torah for salvation is lost, they simply don't see it. It was the this that Paul was addressing, and not the following the commandments given to us in both OT and NT. As will be seen in the rest of this chapter.
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
When one understands the above commentary, they can see that in Yeshua, we are not Jew or gentile. We are all one, and it is faith, followed by obedience that shows we are true followers. After all, as I said before, if we say we believe, yet walk sin, do we show by our actions that our heart is for Yeshua?
7 You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
8 This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you.
9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
The word leaven can be seen to show sin, wrong thinking, as well as ungodly people.
10 I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.
11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased.
12 I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!
If Paul was to teach that adherence to Rabbinic law would bring salvation, then none of the Jewish followers of this wouldn't try to undermined his teachings. Just as if Paul had said, turn to Yeshua, then you can walk in sin with no harm done. i.e. there is no law for you to follow, so go right on and kill anyone you wish, immoral sex has became a good thing, so go party, and what ever fells good that shale you do. Then he wouldn't have had any of the pagans getting upset.
13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Though Yeshua used the same words, it doesn't remove the fact that if we act out of love, then we will not violate any of the law that is found in the NT. That is if we Love HaShem, and our fellow man.
15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
We must keep in mind that Paul is not speaking of true believers that come up short, and find that they had sinned. Yeshua washed us clean, and is faithful to forgive us when we do fall our face. Paul is hoping to point out that we can't keep living in this manner, or turn back to living in this manner, and still hope that we will enter the Kingdom.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage
Once learned, can we forget a thing and once more become ignorant of it's truth? Yes we can. How many things have we learned in school, and today can't remember how to do some forms of math? Yet in calls some of you may well have been in the top 5 or so.
Yet at the same time, can we not also turn back to following a system that hopes we can do enough, and be good enough on our own to earn salvation for our-selves? Said yes we can also fall into that trap as well.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
There 2 forms of teaching on this short passage. Both do hold some truth, and sadly both can be miss understood in there own right. It has lead to many a battle of wills.
In one, we find that to keep the law removes us from grace. As this understand seems clear cut, until one notes that this passage does seem to deal just one aspect of Torah.
This leads to the other teaching. One that is also seen as clear cut. Circumcision in Torah was to be a sign of the Covenant with Abraham. It marked one as a Hebrew, and that is for the most part it's intent. Yet as is seen here, That Paul seen it as a bad thing. We must note that He isn't talking to the Jewish people here, and so we must understand it in this format. A gentile that turns to Rabbinic law for salvation is lost, just as anyone that follows Torah for salvation is lost, they simply don't see it. It was the this that Paul was addressing, and not the following the commandments given to us in both OT and NT. As will be seen in the rest of this chapter.
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
When one understands the above commentary, they can see that in Yeshua, we are not Jew or gentile. We are all one, and it is faith, followed by obedience that shows we are true followers. After all, as I said before, if we say we believe, yet walk sin, do we show by our actions that our heart is for Yeshua?
7 You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
8 This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you.
9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump.
The word leaven can be seen to show sin, wrong thinking, as well as ungodly people.
10 I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.
11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased.
12 I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!
If Paul was to teach that adherence to Rabbinic law would bring salvation, then none of the Jewish followers of this wouldn't try to undermined his teachings. Just as if Paul had said, turn to Yeshua, then you can walk in sin with no harm done. i.e. there is no law for you to follow, so go right on and kill anyone you wish, immoral sex has became a good thing, so go party, and what ever fells good that shale you do. Then he wouldn't have had any of the pagans getting upset.
13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Though Yeshua used the same words, it doesn't remove the fact that if we act out of love, then we will not violate any of the law that is found in the NT. That is if we Love HaShem, and our fellow man.
15 But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
We must keep in mind that Paul is not speaking of true believers that come up short, and find that they had sinned. Yeshua washed us clean, and is faithful to forgive us when we do fall our face. Paul is hoping to point out that we can't keep living in this manner, or turn back to living in this manner, and still hope that we will enter the Kingdom.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
Galatians chapter 6
1 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
One teacher has this this to say, "Though it has been made clear that some see this as a new form of law, one of love, that has abolished the Torah. This is a sad way to look it it. After all, Yeshua upheld the Torah in His life and teachings. Sadly it also shows a lack of understanding that the Torah teaches Love and not hate." One the flip side, we have one teaching that points to the Torah as being a set of laws full of hate, and punishment. Holding no love for man kind. Being in complete comfit with the Laws of Yeshua. My question is, can the NT be in complete conflict with the OT and still show HaShem as being full of Love?
3 For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
4 But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
5 For each one shall bear his own load.
Though it may seem that this in conflict with the above passage, we must understand that we are to help others in finding the right path, and to help them stay the cores. Yet at the same time, we are held accountable for our own actions. We a lone bear our guilt.
6 Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches.
7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
The Law of the harvest is more than just a simple sow it, and you will harvest that seed. Wheat for wheat, and so on. If a singal seed is planted, from it we harvest as much as 60 seeds of the same kind. So if a person lives in sin, more sin will come upon them. If a person lives by the Spirit, and teaches other the same, that person will be reworded much greater than they can hope.
9 And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.
10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.
11 See with what large letters I have written to you with my own hand!
12 As many as desire to make a good showing in the flesh, these would compel you to be circumcised, only that they may not suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
13 For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.
As we all know, we all sin. A good friend and wise teacher told me, "Even the most righteous of us sin 3 times a day." Though at times think this was said to simply make a point, It has also shown it's self to be true. Yet of this passage, this same teacher had this to say. "It is not that we sin, it is how we deal with it once we are aware of it. We can't turn to atcions of our own hands and hold it as salvation. Yeshua gave His life freely, that our sins may be washed away, removed for al time from the book, placing our names in the book of life. Though this in no way means we can now turn from Him, and think to do our own work of salvation with any luck at all. Just as if we hold to the saving blood of Yeshua, yet don't follow the law, it is means nothing." Don't get him wrong, he would never say the law can save anyone, nor would I. What we do agree on is a simple fact, one found in the Word, more than once. That being, John 15:10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
17 From now on let no one trouble me, for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.
18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
1 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
One teacher has this this to say, "Though it has been made clear that some see this as a new form of law, one of love, that has abolished the Torah. This is a sad way to look it it. After all, Yeshua upheld the Torah in His life and teachings. Sadly it also shows a lack of understanding that the Torah teaches Love and not hate." One the flip side, we have one teaching that points to the Torah as being a set of laws full of hate, and punishment. Holding no love for man kind. Being in complete comfit with the Laws of Yeshua. My question is, can the NT be in complete conflict with the OT and still show HaShem as being full of Love?
3 For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.
4 But let each one examine his own work, and then he will have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
5 For each one shall bear his own load.
Though it may seem that this in conflict with the above passage, we must understand that we are to help others in finding the right path, and to help them stay the cores. Yet at the same time, we are held accountable for our own actions. We a lone bear our guilt.
6 Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches.
7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
The Law of the harvest is more than just a simple sow it, and you will harvest that seed. Wheat for wheat, and so on. If a singal seed is planted, from it we harvest as much as 60 seeds of the same kind. So if a person lives in sin, more sin will come upon them. If a person lives by the Spirit, and teaches other the same, that person will be reworded much greater than they can hope.
9 And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.
10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.
11 See with what large letters I have written to you with my own hand!
12 As many as desire to make a good showing in the flesh, these would compel you to be circumcised, only that they may not suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
13 For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.
As we all know, we all sin. A good friend and wise teacher told me, "Even the most righteous of us sin 3 times a day." Though at times think this was said to simply make a point, It has also shown it's self to be true. Yet of this passage, this same teacher had this to say. "It is not that we sin, it is how we deal with it once we are aware of it. We can't turn to atcions of our own hands and hold it as salvation. Yeshua gave His life freely, that our sins may be washed away, removed for al time from the book, placing our names in the book of life. Though this in no way means we can now turn from Him, and think to do our own work of salvation with any luck at all. Just as if we hold to the saving blood of Yeshua, yet don't follow the law, it is means nothing." Don't get him wrong, he would never say the law can save anyone, nor would I. What we do agree on is a simple fact, one found in the Word, more than once. That being, John 15:10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
17 From now on let no one trouble me, for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.
18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
In order to answer the Paul's opinion question in 1 Cor 7:25 You have to start at the beginning of the chapter
1 Cor 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
(NOTE: Paul is responding to questions believers in Corinth had asked him)
Now onto verse 25
I Cor 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
(NOTE: Paul give is judgment/opinion. Paul explains: this topic is a point to which the Lord had not directly alluded in His teaching. So, Paul gives scripture """GOD BREATHED OPINION""" as one who has obtained mercy to be a faithful instructor.
More help on the authority the RISEN Christ gave to Paul whom he choose:
1 Corinthians 7:12 Paul quoting the words of Christ verses Paul himself instructing as a Holy Spirit inspired Apostle.
Acts 26
14 I heard a voice speaking unto me, saying, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
15 I said, Who art thou, Lord? he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest
16 Jesus says; rise for I have appeared unto thee (Paul) to make thee a "minister" & "witness" both of these things which thou hast seen, & of those things in the which I will show you
"17" Delivering thee from the Jews, & from the ""Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee"" (also see 1 Tim 2:7)
(NOTE: Paul, is sent to the GENTILES by the RISEN Christ himself)
Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
(NOTE: Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Paul write's: ""I"" am the apostle of the Gentiles)
1 Timothy 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not
a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
(NOTE: Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Paul write's: I am ORDAINED: A preacher, teacher & designated apostle <(Singular) < for the Gentiles)
Find here Pauls Apostleship confirmed by James, Peter, John and the elders.
Just like Jesus confirmed Pauls Apostleship in Acts 26:14-17, Luke comfirms this again in Acts 19:11–12
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
(NOTE: Peter calls Paul his beloved brother. And confirms Pauls writings as wisdom)
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
(NOTE: Peter comfirms Pauls writings as scripture)
And finally:
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is "God-breathed" and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness
1 Cor 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
(NOTE: Paul is responding to questions believers in Corinth had asked him)
Now onto verse 25
I Cor 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
(NOTE: Paul give is judgment/opinion. Paul explains: this topic is a point to which the Lord had not directly alluded in His teaching. So, Paul gives scripture """GOD BREATHED OPINION""" as one who has obtained mercy to be a faithful instructor.
More help on the authority the RISEN Christ gave to Paul whom he choose:
1 Corinthians 7:12 Paul quoting the words of Christ verses Paul himself instructing as a Holy Spirit inspired Apostle.
Acts 26
14 I heard a voice speaking unto me, saying, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
15 I said, Who art thou, Lord? he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest
16 Jesus says; rise for I have appeared unto thee (Paul) to make thee a "minister" & "witness" both of these things which thou hast seen, & of those things in the which I will show you
"17" Delivering thee from the Jews, & from the ""Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee"" (also see 1 Tim 2:7)
(NOTE: Paul, is sent to the GENTILES by the RISEN Christ himself)
Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
(NOTE: Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Paul write's: ""I"" am the apostle of the Gentiles)
1 Timothy 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not
a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.(NOTE: Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Paul write's: I am ORDAINED: A preacher, teacher & designated apostle <(Singular) < for the Gentiles)
Find here Pauls Apostleship confirmed by James, Peter, John and the elders.
Just like Jesus confirmed Pauls Apostleship in Acts 26:14-17, Luke comfirms this again in Acts 19:11–12
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
(NOTE: Peter calls Paul his beloved brother. And confirms Pauls writings as wisdom)
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
(NOTE: Peter comfirms Pauls writings as scripture)
And finally:
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is "God-breathed" and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness