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Seohce

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Blah, blah, blah...your posts will continue to mean nothing in this thread as long as you continue to falsely accuse and believe in your mind that any of us promote, push or proclaim the drivel you accuse us of....funny thing...birds a feather is a true saying and it seems that the only one who likes your posts in like manner cannot tell the truth nor recognize the truth even if it was in front of him/her in 10 story high neon orange letters!
New International Version 1984 John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
 
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We can do nothing without Him.
That's right. That means if we aren't doing anything then we don't have Him. Our lawless disobedience showing that we do not know Him. We will be rejected when Jesus comes back. Not saved.

No amount of Bible study leading, church attending, church program participation, pastoring, giving, no positive confessions of being saved, no boast of his grace, no work of service or praise for God will save the person who is not producing the fruit of the Spirit because they do not know Him.

Matthew 7:21-23 is an indictment of every 'faith alone' Christian busy spreading their 'you do not have to have works to be saved when Jesus comes back because salvation is not by works and once you are saved you are always saved' gospel. Only those who do the will of the Father will be saved when He returns.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."-Matthew 7:21

Works show that you know Christ and are saved by faith in his forgiveness, and will be saved when He returns.
 

Seohce

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I see that Cainology is still rampent today....he pushed works as well.....When I see the blood (not works) I will pass over you.

He that believes on the Son (not works for) is having everlasting life.

He that believes on the Son (not works for) is not CONDEMNED.

It pleased God by the foolishness of preqching to save them that BELIEVE (Not works for)

Faith is what eternally saves a man (not works for)

Not by works of righteousness which we have done (past tense) but according to his mercy has he saved us (past tense)
Not by works( NOT VOID OF WORKS) but by grace thru FAITH.(eph 2:8-9)
Justified by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.(james 2:24)
Faith that Worketh in Love.(gal 5:6)
Faith and Action Working TOGETHER.(james 2:22)
Salvation is by GRACE through FAITH and NOT BY WORKS(of ourselves).(#1)
It is NOT BY FAITH ALONE(#2)but it WORKS in LOVE(#3)thus FAITH & LOVE(works of obedience(romans 1:5) manifested in ACTION and in TRUTH)(1john 3:16-18)are working TOGETHER.(#4)
2 John 1:6 AND THIS IS LOVE: THAT WE WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE.
THE FIRST PHASE OF SALVATION IS TO BELIEVE IN THE ONE THAT GOD HAS SENT AND IN HIS WORD OF TRUTH, THE GOSPEL OF OUR SALVATION.
(john 6:28-29, eph 1:13,romans 10:8-17).
THROUGH THIS FAITH WE WILL RECEIVE THE PROMISED HOLY SPIRIT(the Helper/Counsellor)(gal 3:14, john 14:16-17)
John 6:28-29 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the WORKS GOD REQUIRES?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to BELIEVE in the one he has sent.”
THE SECOND PHASE IS THE WORKING OUT OF THAT SALVATION AND REMAINING/CONTINUING IN THE FAITH TO THE END THROUGH OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S WILL AND COMMANDMENTS, DOING GOOD WORKS. WALKING AS JESUS DID AND BEING A PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST WHO DOES THE WORKS BEING LED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHO IS THE HEAD.
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, HIS BODY OF WHICH HE IS THE SAVIOR.
1 Corinthians 12:28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.
1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.
John 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has FAITH in me WILL DO WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father
1 Corinthians 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, iF YOU HOLD FIRMLY TO THE WORD I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
Romans 1:5 Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the OBEDIENCE that comes from FAITH.
Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always OBEYED—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—CONTINUE TO WORK OUT YOUR SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING.
Romans 6:16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—WHETHER YOU ARE SLAVES TO SIN, WHICH LEADS TO DEATH, OR TO OBEDIENCE, WHICH LEADS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS?
2 Corinthians 9:13 Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, men will praise God for the OBEDIENCE THAT ACCOMPANIES YOUR CONFESSION OF THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else.
Ephesians 4:11-13 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to PREPARE God’s people FOR WORKS OF SERVICE, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the FULLNESS of Christ.
Romans 2:7 To those who by persistence in DOING GOOD seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
Galatians 6:9 Let us not become weary in DOING GOOD, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus TO DO GOOD WORKS, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
1 Timothy 6:18-19 Command them TO DO GOOD, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.
Hebrews 5:8-9 Although he was a son, he learned OBEDIENCE from what he suffered and, once made PERFECT, he became the SOURCE OF ETERNAL SALVATION for all who OBEY HIM.
Matthew 19:16-17 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do TO GET ETERNAL LIFE?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS.”
Matthew 25:21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful SERVANT You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. COME AND SHARE YOUR MASTER’S HAPPINESS!’
WE ARE SANCTIFIED BY THESE TRUTHS AS IT IS WRITTEN:
John 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.
James 1:22 BUT BE YE DOERS OF THE WORD AND NOT HEARERS ONLY deceiving your own selves.
Romans 2:13 (For it is not the hearers of the law who are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God: that WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS; and His commandments are not grievous.
1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deed and in truth.
Ephesians 3:19 and to know this LOVE that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all THE FULLNESS OF GOD.
THE THIRD PHASE OF SALVATION IS SALVATION FROM GOD’S WRATH. THIS IS DEPENDING ON GOD’S MERCY AND JUDGMENT(JUSTICE).
Romans 9:15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
1 John 4:17 In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because IN THIS WORLD WE ARE LIKE HIM.
Matthew 12:36-37 But I tell you that MEN WILL HAVE TO GIVE ACCOUNT ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
John 16:8 When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father,(ref:john 14:12) where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgment,(ref:hebrews 10:26-27) because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
Romans 2:5-10 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will give to each person according to what he has done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
Romans 14:10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? FOR WE WILL ALL STAND BEFORE GOD’S JUDGMENT SEAT.
2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, NOT TO BEAR SIN, BUT TO BRING SALVATION to those who are waiting for him.
1 Peter 4:17-18 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for THOSE WHO DO NOT OBEY the gospel of God? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the SINNERS.
John 7:17-18 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who WORKS for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.
John 3:34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.
John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
 
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How is honoring God/Jesus by trusting Him enough to submit to Gods Righteousness and not our own, our righteousness?
It's the big lie in the church. Obedience is you trying to save yourself. Disobedience is you not trusting in work to save you.

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;
Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!-Isaiah 5:20
 

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That's right. That means if we aren't doing anything then we don't have Him. Our lawless disobedience showing that we do not know Him. We will be rejected when Jesus comes back. Not saved.

No amount of Bible study leading, church attending, church program participation, pastoring, giving, no positive confessions of being saved, no boast of his grace, no work of service or praise for God will save the person who is not producing the fruit of the Spirit because they do not know Him.

Matthew 7:21-23 is an indictment of every 'faith alone' Christian busy spreading their 'you do not have to have works to be saved when Jesus comes back because salvation is not by works and once you are saved you are always saved' gospel. Only those who do the will of the Father will be saved when He returns.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."-Matthew 7:21

Works show that you know Christ and are saved by faith in his forgiveness, and will be saved when He returns.
1st Thessalonians 5 16- 18 rejoice always, pray constantly , give thanks in all circumstances, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

so there you go. ralph kramdon, proved wrong again.
 
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1st Thessalonians 5 16- 18 rejoice always, pray constantly , give thanks in all circumstances, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

so there you go. ralph kramdon, proved wrong again.
If that's the narrow knowledge of God's will that you're depending on that constitutes one who knows Christ and who will not be rejected when he returns, well, better put your asbestos underwear on. Your're going to need it.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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1st Thessalonians 5 16- 18 rejoice always, pray constantly , give thanks in all circumstances, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

so there you go. ralph kramdon, proved wrong again.
its never a straight discussion


just strawmen so obvious a child can see through it

they talk about imaginary people and belief systems

tear them down

then lump what they tear down with truth

to elevate their works....

so many mental gymanstics just to flop face first
 

Seohce

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I see that Cainology is still rampent today....he pushed works as well.....When I see the blood (not works) I will pass over you.

He that believes on the Son (not works for) is having everlasting life.

He that believes on the Son (not works for) is not CONDEMNED.

It pleased God by the foolishness of preqching to save them that BELIEVE (Not works for)

Faith is what eternally saves a man (not works for)

Not by works of righteousness which we have done (past tense) but according to his mercy has he saved us (past tense)
I see that Cainology is still rampent today....he pushed works as well.....When I see the blood (not works) I will pass over you.

He that believes on the Son (not works for) is having everlasting life.

He that believes on the Son (not works for) is not CONDEMNED.

It pleased God by the foolishness of preqching to save them that BELIEVE (Not works for)

Faith is what eternally saves a man (not works for)

Not by works of righteousness which we have done (past tense) but according to his mercy has he saved us (past tense)
Not by works( NOT VOID OF WORKS) but by grace thru FAITH.(eph 2:8-9)

Justified by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.(james 2:24)

Faith that Worketh in Love.(gal 5:6)
Faith and Action Working TOGETHER.(james 2:22)

Salvation is by GRACE through FAITH and NOT BY WORKS(of ourselves).(#1)
It is NOT BY FAITH ALONE(#2)but it WORKS in LOVE(#3)thus FAITH & LOVE(works of obedience(romans 1:5) manifested in ACTION and in TRUTH)(1john 3:16-18)are working TOGETHER.(#4)

2 John 1:6 AND THIS IS LOVE: THAT WE WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE.

THE FIRST PHASE OF SALVATION IS TO BELIEVE IN THE ONE THAT GOD HAS SENT AND IN HIS WORD OF TRUTH, THE GOSPEL OF OUR SALVATION.

(john 6:28-29, eph 1:13,romans 10:8-17).
THROUGH THIS FAITH WE WILL RECEIVE THE PROMISED HOLY SPIRIT(the Helper/Counsellor)(gal 3:14, john 14:16-17)

John 6:28-29 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the WORKS GOD REQUIRES?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to BELIEVE in the one he has sent.”

THE SECOND PHASE IS THE WORKING OUT OF THAT SALVATION AND REMAINING/CONTINUING IN THE FAITH TO THE END THROUGH OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S WILL AND COMMANDMENTS, DOING GOOD WORKS. WALKING AS JESUS DID AND BEING A PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST WHO DOES THE WORKS BEING LED BY THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHO IS THE HEAD.

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, HIS BODY OF WHICH HE IS THE SAVIOR.

1 Corinthians 12:28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.

1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.

John 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has FAITH in me WILL DO WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father

1 Corinthians 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, iF YOU HOLD FIRMLY TO THE WORD I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

Romans 1:5 Through him and for his name’s sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the OBEDIENCE that comes from FAITH.

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always OBEYED—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—CONTINUE TO WORK OUT YOUR SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING.

Romans 6:16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—WHETHER YOU ARE SLAVES TO SIN, WHICH LEADS TO DEATH, OR TO OBEDIENCE, WHICH LEADS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS?

2 Corinthians 9:13 Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, men will praise God for the OBEDIENCE THAT ACCOMPANIES YOUR CONFESSION OF THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else.

Ephesians 4:11-13 It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to PREPARE God’s people FOR WORKS OF SERVICE, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the FULLNESS of Christ.

Romans 2:7 To those who by persistence in DOING GOOD seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

Galatians 6:9 Let us not become weary in DOING GOOD, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus TO DO GOOD WORKS, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

1 Timothy 6:18-19 Command them TO DO GOOD, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.

Hebrews 5:8-9 Although he was a son, he learned OBEDIENCE from what he suffered and, once made PERFECT, he became the SOURCE OF ETERNAL SALVATION for all who OBEY HIM.

Matthew 19:16-17 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do TO GET ETERNAL LIFE?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS.”

Matthew 25:21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful SERVANT You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. COME AND SHARE YOUR MASTER’S HAPPINESS!’

WE ARE SANCTIFIED BY THESE TRUTHS AS IT IS WRITTEN:
John 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

James 1:22 BUT BE YE DOERS OF THE WORD AND NOT HEARERS ONLY deceiving your own selves.

Romans 2:13 (For it is not the hearers of the law who are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God: that WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS; and His commandments are not grievous.

1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deed and in truth.

Ephesians 3:19 and to know this LOVE that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all THE FULLNESS OF GOD.

THE THIRD PHASE OF SALVATION IS SALVATION FROM GOD’S WRATH. THIS IS DEPENDING ON GOD’S MERCY AND JUDGMENT(JUSTICE).

Romans 9:15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

1 John 4:17 In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because IN THIS WORLD WE ARE LIKE HIM.

Matthew 12:36-37 But I tell you that MEN WILL HAVE TO GIVE ACCOUNT ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

John 16:8 When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father,(ref:john 14:12) where you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgment,(ref:hebrews 10:26-27) because the prince of this world now stands condemned.

Romans 2:5-10 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will give to each person according to what he has done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

Romans 14:10 You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? FOR WE WILL ALL STAND BEFORE GOD’S JUDGMENT SEAT.

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, NOT TO BEAR SIN, BUT TO BRING SALVATION to those who are waiting for him.

1 Peter 4:17-18 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for THOSE WHO DO NOT OBEY the gospel of God? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the SINNERS.

John 7:17-18 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who WORKS for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.

John 3:34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.

John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
 

Locutus

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What's it all about, Ralphie?
Is it just for this thread you live?
What's it all about when you sort it out, Ralphfie?



 
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gb9

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If that's the narrow knowledge of God's will that you're depending on that constitutes one who knows Christ and who will not be rejected when he returns, well, better put your asbestos underwear on. Your're going to need it.
that would be Paul's definition you are insulting, not mine.
 

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Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”
 
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to elevate their works....
Jesus elevates your works. Not you.

He grants entry into the kingdom, or disposal into the furnace, on whether or not you have works. Works are the evidence He Himself will use to judge you as one having faith or one not having faith. No change of life shows you have no saving faith. You will be rejected when He returns.

Don't be led astray any further into this 'you don't have to have works to be saved when Jesus comes back because salvation is not by works, and once you are saved you are always saved' gospel. Don't get to the judgement without works thinking your faith that is 'alone' saved you. Your faith that is 'alone' will not save you then. That's what Jesus, John, and James said, not me.
 

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Malachi 2:17 You have wearied the Lord with your words. “How have we wearied him?” you ask. By saying, “All who do evil are good in the eyes of the Lord, and he is pleased with them” or “Where is the God of justice?”

New International Version 1984 Malachi 3:13-18 “You have said harsh things against me,” says the Lord. “Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’ “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.’” Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. “They will be mine,” says the Lord Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.
 
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Jesus elevates your works. Not you.

He grants entry into the kingdom, or disposal into the furnace, on whether or not you have works. Works are the evidence He Himself will use to judge you as one having faith or one not having faith. No change of life shows you have no saving faith. You will be rejected when He returns.

Don't be led astray any further into this 'you don't have to have works to be saved when Jesus comes back because salvation is not by works, and once you are saved you are always saved' gospel. Don't get to the judgement without works thinking your faith that is 'alone' saved you. Your faith that is 'alone' will not save you then. That's what Jesus, John, and James said, not me.
what are you talking about?


this started because studyman was wrong about matthew

you then replied to him with some of your favorite gibberish

and now youre talking about works?


what works will save you ralph?


it is by Grace <- Gods grace
through faith <- answer to Gods call
that we accept the sacrifice God prepared and payed in full to be the atonement for our sin (Jesus Christ... God in the flesh)

are you adding to the Gospel again?
 
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if you want to talk about the fruits of the spirit <- Gods works


thats a different thread little ralphy


this is about how salvation is not by our works

i think youre confused
 
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what works will save you ralph?
I am JUSTIFIED, right now, by faith apart from works. And so in that sense I am saved right now.

I will be saved from destruction when Jesus comes back when he sees the evidence of that faith, my spiritual works. Works of kindness, works of love, works of patience, and so on. No works means I will not be saved from God's wrath when Jesus returns because no works shows I am not justified apart from works by faith. Understand?

I know this is probably new teaching to you. It is to most Christians because the church is in a horrible state of apostasy right now. We ourselves are but a few years old. But the church has been around for almost 2000 years. History shows us it has changed a lot in that time. It has been puffed up with the leaven of bad teaching. It's been working it's way through the whole lump for quite a while now. We are living in the end times apostasy just before Christ returns. I understand it if you can't grasp that just yet. But it's really true.
 
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