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There is sufficient internal evidence to confirm that Paul wrote Hebrews, and there is really no reason to suggest that someone else is the writer. It is significant that the King James translators had no doubt that Paul penned Hebrews. Paul was given the responsibility of explaining the meaning of the Gospel in Scripture and this is a part of that.
THE EPISTLE OF PAUL THE APOSTLE TO THE HEBREWS is the title of this book in the KJV.
THE EPISTLE OF PAUL THE APOSTLE TO THE HEBREWS is the title of this book in the KJV.
The original KJV 1611 has "The Epistle of Paul the Apostle to the Hebrews"
OUR SALVATION IS A GREAT SALVATION THUS A WARNING THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE NEGLECTED
How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;
THE GOSPEL OF SALVATION ORIGINATED WITH THE LORD
which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,
THAT GOSPEL WAS CONFIRMED TO THE WRITER BY CHRIST'S APOSTLES WHO HEARD HIM PERSONALLY
and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
Nowhere in all this is there even a hint that the writer did NOT receive His epistle by Divine revelation. Just goes to show that if we do not examine the words carefully we can be jumping to false conclusions. What Paul is saying is that the Gospel which he was taught directly by the Lord was confirmed to him by the apostles, who extended to him the right hand of fellowship. But Paul received all of his teachings by Divine revelation, and directly from Christ (see Galatians 1).
Furthermore, Paul is clearly shown to be the spiritual father and mentor of Timothy, and he refers to Timothy in Hebrews as follows: Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you. (Heb 13:23). The close connection between the two is obvious in this verse.
That verse gives the "appearance" that the writer received his epistle "second-hand" (as you suggest). But the actual wording of that verse says no such thing. So let us look at that verse carefully:
OUR SALVATION IS A GREAT SALVATION THUS A WARNING THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE NEGLECTED
How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;
THE GOSPEL OF SALVATION ORIGINATED WITH THE LORD
which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,
THAT GOSPEL WAS CONFIRMED TO THE WRITER BY CHRIST'S APOSTLES WHO HEARD HIM PERSONALLY
and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
Nowhere in all this is there even a hint that the writer did NOT receive His epistle by Divine revelation. Just goes to show that if we do not examine the words carefully we can be jumping to false conclusions. What Paul is saying is that the Gospel which he was taught directly by the Lord was confirmed to him by the apostles, who extended to him the right hand of fellowship. But Paul received all of his teachings by Divine revelation, and directly from Christ (see Galatians 1).
Furthermore, Paul is clearly shown to be the spiritual father and mentor of Timothy, and he refers to Timothy in Hebrews as follows: Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you. (Heb 13:23). The close connection between the two is obvious in this verse.
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According to this article the original manuscript didn't have Paul's name on it.
Who Is the Author of the Hebrews?
Who Is the Author of the Hebrews?
yes if you notice Hebrews circles around and around with about 4 main subjects there are repeated warnings explaining we have to repent, and we indeed can " Lose salvation" if we persist in disobedience. the point is made really well in chapter ten that goes hand in hand woith chapter 4s warning, chapter ten explains why because of the price paid for our redemption.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the >>knowledge of the truth,<< ( john ch 14:15-26 the holy spirit) there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
this point is actually repeated by nearly every epistle longer than 4 chapters. whether paul is the author, peter, John, or the 4 Gospels. we are saved is we believe and continue on in that belief, it simply is not a one time thing, its a daily decision to follow Jesus because He has promised us things well worth following Him all our days. people are not seeing that grace, and the gospel teachings, go together to produce sanctification in our lives. if any person will begin to study Jesus teachings and believe that its the way were meant to Live, through Learning those things two things Happen.
first, as we Learn things, we are encouraged by some things He teaches and says, and we are a bit cut by other things He says. for instance is im a person who is sexually driven and im always looking at other women, and fantasizing about sex with other beautiful women....then when I see Jesus explain that to lust after a woman in my Heart and mind, is actually comitting adultery already spiritually, and then he tells us how serious it is and to rid our lives of that lust.
so if i am a lustful person, thats going to cut me or offend me a bit at the least and human nature wants to exclude that now from truth because it means that i need to change. but if lust is not my issue if i never let my eyes and mind stray to other women, when i read those same scriptures, im going to actually feel encouraged and approved of, "Jesus is actually telling people to be like me when it comes to lust nd to have pure thoughts"
we find such great statements of assurance and encouragement in His words, forgiveness, mercy, Love for us, miraculous power in His word. and also equally important are His teachings and commands to us, His ways. to help the needy not turn from them, to look purely at others, to not hold grudges, to forgive quickly and be the one to make effort to reconcile arguments, to share and help others in Jesus name, to treat other human beings like family, like respected Loved By God children.......those things are Gods will for us, not to get stuck on who can lose or not lose salvation, Jesus alone will decide who is accepted and rejected and there will be bother groups. certainly salvation is an ongoing process that we can turn from if that is our will.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the >>knowledge of the truth,<< ( john ch 14:15-26 the holy spirit) there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
this point is actually repeated by nearly every epistle longer than 4 chapters. whether paul is the author, peter, John, or the 4 Gospels. we are saved is we believe and continue on in that belief, it simply is not a one time thing, its a daily decision to follow Jesus because He has promised us things well worth following Him all our days. people are not seeing that grace, and the gospel teachings, go together to produce sanctification in our lives. if any person will begin to study Jesus teachings and believe that its the way were meant to Live, through Learning those things two things Happen.
first, as we Learn things, we are encouraged by some things He teaches and says, and we are a bit cut by other things He says. for instance is im a person who is sexually driven and im always looking at other women, and fantasizing about sex with other beautiful women....then when I see Jesus explain that to lust after a woman in my Heart and mind, is actually comitting adultery already spiritually, and then he tells us how serious it is and to rid our lives of that lust.
so if i am a lustful person, thats going to cut me or offend me a bit at the least and human nature wants to exclude that now from truth because it means that i need to change. but if lust is not my issue if i never let my eyes and mind stray to other women, when i read those same scriptures, im going to actually feel encouraged and approved of, "Jesus is actually telling people to be like me when it comes to lust nd to have pure thoughts"
we find such great statements of assurance and encouragement in His words, forgiveness, mercy, Love for us, miraculous power in His word. and also equally important are His teachings and commands to us, His ways. to help the needy not turn from them, to look purely at others, to not hold grudges, to forgive quickly and be the one to make effort to reconcile arguments, to share and help others in Jesus name, to treat other human beings like family, like respected Loved By God children.......those things are Gods will for us, not to get stuck on who can lose or not lose salvation, Jesus alone will decide who is accepted and rejected and there will be bother groups. certainly salvation is an ongoing process that we can turn from if that is our will.
Jesus died for the sins of the World, He died, "while we were yet sinners"
Rom. 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
But Jesus didn't "SAVE" us at our worse. Not everyone will be saved as Jesus said.
Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
So man's preaching that we "Come as we are" or that Jesus "Saves us at our worse" is in opposition to what He teaches, which is, if there is no repentance, no change, there is no salvation, there is no "Saved".
Rom. 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
But Jesus didn't "SAVE" us at our worse. Not everyone will be saved as Jesus said.
Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
So man's preaching that we "Come as we are" or that Jesus "Saves us at our worse" is in opposition to what He teaches, which is, if there is no repentance, no change, there is no salvation, there is no "Saved".
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With God and his gospel. I am not confused. I am confused about how people can believe certain things.
Again, Not confused about these things at all. The Bible says he has perfected forever (it is a done deal) those who are being sanctified (it is a work in process) Paul told us to continue to run the race. So we have to follow the guidance of the HS and God if we want to run the race and see the fruit of our labors.
I think you are confused as to what I said, and maybe what I believe? I agree with everything you said there.
Again, Not confused about these things at all. The Bible says he has perfected forever (it is a done deal) those who are being sanctified (it is a work in process) Paul told us to continue to run the race. So we have to follow the guidance of the HS and God if we want to run the race and see the fruit of our labors.
I think you are confused as to what I said, and maybe what I believe? I agree with everything you said there.
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I have to be a psychic to know thast a person who is changed and made a new creature in Christ, who has the HS in them, who will chasten and correct them when they start to go astray will never be as bad as they were before they were CHANGED?
The fact you think a person can be changed and are not new creature in christ, given the HS and directed by him and corrected by him can return to being the total enemy of God who could never love and never do any good should scare you.
are you denying God can change a person and keep them from falling? I am just asking, not attacking. The reason I ask is it seems silly to say we trust God and have faith in his promises, but do not trust God to keep us from falling. Or changing us.
The fact you think a person can be changed and are not new creature in christ, given the HS and directed by him and corrected by him can return to being the total enemy of God who could never love and never do any good should scare you.
are you denying God can change a person and keep them from falling? I am just asking, not attacking. The reason I ask is it seems silly to say we trust God and have faith in his promises, but do not trust God to keep us from falling. Or changing us.
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People just can not see that we have corrected each other and repented or at least admitted we may have been wrong. They think we are just out to attack everyone who disagrees with us (which if they actually looked at our history in the thread, even myself and DC do not agree with everything, and have had some pretty good discussion and ended up disagreeing.
Repentance is turning toward God.
Its not sorrow. It’s only GODLY sorrow if we turn toward God as a result.
Jesus said repent for the Kingdom of God is AT hand. Which means in front of you.
We don’t clean ourselves up to come to Jesus. We come to Jesus to be cleaned up.
It was by HIS WORD that the disciples were cleansed.
Its not sorrow. It’s only GODLY sorrow if we turn toward God as a result.
Jesus said repent for the Kingdom of God is AT hand. Which means in front of you.
We don’t clean ourselves up to come to Jesus. We come to Jesus to be cleaned up.
It was by HIS WORD that the disciples were cleansed.
And speaking of repentance., here is a paragraph taken from a post about repentance ., Repentance is not about crying and beating ourselves up so as to be somehow "showing" God and others just how worthy one makes themselves in the self loathing department. It's not our self loathing., it's Jesus Love and grace given for us that first saves us and then delivers us from sin.
What is repentance?
The Greek word commonly translated repentance (metanoia) literally means to change your mind. (You can check this out for yourself by looking up a Greek lexicon such as Thayer’s and Smith’s Bible Dictionary or Vines Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words.) The Greek word for repent (metanoeo) is similar and both words are derived from the Greek word for mind (nous). So to repent is to change your mind. Nothing more, nothing less. Let’s look at an example from scripture:
“The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!” (Mar 1:15)
....... The religious mind interprets Jesus’ words as “turn from sin and believe the good news.” But that is not what Jesus is saying. Jesus is addressing unbelievers. He is saying “change your unbelieving mind and believe the good news.” Repentance is not primarily a sin issue, it’s a faith issue. We are born walking by sight and trusting in the flesh. Jesus says, change the way you think and believe the good news
What is repentance?
The Greek word commonly translated repentance (metanoia) literally means to change your mind. (You can check this out for yourself by looking up a Greek lexicon such as Thayer’s and Smith’s Bible Dictionary or Vines Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words.) The Greek word for repent (metanoeo) is similar and both words are derived from the Greek word for mind (nous). So to repent is to change your mind. Nothing more, nothing less. Let’s look at an example from scripture:
“The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!” (Mar 1:15)
....... The religious mind interprets Jesus’ words as “turn from sin and believe the good news.” But that is not what Jesus is saying. Jesus is addressing unbelievers. He is saying “change your unbelieving mind and believe the good news.” Repentance is not primarily a sin issue, it’s a faith issue. We are born walking by sight and trusting in the flesh. Jesus says, change the way you think and believe the good news
Amen bro.
When Scripture says they were “stubborn” and “stiff-necked” the idea being illuminated is won’t allow correction.
Its being lead by a yoke, but suddenly being stiff necked and not turning where the Master wants to go.
Holy Spirit IS inside each of us, even out of the mouth of babes and donkeys wisdom can speak.
The moment I think I am too wise for correction I have been made foolish.
It doesn’t mean I automatically agree, but I consider it and bring it prayerfully before the Lord for His leading.
Sometimes even if people don’t communicate an idea well to me, it doesn’t mean there isn’t a spiritual reality attached to it God is showing me. So I submit many things to ask Him what He is saying... even if I don’t agree at all with what is being said.
Yet I’ll be honest and say I know the voice of my Father is love so I am more inclined to look for love in a person than any other.
When Scripture says they were “stubborn” and “stiff-necked” the idea being illuminated is won’t allow correction.
Its being lead by a yoke, but suddenly being stiff necked and not turning where the Master wants to go.
Holy Spirit IS inside each of us, even out of the mouth of babes and donkeys wisdom can speak.
The moment I think I am too wise for correction I have been made foolish.
It doesn’t mean I automatically agree, but I consider it and bring it prayerfully before the Lord for His leading.
Sometimes even if people don’t communicate an idea well to me, it doesn’t mean there isn’t a spiritual reality attached to it God is showing me. So I submit many things to ask Him what He is saying... even if I don’t agree at all with what is being said.
Yet I’ll be honest and say I know the voice of my Father is love so I am more inclined to look for love in a person than any other.
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I love this part especially: repentance is a faith issue.
We can turn away from sin without turning toward God because the Pharisees did this, but we can’t turn toward to God without turning away from sin.
Theres a reason why His goodness and kindness leads to repentance. It’s in seeing Him as for us and not against us that we begin to eagerly change the way we think toward Him and His Kingdom ways.
We can turn away from sin without turning toward God because the Pharisees did this, but we can’t turn toward to God without turning away from sin.
Theres a reason why His goodness and kindness leads to repentance. It’s in seeing Him as for us and not against us that we begin to eagerly change the way we think toward Him and His Kingdom ways.