Is the great biblical flood real or not?

[Endoscopy]

Any scientist cult can tell just so stories and publish cartoons.
But that isn't science.

The Holy Bible is history recorded by eye witnesses, provided with geneaologies, locations, time frames, predictions of God, and extending down to the prrsent day as the ONLY KNOWN HISTORY OF MANKIND, and has a continuity throught of the purpose of God from beginning to predicted end of mankind.
In case you haven't ever noticed the obvious....
The world of heathen intellectuals can offer no history whatsoever.
They can't explain where and/or how anything originated.
But you can just believe that the cosmos created and invented itself without reason purpose.
"The nobody created, designed or did anything" theory.

True science leads to and establishes technolgies that obey the laws governing nature.
False science leads to cartoons of just so stories about the supposed time before history.

Archaeological digs have proven the accuracy of the history of the Bible. Sodom and Jericho are two prime examples.

Sodom was obliterated by a pyroclastic (superheated) blast Turing the lower city into dust and the upper city the upper portions of the buildings turned into dust.

Jericho had its massive inner wall fall outward covering the smooth ramp and smaller outer wall. Thus making a ramp to walk into the city. The city was attacked and the population killed and the town burned. Valuables were left including the freshly harvested grain.

This is just 2 of many sites.

 

[trofimus]

Science isn't based on juries, concensus, and vague probability claims.

Neither is truth of what happened during crime dependent on what jury think is probable or not.

Such nonsense is invented by biased people who have no integrity and only desire to create "just so stories" that agree with their anti Holy Bible philosophies, and packaged ad cartoon friendly propoganda for children.

You mean young earth creationists?

Very few scientists go to science with an idea "I will prove that Bible is not true!".

While almost all creationist scientists have this goal and thats why they produce web pages like creation.com, icr and similar.

Their bias is the most obvious of all.

 

[Joseppi]

I think early on in building the world, before any life was seeded here, it was entirely covered with water.

I'm guessing the lands and mountains were erected more quickly than the scientific consensus, but I guess the subduction / earthquake process might have been the way it was done.

I think this process would have been so shaky that no life could have been seeded here during it and survived.

That is why I don't think any mountains were formed during the gflood, but well in advance.

Perhaps you can reply to enlighten me if any of my assumptions are erroneous...

Neither is truth of what happened during crime dependent on what jury think is probable or not.

Perhaps you'll be helped by noting that God's way of proving the testimonies in legal matters is to not use juries, but rather, to demand two or more witnesses to establish lawful truth.
Which is why the jury of jewish leaders in Jesus day could not legally prove Jesus guilty of any crime, even though they attempted to provide false witnesses.
But, alas, God's legal demand for two independent witnesses is sufficient to destroy the plot of wicked false witnesses since, liars can never get their stories right. Even as the lying scientists and false translators can't produce a story that isn't full of obvious errors and lies.

 

[Joseppi]

I don't know why my last post included a quote from an earlier unrelated post.
I'll try to do better since it must be confusing to readers.
I also find myself unable to edit typo's from my post because no matter what I've tried.
Which is why my posts have strange letters in them.

 

[Dino246]

I don't know why my last post included a quote from an earlier unrelated post.
I'll try to do better since it must be confusing to readers.
I also find myself unable to edit typo's from my post because no matter what I've tried.
Which is why my posts have strange letters in them.

I found that if I have used the "+" button to respond to several posts at one time, I need to unclick that button on each post before I use "Reply With Quote" again.

 

[CainHarmbank]

I think you should make your peace with The Lord. You have an attitude problem. If his omnipotence is a problem for you, you are stumbling through information (having started off on the wrong foot) rather than studying it. And you are open to all sorts of deception.


Job 38:4

[FONT=&quot]“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Tell me, if you understand.



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How would you suggest I make my peace with the Lord?

 

[Magenta]

I don't know why my last post included a quote from an earlier unrelated post.
I'll try to do better since it must be confusing to readers.
I also find myself unable to edit typo's from my post because no matter what I've tried.
Which is why my posts have strange letters in them.

Are you on a computer, or phone? There is a five minute edit limit, which shows on the bottom right of your post after you have sent it. You can always preview your post before sending it, also, by selecting Go Advanced instead of Post Quick Reply

 

[CainHarmbank]

I note that you provided no scientific evidence because the isn't any.
And I saw no indication that you understood my point about there being no mechanism that sorts out materials into banded layers.
The banded layerd seen world wide are banded because all materials within a band have been sorted in deep water and laid down as a layer in a short time.
Whereas, long periods of time materials can't be sorted out into discrete bands either in or out of water.
Which means that the banding you see worldwide is the global evidence of a global flood of deep water.

I took into consideration your point about banded layers of rocks needing to be sorted by conscious effort, and I didn't try to contend against it.

But my contention with the consensus that seems to exist here, is this process of laying discrete bands of varying rocks, and forming land, hills, mountains, I don't think scripture supports this happened during the flood. Rather scripture supports it happened before man's time on earth, in "the beginning" when God created heaven and earth, and or when dry land was formed in "day 3"

 

[CainHarmbank]

No worries. You can check the gender of a contributor by noting the colour of their nickname in the upper-left corner. Males are blue, females are pink. A few newcomers get it wrong, but I have yet to meet anyone on here who intentionally misrepresents themselves.



Actually, there is plenty of evidence to support a worldwide flood in human memory, but you probably won't find it by following Nova, BBC, or National Geographic. I would recommend answersingenesis.org, icr.org and creation.com as a start.

As for genetic diversity from Noah's family, that is primarily from Scripture, but supported by other sources. I can do some digging if you're serious about learning. I don't have them on hand to list; much of my knowledge comes from a wide variety of books, lectures, YouTube videos, and articles, so I doubt I could cite them all. Some names that come to mind are Jonathan Sarfati, Ken Ham, Jason Lisle, Don Patton, and Thomas Kindell. There are also extensive video series from the Northwest Creation Conferences over the last decade or so.

Perhaps the publications you recommend are good at putting forward that the world and life must have been built and seeded through a conscious coordination of creative efforts.

But seems bible thumpers ridicule themselves reading into this flood story as having any kind of on the surface accuracy.

Have you ever considered, that a literal flood like weather event may not even be literally related to the LORD God killing ALL man HE created?

You notice how Genesis chap 1 says God created. And Genesis chap 2 says LORD God created?

You ever think Genesis chap 2 only represents a small subset of life of LORD God, but not all life of God written in Genesis chap 1?

Therefore looks like a more discriminatory and perhaps local genocide event, kinda like NAZI's hunting Jews... You think?

 

[Joseppi]

Perhaps the publications you recommend are good at putting forward that the world and life must have been built and seeded through a conscious coordination of creative efforts.

But seems bible thumpers ridicule themselves reading into this flood story as having any kind of on the surface accuracy.

Have you ever considered, that a literal flood like weather event may not even be literally related to the LORD God killing ALL man HE created?

You notice how Genesis chap 1 says God created. And Genesis chap 2 says LORD God created?

You ever think Genesis chap 2 only represents a small subset of life of LORD God, but not all life of God written in Genesis chap 1?

Therefore looks like a more discriminatory and perhaps local genocide event, kinda like NAZI's hunting Jews... You think?

In the Holy Bible, Genesis 2 starts with the end of creation week, and presents the relevance of a sabbath dayb and then introduces a new subject.
The new subject is "generations" not creation.
And there isn't any creative act in Genesis 2.

 

[Joseppi]

I took into consideration your point about banded layers of rocks needing to be sorted by conscious effort, and I didn't try to contend against it.

But my contention with the consensus that seems to exist here, is this process of laying discrete bands of varying rocks, and forming land, hills, mountains, I don't think scripture supports this happened during the flood. Rather scripture supports it happened before man's time on earth, in "the beginning" when God created heaven and earth, and or when dry land was formed in "day 3"

The Genesis narrative of the flood doesn't discuss all the ramifications of God's two recorded events, The opening of the windows of heaven and the breaking up of the fountains of the deep, that both occurred on the same day.

The evidence of the breaking up of the fountains of the deep was found in recent times, and is the 4o,ooo mile long crack in the earth called the mid-oceanic ridge.

The global flood of Noah produced and is proven to have occurred by global size evidences.

One evidence is the global size and depth of water sorted sediments that are two miles deep and sitting on the continents of the earth.
Those sediments exrend over oceans.
Another global size evidence is the fossilized remains of crestures buried in those same sediments, and which fossils prove that a global size extinction event occurred.
Another evidence is the subsequent creatiexcept1ooo's of languages at Babel, for which languages, there is no scientific explanation nor any history of except the Genesis historical testimony.
Another global evidence is the sliding away of continents from the mid oceanic ridge that occurred after the deposition of the flood sediments now found on the continents.
Which horizontal continental movements ground to a halt onbthe west coasts creating a compression wave easward resulting in the formation of mountain ranges that are aligned with the. western coastlines of the America's
The slide wss effected by wster under the continents, the uplift at the mid oceanic ridges, and the collapse of the whole Pacific Ocean basin that facilitated removing flood waters off the continents.
Anothe global evidence is the massive trenches that were formed when the flood waters abated off the continents.
None of the global evidences can be hidden today from anyone.
There is no excuses for not knowing God's written word is true and that the modern man is lying and making up absurd stories in a wicked attempt to turn mankind away from mankind's true and only history.

 

[CainHarmbank]

In the Holy Bible, Genesis 2 starts with the end of creation week, and presents the relevance of a sabbath dayb and then introduces a new subject.
The new subject is "generations" not creation.
And there isn't any creative act in Genesis 2.

What about all that stuff about forming man from the dust of the ground, and making woman out of man's rib?

That wasn't creative? Whatever it means...

 

[Joseppi]

What about all that stuff about forming man from the dust of the ground, and making woman out of man's rib?

That wasn't creative? Whatever it means...

Eve was created the same 6th day as Adam.

In chapter two we find, that in teaching about the topic of generations with respect to Adam, that the first thing God did was open Adam's eyes to see that he didn't have a mate.

Once Adam saw his need for a wife then God put Adam asleep, removed a rib and formed the woman's body.

There is a teaching involved in this matter.
The woman existed before Adam saw her. For in the day God created man he created male and female.
Therefore, man can't be understood except by understanding male and female.
And God created man in his own image.
Therefore, we discover that God isn't so simple to understand. God it turns out, has the heart of a mother.
Deeper still we go when we find that the second Adam, Jesus Christ, had hidden in him, the church, later to be revealed.
I won't go on about this because its off the thread topic.
But, note that, God used anesthesia and performed surgury. Advanced knowledge.
And note, the rib was chosen as the correct part of Adam to use for the purpose of regeneration as only proven recently.

God created in six days.
God didn't choose to create over spans of thousands or bizillions of years, nor instantaneously, because those times teach nothing.

 

[PS]

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (Gen 1:27 KJV)


The Hebrew for man is aw-dawm' (H120) It was translated adam in our Bibles.

aw-dawm' means human being, the same as mankind means human being, women included.

 

[PS]

What about all that stuff about forming man from the dust of the ground, and making woman out of man's rib?

That wasn't creative? Whatever it means...

It was symbolic of marriage.

Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed. (Gen 2:24-25 ESV)

If you notice it speaks of a man leaving his father and mother to take a wife.

Matthew Henry says, “She was not made out of his head to top him, she was not made out of his feet to be trampled upon by him, but out of his side to be equal to him, under his arm to be protected, and near his heart to be loved."


The unity of marriage is stressed when a man leaves his father and mother and is united with his wife and they become one.

 

[CainHarmbank]

The Genesis narrative of the flood doesn't discuss all the ramifications of God's two recorded events, The opening of the windows of heaven and the breaking up of the fountains of the deep, that both occurred on the same day.

The evidence of the breaking up of the fountains of the deep was found in recent times, and is the 4o,ooo mile long crack in the earth called the mid-oceanic ridge.

The global flood of Noah produced and is proven to have occurred by global size evidences.

One evidence is the global size and depth of water sorted sediments that are two miles deep and sitting on the continents of the earth.
Those sediments exrend over oceans.
Another global size evidence is the fossilized remains of crestures buried in those same sediments, and which fossils prove that a global size extinction event occurred.
Another evidence is the subsequent creatiexcept1ooo's of languages at Babel, for which languages, there is no scientific explanation nor any history of except the Genesis historical testimony.
Another global evidence is the sliding away of continents from the mid oceanic ridge that occurred after the deposition of the flood sediments now found on the continents.
Which horizontal continental movements ground to a halt onbthe west coasts creating a compression wave easward resulting in the formation of mountain ranges that are aligned with the. western coastlines of the America's
The slide wss effected by wster under the continents, the uplift at the mid oceanic ridges, and the collapse of the whole Pacific Ocean basin that facilitated removing flood waters off the continents.
Anothe global evidence is the massive trenches that were formed when the flood waters abated off the continents.
None of the global evidences can be hidden today from anyone.
There is no excuses for not knowing God's written word is true and that the modern man is lying and making up absurd stories in a wicked attempt to turn mankind away from mankind's true and only history.

The fountains of the deep sounds like oceans.

Windows from heaven sounds like rain from clouds.

Sounds like lots of rain, and tsunami like waves 15 cubits high ( ~ 20 ft ).

All the hills being covered sounds like they just got soaked, but not totally submerged.

After the flood, when the tops of the mountains could be seen, sounds like that was just clouds clearing.

Again, it doesn't sound like this flood was like establishing new foundations of the earth.

And it seems to me, that true wickedness is confusing a genocidal destructive event with a beautiful creative event.

 

[CainHarmbank]

It was symbolic of marriage.

Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed. (Gen 2:24-25 ESV)

If you notice it speaks of a man leaving his father and mother to take a wife.

Matthew Henry says, “She was not made out of his head to top him, she was not made out of his feet to be trampled upon by him, but out of his side to be equal to him, under his arm to be protected, and near his heart to be loved."


The unity of marriage is stressed when a man leaves his father and mother and is united with his wife and they become one.

I kind of think...

ground means vagina
dust means blood
formed from the dust of the ground, like a fetus growing in the womb
a man to til the ground, sexual intercourse
a mans rib is his inside, so a woman the inside out version of man

 

[blue_ladybug]

WHUT?!

 

[Joseppi]

The fountains of the deep sounds like oceans.

Windows from heaven sounds like rain from clouds.

Sounds like lots of rain, and tsunami like waves 15 cubits high ( ~ 20 ft ).

All the hills being covered sounds like they just got soaked, but not totally submerged.

After the flood, when the tops of the mountains could be seen, sounds like that was just clouds clearing.

Again, it doesn't sound like this flood was like establishing new foundations of the earth.

And it seems to me, that true wickedness is confusing a genocidal destructive event with a beautiful creative event.

The "deep" refers to the ocesn that existed before the flood.
Fountains of the deep are where water came up through the ocean floor.

 

[Endoscopy]

Neither is truth of what happened during crime dependent on what jury think is probable or not.



You mean young earth creationists?

Very few scientists go to science with an idea "I will prove that Bible is not true!".

While almost all creationist scientists have this goal and thats why they produce web pages like creation.com, icr and similar.

Their bias is the most obvious of all.

The problem that those supporting big bang evolution have is it violates 5 separate scientific laws. Also diamonds have carbon 14 in them. Millions of years would have had that gone.
Oops
Young earth proved.