Unconditional Love?

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Eromonnis

Eromonnis

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Eromonnis said:
..To be unconditionally loving, one is unconditionally truthful, even to the point of judgement, rejection, segregation, abandonment and death ...
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So go ahead and be conditional and through all your judgments, rejections, etc at me.
 
Eromonnis

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Pssst, you were talking "unconditional love," not "unconditional truth." Truth an love mean two different things. That's why they aren't the same word. Given you don't even know that, I do not accept your expertise. Nor should I.
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I said unconditional love is the EXPRESSION of Truth. If you don't believe that, tell God all about it.
 
Dino246

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Eromonnis said:
Truth is unconditional, it does not need anything (conditions) to make it true, for it is already true. Truth IS.

Truth is: pure, honest, patient, reliable, genuine, authentic, doubtless, fearless, everlasting, unconditional and I am sure there is more descriptives.

But guess what, Unconditional love is: pure, honest, patient, reliable, genuine, authentic, doubtless, fearless, everlasting, and I am sure there is more descriptives.

So, Truth expressed is Unconditional Love.

To be unconditionally loving, one is unconditionally truthful, even to the point of judgement, rejection, segregation, abandonment and death ... just what Jesus Christ went through. But most are unwilling to give up everything (unreal) for Everything (Real).
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You are essentially saying truth = love. This is an invalid equivocation. "2 + 2 = 4" is truth, but what is the relationship between love and an arithmetical equation?

Further, your assertions are not biblical. Neither "unconditional truth" nor "unconditional love" are defined as such in Scripture, and they certainly aren't presented therein with the definitions you provide. Only in a general summary statement can we assert such thorough definitions, and at that point, they lose the grounding of Scripture, making them good for discussion and poor for doctrine.

It really is best to stick with Scripture for making doctrine.
 
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Eromonnis said:
I said unconditional love is the EXPRESSION of Truth. If you don't believe that, tell God all about it.
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Why tell God about it? God won't believe it either.
 
Magenta

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Eromonnis said:
I am sorry you missed the point.
Only the unreal would perceive changing to reality as conditional. In other words, the conditional part is unreal.
If you see the truth then there is no conditions attached, for the truth becomes obvious. It cannot be bargained with.
What you are saying still comes from a certain amount of doubt, and viewing the obvious from a point of still believing. Because of this one sees conditions.

The Truth will not acknowledge anything that is not true. The Truth sees no conditions, for the Truth is unconditional.

Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' 23. Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

As you can see, it is those who place conditions on things that come from an untruthful nature. Jesus realized that we humans were stuck in self-delusion and could not reference life from the real, but from the unreal. His sacrifice on the cross, and resurrection, was his final 'in-your-face' demonstration of overcoming the bondage of self and flesh. He also sent down to those who would believe in His teachings the Holy Spirit of Truth to help break away from slavery to the conditional world.

We do not believe because of a condition was placed on us. We believe because God's grace has touched those that wanted to be real and true. Those that live in fear and not willing to utilize faith to face them, have chosen from their own free-will. It is their lack of faith which perceives conditions. The faithful have surrendered all their own conditions.

God's grace moves into the unconditional heart. It is not God's condition, but our own that makes it appear conditional.
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I'm sorry, but you have missed the point.

Please answer yes or no to the following:

Did Christ die for us while we were yet sinners?

Does God first love us?

Did God so love the world that He gave His Son?

Is it true that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life?​

Do those whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life pass into the second death?

If it is too difficult to just answer yes or no to the previous questions, just let me know :) You needn't go off on any other explanations or whatever it is you think you are doing in trying to justify your position.
 
Solemateleft

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Dogs provide the most exemplar example of unconditional love for us mere humans. My 10 month old pup doesn't like it very much when I have to leave him at the vet, to get groomed, or the kennel. But no matter how much he hates those experiences and he knows that I am the guilty party responsible for abandoning him there - everytime upon my return to pick him up - he jumps into my arms and smothers me with kisses and unconditional love...
 
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God's Love and His Truth are exactly the same thing...we haven't been able to find
any difference...have ya'll???
 
Eromonnis

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Magenta said:
I'm sorry, but you have missed the point.

Please answer yes or no to the following:

Did Christ die for us while we were yet sinners?

Does God first love us?

Did God so love the world that He gave His Son?

Is it true that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life?​

Do those whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life pass into the second death?

If it is too difficult to just answer yes or no to the previous questions, just let me know :) You needn't go off on any other explanations or whatever it is you think you are doing in trying to justify your position.
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Yes to all, but you are using me to justify your conditional position which is exactly what conditional love is - exploitation.
Just because you do not grasp what I am saying does not mean it is untrue. It only means it is not true according to Magenta.
 
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oldethennew

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to be pitied, just like all of us once were, until our Saviour calls...
 
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Eromonnis said:
So God is not Truth, and is not Love. Wow! You must have missed those parts in the bible.
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A. Are you the same guy who came on here a couple of weeks ago to argue over anything anyone said to you, whether they agree or disagreed with you? Because you and he could be identical twins, if you're not him. He too thought he was the only one with answers, but never noticed no one but he asked any questions.

B. Wow, you think God literally is LOVE and TRUTH. Wow! You're missing reality all together.
 
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Well that's an interesting analogy. I would say love stands for the operator (+, =) truth stands for the numbers and the result (2 is always 2, 2 plus 2 always equal 4).

So without love, truths exist without any connection. Love, God, are the glue between truths, the glue between matter.

Without love/God we are in pieces. Without awareness of truth, which comes from love/God, we are fractured, or separate. Separate from them, separate from that, separate from this, etc.

Truth <>God<> Truth >>God>> Truth
Truth <>Love<> Truth >>Love>> Truth

Dino246 said:
You are essentially saying truth = love. This is an invalid equivocation. "2 + 2 = 4" is truth, but what is the relationship between love and an arithmetical equation?

Further, your assertions are not biblical. Neither "unconditional truth" nor "unconditional love" are defined as such in Scripture, and they certainly aren't presented therein with the definitions you provide. Only in a general summary statement can we assert such thorough definitions, and at that point, they lose the grounding of Scripture, making them good for discussion and poor for doctrine.

It really is best to stick with Scripture for making doctrine.
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mj007 said:
Well that's an interesting analogy. I would say love stands for the operator (+, =) truth stands for the numbers and the result (2 is always 2, 2 plus 2 always equal 4).

So without love, truths exist without any connection. Love, God, are the glue between truths, the glue between matter.

Without love/God we are in pieces. Without awareness of truth, which comes from love/God, we are fractured, or separate. Separate from them, separate from that, separate from this, etc.

Truth <>God<> Truth >>God>> Truth
Truth <>Love<> Truth >>Love>> Truth
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Here is truth.

2 + 2 = 4
Where is God in that truth? Where is love in that truth?

The sun is hot.
Where is God in that truth? Where is love in that truth?

There are 24 hours in one day.
Where is God in that truth? Where is love in that truth?

Really, just because people tell you truth, love and God are all the same thing does not mean you have to believe them.
 
Dan58

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Eromonnis said:
Unconditional love is true and real. Conditional love is a deception and unreal.
God, the Father, and the Jesus Christ, the Son, are both true and real. Those that do not understand and do not keep the way of a truthful life are both deceptive and unreal. Why would God have anything to do with what is deceptive and unreal?
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I personally don't believe in unconditional love, and I believe everything in the bible is conditional. If God's love was unconditional, there would be no need for a judgement day or a Lake of Fire. God's love is only unconditional in that its not selective, but unconditionally offered to all who will receive it and believe in Christ. But for those who reject him, the bible clearly explains that God's wrath will be poured out upon them.
 
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