GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[mailmandan]

Saturday worship is a Jewish custom based on the error that God rested on the Sabbath, which simply means he rested from the creative act. The truth is God neither slumbers or sleeps.

Have you not known? Have you not heard? The everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, neither faints nor is weary there is no searching of His understanding (Isaiah 40:28).

My Father has been working until now, and I have been working (John 5:17).

The early Christians who had been brought up in the Jewish faith moved to Sunday worship of the Lord, whose return will be on a Sunday also. I see, and this is a personal view born of long experience, that those Jews who hold to the same customs as the scribes and Pharisees, that are a result of a misunderstanding of scripture, are no different from those Jews who Jesus described as "whited sepulchres."

NOWHERE does the NT teach that keeping the Sabbath day is binding on Christians under the New Covenant. SDA's can quote a multitude of scriptures and twist those scriptures to say whatever they want to make them say, but to no avail. They are not fooling us.

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when SDA's set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place (no traveling) on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

 

[lightbearer]

Why

Speaking as someone who believes Jesus is the Word in the flesh, I feel it is an insult to God to worship him while his body lies dead in the tomb.

So you believe Jesus is still in the tomb? Because LovesGodForever doesn't.
I hope you did not fall for that trolling nonsense. Because I can assure you He believes and is experiencing Jesus' resurrection. It is that in which we stand.

 

[mailmandan]

You are on ignore.

It doesn't take long to get fed up with his longwinded nonsense, full of psycho babble and rhetoric and come to realize that you are just wasting your time beating a dead horse! He likes to use the "word of website" argument in shady lawyer fashion to rebuke those who share links to websites that refute the false teachings of the SDA church, yet ironically, he has a link to a website (The BeastsMark is coming) at the bottom of all of his posts. Here is a sample of some of the ludicrous teachings from his word of website below.

The Roman Catholic Church and the fallen Protestant Churches will demand that the government enforce religious laws to bring the people back to God. First of all a law will be enacted making Sunday a day of rest for all its citizens. This will be a further rejection of God’s law and of His 7th day Sabbath in the fourth commandment.

As world conditions continue to deteriorate, economic sanctions will be legislated against those who refuse to comply with this new Sunday law, and they will be unable to buy or sell. Finally a death decree will be issued against them, and the United States will “cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.” (Rev 13:15-18)
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Mark in the Forehead = Believe and obey (Deut 6:5-8, 11:18, Jer 3:3, Ex 13:9, 16 and Ezekiel 9:4)
Mark in the Hand = Human Action (Deut 6:5-8, 24:19, 30:9, 31:29, 1Kings 16:7, Job 1:10, Psalms 9:16 and Isaiah 1:15)

The beast causes his followers to receive a “mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell” without the “mark,” or the “name,” or the “number of the name of the first beast. The mark of the beast will be the observance of a religious law, enforced by the United States and other governments around the world, endorsing the authority of the Roman Catholic Church. Those who receive the mark in their foreheads believe that the Sunday law is necessary to regain God’s favor, while those marked in the hand obey only out of fear of death (Rev 13:15-18).

THE MARK OF THE BEAST COMES FROM LEGISLATED LAWS OF ENFORCED SUNDAY WORSHIP AND BREAKING ANY OF GOD"S COMMANDMENTS

RECEIVING THE MARK IN THE FOREHEAD = TO BELIEVE IN SUNDAY WORSHIP AND TO OBEY IT
RECEIVING THE MARK IN THE HAND = TO OBEY (You don't need to believe in Sunday Worship)

God’s seal is His name, character and law written in His people’s hearts and minds. These characteristics are seen in His 7th day Sabbath commandment, which identifies Him as our Creator (Ex 20: 10). God's true followers are identified as those who resist the mark of the beast and keep God's 7th Day Sabbath Holy. They are identified as “keeping the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus” (Rev 14:12)

Brother Anderson was a member of the SDA Church for 33 years. He was taught the SDA Church was the "remnant church" and was the one church entrusted with the "truth" for the last days. To his utter astonishment and amazement, when he began studying the Bible instead of Ellen White's books, he made the shocking discovery that SDA truth is different from Biblical truth. He found that some SDA teachings are not based upon Scripture at all but upon tradition, conjecture of the early pioneers, and statements made by the prophetess Ellen White.

Bible Truth vs Adventist Truth

The Mark of the Beast - Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast

 

[gb9]

not to mention, he refuses to plainly state that he believes in the Resurrection. which makes me doubt he is a believer. ( in Jesus).

 

[Marcelo]

I know some nice people -- including a great friend of mine -- who go to the SDA Church and have a good reputation as Christians, but ... just watch this video (2 minutes and 6 seconds will be enough):

[video=youtube;umBu2OvAZnk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umBu2OvAZnk[/video]

 

[lightbearer]

This thread is not about the SDA church. Maybe you ought to open a separate thread.

 

[gb9]

will be waiting on lovegodforver to denounce ellen white as a liar. ( and maybe address the Resurrection? ).

 

[gb9]

This thread is not about the SDA church. Maybe you ought to open a separate thread.

you guys really get triggered when the fake ellen white is exposed, don't you?

and since this thread is by a staunch sda/ ellen white supporter, it is totally appropriate to comment on it/her.

try as you might, you cannot separate sda from it's inventor.

 

[lightbearer]

you guys really get triggered when the fake ellen white is exposed, don't you?

and since this thread is by a staunch sda/ ellen white supporter, it is totally appropriate to comment on it/her.

try as you might, you cannot separate sda from it's inventor.

Troll much....

 

[gb9]

Troll much....

I truth a lot. it is not trolling to point out facts. some of ya'll need to reject the worldly " post truth, my opinion is all that matters ) attitude, it is not Christian.

sorry if you do not like truth, but that does not nullify it.

 

[lightbearer]

I truth a lot.

No. You post attacks and red herrings without actually addressing the text to which you are responding to.

Sadly What is worse people take the time to like your posts.
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Shame really....

BTW I am done with this. So get the last word....

 

[PS]

WhySo you believe Jesus is still in the tomb? Because LovesGodForever doesn't.
I hope you did not fall for that trolling nonsense. Because I can assure you He believes and is experiencing Jesus' resurrection. It is that in which we stand.

I most certainly do not believe Jesus is in the tomb.

Sunday 2017 years ago was the resurrection which is cause for celebration. Saturday 2017 years ago there was a dead corpse in the tomb. So why people hold to a Saturday Sabbath in this dispensation, I have no idea.

 

[preacher4truth]

I truth a lot. it is not trolling to point out facts. some of ya'll need to reject the worldly " post truth, my opinion is all that matters ) attitude, it is not Christian.

sorry if you do not like truth, but that does not nullify it.

BINGO!!!!!!!!

 

[lightbearer]

I most certainly do not believe Jesus is in the tomb.

Praise GOD! So does LoveGodForever.

 

[preacher4truth]

Troll much....

He's not trolling. Ellen G. White is a false prophet. Whenever you are proven wrong, challenged, dismantled you go to the callow "trolling, name calling, personal attack!!!" false accusation. It's ad nauseam really. And ad hominem.

 

[tourist]

I most certainly do not believe Jesus is in the tomb.

Sunday 2017 years ago was the resurrection which is cause for celebration. Saturday 2017 years ago there was a dead corpse in the tomb. So why people hold to a Saturday Sabbath in this dispensation, I have no idea.

Perhaps they attempt to keep holy the Sabbath because God said in the Ten Commandments to remember to keep holy this day and they are choose to do so and allow themselves to be guided by the Holy Spirit.

 

[PS]

Praise GOD! So does LoveGodForever.

Yes, but there the similarity ends. As I see it the law ended with the resurrection, and those Jews in synagogue 2017 years ago were worshipping a dead god (in the flesh) who they killed. How sick is that! They have continued that way ever since and always will until they come to believe, if ever they do, in the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[lightbearer]

He's not trolling. Ellen G. White is a false prophet. Whenever you are proven wrong, challenged, dismantled you go to the callow "trolling, name calling, personal attack!!!" false accusation. It's ad nauseam really. And ad hominem.

That is what you are doing. That is all you do. What is sad is, that you have been told this by many witnesses yet continue to do so. I think you thrive on contention.

Post in relation to the topic of the thread or move on with this. It matters not to me; but please know I will not be continuing this topic anymore. I said what needed to be said. So get the last word in.

 

[lightbearer]

Nobody is defending Ellen White or the SDA church here

you guys really get triggered when the fake ellen white is exposed, don't you?

and since this thread is by a staunch sda/ ellen white supporter, it is totally appropriate to comment on it/her.

try as you might, you cannot separate sda from it's inventor.

This post here by Hizikyah was liked by LoveGodForever. He is not here in this thread to defend SDA doctrine or he would have said something contrary to this and not of liked it. No one here is defending the SDA church to my knowledge. So the whole Ellen White thing is nothing more than a red herring because that is not what this thread is about. So let's drop it and post to the posts that are in relation to the op or to what has been stated in the thread.​

Ellen White and the SDA do have some false teachings

, and are not the creators of the Sabbath.

With that said the Creator does not esteem every day the same.

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”​

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[PS]

That is what you are doing. That is all you do. What is sad is, that you have been told this by many witnesses yet continue to do so. I think you thrive on contention.

Post in relation to the topic of the thread or move on with this. It matters not to me; but please know I will not be continuing this topic anymore. I said what needed to be said. So get the last word in.

Don't take this the wrong way lightbearer, but would you be of a similar persuasion to LGF?