Did God tell a lie? (Genesis 2-3)
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Learn from the Scriptures what actually took place in the garden of Eden. God bless
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They did indeed die. The true nature of their beings, that being their spirits, died. All who were born after inherited that same dead spirit from adam except Jesus as He had no human father. That is why the only way we can be saved or "quickened" (that means made alive) is by accepting Jesus as our Lord and receiving His living spirit.
Ge 2:17
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
KJV
for in the day that thou eatest
In Hebrew, the word בְיוֺ֛ם translated as in the day can mean:
1) in the day
2) 1n the time
3) in the event [if]
They ate and they died. If we take the 3rd meaning there is no conflict.
One could also argue that on the very day they ate they died spiritually and physical death followed later.
Disobedience is sin, even before the law was given.......especially when warned in advance.
Now just what do you think death is? The power of death lies in sin. Sin is disobdience.
It is death that was deveated on the cross, that curse of the law. Now, we are free of death, because we believe God in Jesus Christ, and we have mercy from our faith, and graces from His mercy.
This is not difficult to absorb, but it is the truth according to the Word. All that has occurred to this moment is like a picture I believe, so all is pretty much preplanned, though in myu heart I do believe coming to Jesus is a matter of free will. Only God can manage a reality of truth as this. It is beyond teh comprehension of men.
Now just what do you think death is? The power of death lies in sin. Sin is disobdience.
It is death that was deveated on the cross, that curse of the law. Now, we are free of death, because we believe God in Jesus Christ, and we have mercy from our faith, and graces from His mercy.
This is not difficult to absorb, but it is the truth according to the Word. All that has occurred to this moment is like a picture I believe, so all is pretty much preplanned, though in myu heart I do believe coming to Jesus is a matter of free will. Only God can manage a reality of truth as this. It is beyond teh comprehension of men.
I think it's just the way Humans reason....somehow we want everything to be and happen 'there and then'....we have no patience and quickly jump to our own conclusions !
This to me has become so obvious even with other things we read in the Word of God and immediately 'claim it as PRESENT time/tense....thus creating a lot of confusion and disagreement among ourselves regarding Faith and Belief !
Christians have A LOT to learn yet when it comes to 'instant claims for themselves.
This to me has become so obvious even with other things we read in the Word of God and immediately 'claim it as PRESENT time/tense....thus creating a lot of confusion and disagreement among ourselves regarding Faith and Belief !
Christians have A LOT to learn yet when it comes to 'instant claims for themselves.
He says " in the day that you eat of it thou shalt surely die"
what people arent realizing is that mankind was never created under the sentance of death, we were in Gods image and Likeness and Gods word tells us they had access to the tree of life. when they sinned, after God curses them, he expells them from the garden, and then He blocks the path to the tree of life. that is the moment when mankind, becomes mortal now adam and eve are both under the curse of sin and death. adam lives over 900 years...and then He dies.
when God said to Him " you must not eat of this fruit for in the day that you eat of it you will surely die"
God was really saying alot more than that, that is one sentance of restriction, a safety restriction none the less. its like if i worked for you in a plant and had to work around a deadly chemical, your going to warn me for my safety to watch out for it its dangerous. God was really saying to them all things are yours, i give you dominion and lordship over all of my creation over all the earth, i give you every tree and seed bearing plant and herb and animal, have dominion and rule over the earth. then He says " you are free to eat of any tree in the Garden, but.....this particular tree, its deadly dont eat from it.
Gods word to them there is Love its a warning of the only thing that will cause thier death. man was created to be like God right, holy, good, pure to rule the earth within the will of God according to His ways because they are very good ways and will lead to a very good creation they are Life to mankind as a whole. satans deception also changes thier wiew of God, questions Gods intent toward them. " did god really say you must not eat from any tree?"......surely you will not die! for God knows that when you eat of it it will make you as gods knowing good and evil" ....
he creates a perception there that God lied to them, he is just keeping the fruit to himself, its a good thing, he just doesnt want them to have it. eves response is to now" see that the fruit is good for food, pleasant to the eye, and desireable for gaining wisdom" then her actions follow her thoughts and she takes the fruit and eats it. He turns them against what God said as He gets them to disobey it, because He knows they will surely die if he can get them to eat the fruit. satan Knows Gods word will happen as spoken and He uses it against them. Killed them with Gods warning meant to Keep thier Life.....
romans 7: " For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
what people arent realizing is that mankind was never created under the sentance of death, we were in Gods image and Likeness and Gods word tells us they had access to the tree of life. when they sinned, after God curses them, he expells them from the garden, and then He blocks the path to the tree of life. that is the moment when mankind, becomes mortal now adam and eve are both under the curse of sin and death. adam lives over 900 years...and then He dies.
when God said to Him " you must not eat of this fruit for in the day that you eat of it you will surely die"
God was really saying alot more than that, that is one sentance of restriction, a safety restriction none the less. its like if i worked for you in a plant and had to work around a deadly chemical, your going to warn me for my safety to watch out for it its dangerous. God was really saying to them all things are yours, i give you dominion and lordship over all of my creation over all the earth, i give you every tree and seed bearing plant and herb and animal, have dominion and rule over the earth. then He says " you are free to eat of any tree in the Garden, but.....this particular tree, its deadly dont eat from it.
Gods word to them there is Love its a warning of the only thing that will cause thier death. man was created to be like God right, holy, good, pure to rule the earth within the will of God according to His ways because they are very good ways and will lead to a very good creation they are Life to mankind as a whole. satans deception also changes thier wiew of God, questions Gods intent toward them. " did god really say you must not eat from any tree?"......surely you will not die! for God knows that when you eat of it it will make you as gods knowing good and evil" ....
he creates a perception there that God lied to them, he is just keeping the fruit to himself, its a good thing, he just doesnt want them to have it. eves response is to now" see that the fruit is good for food, pleasant to the eye, and desireable for gaining wisdom" then her actions follow her thoughts and she takes the fruit and eats it. He turns them against what God said as He gets them to disobey it, because He knows they will surely die if he can get them to eat the fruit. satan Knows Gods word will happen as spoken and He uses it against them. Killed them with Gods warning meant to Keep thier Life.....
romans 7: " For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Unless Adam & Eve are still around, God did not lie .. As pointed out, the verse (Genesis 2:17) is better translated from the Hebrew as "dying thou dost die". It doesn't mean to immediately dropping dead, but "dying" is a process. We all start dying the day we're born.
.. As pointed out, the verse (Genesis 2:17) is better translated from the Hebrew as "dying thou dost die". It doesn't mean to immediately dropping dead, but "dying" is a process. We all start dying the day we're born.
Genesis 3 : 4-6 " And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: ( Lie) 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. ( true) ...result >>> 6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it waspleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat"
Genesis 3:8-10 " And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. 9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself."
Genesis 3 : And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."
Genbesis 3 " And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."
man was not mortal until they ate the fruit and transgressed Gods Word that is immutable, " you shall surely die in that day" happened because they were expelled from the garden and forbidden now from eating the fruit of the tree of Life. these are the things , that Jesus came to " reconcile" to redeem us from" to save us from".....man is not what we were created to be, we followed satans will ( sin) and were all under the sentance of death, we know it as mortality. we die from the day were mature. all who are born now must die because of these things.
its why the whole purpose of what Jesus came to restore and reconcile the original relationship between God and Man, to offer forgiveness to sinners who by decree are sentanced to death, and to remake us into His image that we Lost, to restore our right to eat from the tree of life that adam Lost. see
Gen 2: 9 :" And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
we know adam ate the fruit and was then expelled from the right to eat the fruit of the tree of life and live forever.
then later you see
revelation 2:7 " He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Amen! And he will restore us with himself when his kingdom is fully established at last on the earth!
Revelation (of Jesus Christ) Chapter 22
" Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations"
Praise him!
It's wonderful how Revelation completes Genesis.
Revelation (of Jesus Christ) Chapter 22
" Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations"
Praise him!
It's wonderful how Revelation completes Genesis.
Ephesians 2:5 - even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
*This happens at Justification.
Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
*Not to be confused with ongoing Sanctification.
Philippians 2:12 - So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
*This happens at Justification.
Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
*Not to be confused with ongoing Sanctification.
Philippians 2:12 - So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
I am not sure how you come to that conclusion when there were no nations to heal in the garden. The scenario you are referencing takes place in the New Jerusalem, when those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life have already put on immortality; the corruptible has put on the incorruptible. But whatever, Willie. No eye has seen nor ear heard not mind conceived...