GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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It was the Test Commandment that God gave to men to see if they would listen to Him or the serpent.
Ex. 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.
25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Remember to keep the Sabbath Day of Jesus Holy. Because He made this day for us. He made the Commandment, and He created this test. The Bible says Jesus is the same yesterday (God of the Old Testament) today (Jesus the Messiah) and forever (King of Kings, Lord of Lords)
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Did not Jesus, before becoming a man, create this "test commandment"?
Ex. 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.
25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Remember to keep the Sabbath Day of Jesus Holy. Because He made this day for us. He made the Commandment, and He created this test. The Bible says Jesus is the same yesterday (God of the Old Testament) today (Jesus the Messiah) and forever (King of Kings, Lord of Lords)
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Did not Jesus, before becoming a man, create this "test commandment"?
Galatians 3:23-25
[FONT="]23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.[/FONT]
[FONT="]24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
There wasn't just one "test" commandment. They were all designed to bring us to Christ.
But after we have come to Christ we are no longer under the commandments. Not even "test" commandments.[/FONT]
[FONT="]23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.[/FONT]
[FONT="]24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
There wasn't just one "test" commandment. They were all designed to bring us to Christ.
But after we have come to Christ we are no longer under the commandments. Not even "test" commandments.[/FONT]
Again,
You preach things that are just false.
Gen.26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Abraham didn't have the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial, ceremonial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins. Levi wasn't even born yet. This Law was "ADDED" 430 years later as Paul explains. (Gal. 3:17-19) But Abraham had God's universal Laws that all mankind had from the beginning.
So your entire post is based on a false foundation. Your preaching that God killed the whole of Sodom for rejected Law He had not given them is exactly what Paul was speaking about regarding the fake preachers of his time.
Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
25 Who changed the truth of God (He is Just and no respecter of persons)into a lie,(He killed thousands for breaking Laws He never gave them) and worshipped and served the creature (Today this would be the long haired men's hair shampoo model you all call Jesus) more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
You preach things that are just false.
Gen.26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Abraham didn't have the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial, ceremonial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins. Levi wasn't even born yet. This Law was "ADDED" 430 years later as Paul explains. (Gal. 3:17-19) But Abraham had God's universal Laws that all mankind had from the beginning.
So your entire post is based on a false foundation. Your preaching that God killed the whole of Sodom for rejected Law He had not given them is exactly what Paul was speaking about regarding the fake preachers of his time.
Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
25 Who changed the truth of God (He is Just and no respecter of persons)into a lie,(He killed thousands for breaking Laws He never gave them) and worshipped and served the creature (Today this would be the long haired men's hair shampoo model you all call Jesus) more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
That is the Catholic doctrine. But I'm not a Catholic so I don't follow these traditions.
If I walk into a store and there is a sign on the door, "shoplifters will be prosecuted". Is that Law for me? Well, if I'm a shoplifter it is. But if I am not a shoplifter, then I am not "under this Law" am I. As long as I continue not to steal from this place, this Law is not for me.
The Law kills me and the only place I can be drawn out from under this death is through Jesus. Once Jesus forgives me the penalty of my transgressions, I am no longer under them.
This does not, as you preach, give me the freedom to shoplift. If I shoplift, I am again brought back under the Law and must either pay the penalty or be forgiven again.
Rom. 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, (Shoplift) because we are not under the law, (in jail) but under grace?(forgiven) God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, (Not free from the sign, but free from the penalty) ye became the servants of righteousness.
"Go and Shoplift no more"
If I walk into a store and there is a sign on the door, "shoplifters will be prosecuted". Is that Law for me? Well, if I'm a shoplifter it is. But if I am not a shoplifter, then I am not "under this Law" am I. As long as I continue not to steal from this place, this Law is not for me.
The Law kills me and the only place I can be drawn out from under this death is through Jesus. Once Jesus forgives me the penalty of my transgressions, I am no longer under them.
This does not, as you preach, give me the freedom to shoplift. If I shoplift, I am again brought back under the Law and must either pay the penalty or be forgiven again.
Rom. 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, (Shoplift) because we are not under the law, (in jail) but under grace?(forgiven) God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, (Not free from the sign, but free from the penalty) ye became the servants of righteousness.
"Go and Shoplift no more"
see, that's the thing. studydude and all the rest of the Sabbath/law folks very selectively read the Bible, and very selectively pick and choose which verses and laws and commands to keep. then they either ignore or twist any Scripture that does not fit their agendas.
I wonder how many of them have actually read the Bible all the way through multiple times?
I wonder how many of them have actually read the Bible all the way through multiple times?
"Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law but under grace."
The trouble with your interpretation is "Jesus is the saviour of all men especially of them that believe." The law certainly gives knowledge of sin and of the Sabbath that you don't keep; speaking to those who think they can keep the law: you make it very obvious that you have not entered into rest. If I retired and ceased work altogether you would not be able to see me entered into rest because of jealousy that I don't follow you. You convince that the whole law had to be done away with so that we don't become arrogant enforcers of Law and think that that's walking in the Love of God: the law can't bring us to freedom. And its condemn dead men that can be saved, in the "Fellowship of the sufferings of Christ." If you understood this you would not judge others as in sin having accepted that we all died in sin and received Grace as influence of God to walk towards the Light of God. Not to walk as men pleasers, there is a leader personality in men that could never be pleased, it has to die.
The trouble with your interpretation is "Jesus is the saviour of all men especially of them that believe." The law certainly gives knowledge of sin and of the Sabbath that you don't keep; speaking to those who think they can keep the law: you make it very obvious that you have not entered into rest. If I retired and ceased work altogether you would not be able to see me entered into rest because of jealousy that I don't follow you. You convince that the whole law had to be done away with so that we don't become arrogant enforcers of Law and think that that's walking in the Love of God: the law can't bring us to freedom. And its condemn dead men that can be saved, in the "Fellowship of the sufferings of Christ." If you understood this you would not judge others as in sin having accepted that we all died in sin and received Grace as influence of God to walk towards the Light of God. Not to walk as men pleasers, there is a leader personality in men that could never be pleased, it has to die.
Re: Not By Works
Originally Posted by Ralph-
How does one conclude that the person who says he is the chief of sinners also kept the law?
("Concerning the law, blameless.")
Keeping the law kills us by pride of achievement: thinking we are better than others is contrary to God. Division is the confused language of the carnal mind desiring to be in charge:
The beginning of prayer is work until cough up in the wind of the Spirit: like an eagle exerting strength to reach the updraft.
Thee Grace of God is the work of God: renewed strength to reach the wind of the Spirit, as labour to enter into His rest. it's enough for the carnal mind to be dived over work that is no longer work: saying the same thing differently ends when we agree with God. "Lean not on your own understanding but trust in the Lord." The work of God that we agree with and work together with Him, the truth be known arguing about the same thing said differently, for lack of Love: not having reached the updraft: not doing the work, "The work of God is to believe on Him whom He has sent." To believe is to do the work of Love, "For the Grace of God has appeared to all men, that denying ungodliness and worldly lust we should live godly, righteously and soberly in this present world." This is not yet achieved and can be lost, Just like an eagle losing direction of the updraft, distracted by a prey. "You have left your first Love, be zealous therefore and repent." Of the 7 churches in revelations even Philadelphia the only one the Lord did not reprove: as they were walking in Love, He said to them, those who overcome will rule with Him, implying they were not yet mature in Love. Because protestant theology is small eternal security does not make sense, "Some will be saved but as through fire but will lose their reward." Protestant refused to believe believers who did not overcome the world will be released from hell after the thousand year reign, to be judged according to their works.
Now we know in part: when these parts cause division we become carnal, this is from leaning on our u understanding. Do I believe in eternal security? Yes, do I believe in the work of God? Yes, it frees me from having to prove myself to be anything when without Love I am nothing.
How does one conclude that the person who says he is the chief of sinners also kept the law?
("Concerning the law, blameless.")
Keeping the law kills us by pride of achievement: thinking we are better than others is contrary to God. Division is the confused language of the carnal mind desiring to be in charge:
The beginning of prayer is work until cough up in the wind of the Spirit: like an eagle exerting strength to reach the updraft.
Thee Grace of God is the work of God: renewed strength to reach the wind of the Spirit, as labour to enter into His rest. it's enough for the carnal mind to be dived over work that is no longer work: saying the same thing differently ends when we agree with God. "Lean not on your own understanding but trust in the Lord." The work of God that we agree with and work together with Him, the truth be known arguing about the same thing said differently, for lack of Love: not having reached the updraft: not doing the work, "The work of God is to believe on Him whom He has sent." To believe is to do the work of Love, "For the Grace of God has appeared to all men, that denying ungodliness and worldly lust we should live godly, righteously and soberly in this present world." This is not yet achieved and can be lost, Just like an eagle losing direction of the updraft, distracted by a prey. "You have left your first Love, be zealous therefore and repent." Of the 7 churches in revelations even Philadelphia the only one the Lord did not reprove: as they were walking in Love, He said to them, those who overcome will rule with Him, implying they were not yet mature in Love. Because protestant theology is small eternal security does not make sense, "Some will be saved but as through fire but will lose their reward." Protestant refused to believe believers who did not overcome the world will be released from hell after the thousand year reign, to be judged according to their works.
Now we know in part: when these parts cause division we become carnal, this is from leaning on our u understanding. Do I believe in eternal security? Yes, do I believe in the work of God? Yes, it frees me from having to prove myself to be anything when without Love I am nothing.
Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ.What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.
(Galatians 3:16-17)
(Galatians 3:16-17)
Paul is clearly talking about the Law given to Israel through Moses, starting at Sinai.
Abraham did not have this Law as it "came 430 years later"
so what commandments and statutes were given between Genesis 1 and Genesis 25?
have a look at Genesis 9, please. you will find there a covenant established between God and man, long before Sinai, long before Israel, one which in fact involves commandments and statutes. interestingly you will not find any sabbath commandment. you will not find any commandment to keep sabbath anywhere in scripture at all, until you come to Exodus 16.
also please have a look at Romans 4 - Abraham was also given the statute of circumcision as a sign for the promise made to him and his descendants. but this was commanded to Abraham after the promise and Abraham was declared righteous before he had done any works - on the basis of Abraham's belief.
Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him,
“I am God Almighty;
Walk before Me, and be blameless.
“I will establish My covenant between Me and you,
And I will multiply you exceedingly.”
(Genesis 17:1-2)
“I am God Almighty;
Walk before Me, and be blameless.
“I will establish My covenant between Me and you,
And I will multiply you exceedingly.”
(Genesis 17:1-2)
in the rest of the chapter that follows, God's gives the command of circumcision as the Covenant between Him and Abraham and all his descendants. Abraham kept this. but the promise was given to him 24 years earlier, in Genesis 12, and ratified with God's oath in Genesis 15 - where He walked through, as Abraham, unable to do so himself, rested - in the promise.
And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
(Galatians 5:3-4)
(Galatians 5:3-4)
something has radically changed - a bridegroom, blood. go back to Romans 4, and keep reading till you at least get through chapter 8.
Mat Chapter 5 was not addressed to the Church. There would, in fact, be no Church until after the resurrection.
Jesus is addressing the crowds, in general; and the Pharisees, in partcular, in the sermon on the mount.
His intent is to show that God's standard is so high that people are unable to meet it in their own strength.
His message, not only in the sermon on the mount, but, throughout His earthly ministry, is that people can't please God through their own efforts, and need a Savior, Himself.
You are trying to make this sermon say something it was NEVER intended to say.
Goodness gracious MarcR so in your view God is lying when he says...........
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
and again....
Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY Word that proceeds out of the Mouth of God.
Of course Matthew 5 is addressed to everyone who professes to BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God. To deny it is to deny the very Word of God itself.
If you reject God's Word you reject him who loves you. No one has said anywhere in this thread that we can please God with our own efforts exccept to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us by FAITH that works by LOVE which fulfills God's LAW in those who BELIEVE.
Do you know the scriptures MarcR?
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
and again....
Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY Word that proceeds out of the Mouth of God.
Of course Matthew 5 is addressed to everyone who professes to BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God. To deny it is to deny the very Word of God itself.
If you reject God's Word you reject him who loves you. No one has said anywhere in this thread that we can please God with our own efforts exccept to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us by FAITH that works by LOVE which fulfills God's LAW in those who BELIEVE.
Do you know the scriptures MarcR?
..............
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
We are in the NEW Covenant now my friend and the shadows are fulfilled in him who loves all. Read the OP your question has already been answered. If you read the OP you would already know that however.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
.................
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?