GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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And as far as obeying the Law, Christ is Grace imparted to us. The Mosaic Law is Death to us. To Teach Otherwise is Judaism not Christianity. So if you obey the Mosaic Law, when was the last time you went to the Temple Mount to make a Sacrifice? Exactly, Old things are done away with because Jesus Christ has made the New way possible. Do not put Old Wine into New Wineskins brother.
What do you think the New Wine is?
 

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How many more times do you have to be told we don't kill violators of the law in the NT...we try to teach them 'repentance and obedience...but if they stubbornly refuse they will be killed by God Himself in the lake of fire from which there is no return... because the disobedient will not be in the Kingdom.

Concentrate on your OWN rehabilitation man and stop worrying what other people do !
and the law in NT not teach sabbath more than other day
 
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1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

So you can't know God or believe in him, if your breaking the law.


1 John 3"4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.




If you love God, you must also John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.



John 14: 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

I'm so tired of arguing about this, Why are you separating God's law from his Love? when we know Sin separates us from God and the transgression of God's law is Sin, if you take away the Law, we don't know that were sinning, the law is meant to show us that were sinners, Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The law shows us were sinners, and that we need Jesus to save us, because the law itself cannot save us
Galatians 3:23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Once you accept Christ into your life, and you ask God to forgive sin, your no longer under the law, the law exist to show us that we've sinned, once we've asked God to take away the sin, it no longer exist, he's cast it into the bottomless pit, So the law no longer holds us in bondage, were free, from the curse of death.


Stop trying to get rid of the law, otherwise we don't know better, Yeah believing and Jesus is fine, but if we believe in God and kill our fellowmen and cause them to be lost, we don't actually love God, because if we loved God we'd also love others and want them to love God, so stop separating something that was never meant to be separated, the law and the gospel are one, without the law How can we tell others to repent from sin? when theirs nothing telling them Sin's wrong, How can we tell them Jesus died to take away sin, when sin cannot exist without the law, because Sin is the transgression of the law, The world can't know about How Jesus saved them from Sin, if we teach their is no sin.

GodBless

Please listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeJuc40VxDw song, very beautiful.
 

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1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

So you can't know God or believe in him, if your breaking the law.


1 John 3"4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.




If you love God, you must also John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.



John 14: 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

I'm so tired of arguing about this, Why are you separating God's law from his Love? when we know Sin separates us from God and the transgression of God's law is Sin, if you take away the Law, we don't know that were sinning, the law is meant to show us that were sinners, Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

The law shows us were sinners, and that we need Jesus to save us, because the law itself cannot save us
Galatians 3:23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Once you accept Christ into your life, and you ask God to forgive sin, your no longer under the law, the law exist to show us that we've sinned, once we've asked God to take away the sin, it no longer exist, he's cast it into the bottomless pit, So the law no longer holds us in bondage, were free, from the curse of death.


Stop trying to get rid of the law, otherwise we don't know better, Yeah believing and Jesus is fine, but if we believe in God and kill our fellowmen and cause them to be lost, we don't actually love God, because if we loved God we'd also love others and want them to love God, so stop separating something that was never meant to be separated, the law and the gospel are one, without the law How can we tell others to repent from sin? when theirs nothing telling them Sin's wrong, How can we tell them Jesus died to take away sin, when sin cannot exist without the law, because Sin is the transgression of the law, The world can't know about How Jesus saved them from Sin, if we teach their is no sin.

GodBless

Please listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeJuc40VxDw song, very beautiful.
Lovely post I totally agree with. You keep mentioning your video which I am unable to activate so I have to rely on what you say and it is all good. Bless the Lord for giving so much knowledge to so young a person who will hopefully teach and preach it for a long time to come....my days could soon come to an end.
What you say is music to my ears but there are MANY yet who do not hear and refuse to hear....then they expect miracles !
WE who are spiritual should talk more with each other in the hope some crumb of revelation might fall under the table to benefit the blind, deaf and lame who reject the direct Word of God that they might be healed and lifted up !!!
GOD has already spoken and made His Will known but they have so far remained DISobedient...now they want JESUS to tell them again to keep the Sabbath.
Time for talking and commanding is over...JESUS shows by EXAMPLE and inspires the obedient !!!
Heb 5v8,9
should motivate them (the disobedient) to action. There is no other short-cut but to bow our knees to the mighty God in heaven ! Praise the Lord !
 
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HAPPY SABBATH EVERYONE (My time in the future)! What a delightful day of resting in God's LOVE and remembering the God of creation, whos POWER is in HIS WORD, through FAITH. :)

God's Blessing to all...
 

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and the law in NT not teach sabbath more than other day
Telling and teaching people about the Sabbath was mainly done in the OT by God Himself and is used to draw people to Christ through their obedience to it.
NOW in the NT we can take the next step of WALKING WITH Christ through His Spirit...it's another step forward in our growth with God.
To expect Jesus to teach again about obedience to the Will of God is going backwards...it's already been done by His own example of having been raised in the law. Why do you expect to be 'excused from learning obedience ? Heb 5v8,9. Get to it and learn if you want to be a son of the most High !

Hearing and reading about God will get you nowhere...it's the DOING that counts.
 

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Why do you expect to be 'excused from learning obedience ? Heb 5v8,9. Get to it and learn if you want to be a son of the most High !

Hearing and reading about God will get you nowhere...it's the DOING that counts.
Apart from BELIEVING, doing counts for nothing (John 6:40; Matthew 7:21-23). Which acts of obedience/works are you trusting in for salvation? Obeying the 10 commandments? Keeping the sabbath day holy? Have you PERFECTLY obeyed the 10 commandments? How do you answer the question, "What must I do to be saved?" (Acts 16:30)
 

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Apart from BELIEVING, doing counts for nothing (John 6:40; Matthew 7:21-23). Which acts of obedience/works are you trusting in for salvation? Obeying the 10 commandments? Keeping the sabbath day holy? Have you PERFECTLY obeyed the 10 commandments? How do you answer the question, "What must I do to be saved?" (Acts 16:30)
now dan, you know these folks do not answer questions.

( that is why there theology is not real. l.g.f. wrote a 1000 word essay on how reading Acts 15 and 16 is not proper context, while plucking chapters and verses out of different books of the Bible, connecting them, and writing his own commentary . that sound reasonable to you ? )
 

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now dan, you know these folks do not answer questions.

( that is why there theology is not real. l.g.f. wrote a 1000 word essay on how reading Acts 15 and 16 is not proper context, while plucking chapters and verses out of different books of the Bible, connecting them, and writing his own commentary . that sound reasonable to you ? )
Yes we do answer questions but you don't like them. Btw, I don't speak to people who call me names ...that's why some don't get replies !
 
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What do you think the New Wine is?
Wine as the spirit essence of life represents the new spirit he freely gives us that will never die .Having it in anticipation as a living hope of our new bodies

The old represents temporal the corrupted flesh .

New wine needs new wine skin that will never burst.

Luk 5:35 But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.Luk 5:36

Interestingly knowing if Christ has begun the good work of salvation in us no man also having drunk old wine immediately desires new: for he saith, The old is better.

Takes time for Christ to be formed in us.When we receive our new wine skins then we have broken the fast and will then drink of the fruit of the vine consummating the wedding of His bride the church and our husband Christ.

And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.Mat 22:1



Would not come.They who did not have the Spirit of Christ chose the old as the better.
 

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now dan, you know these folks do not answer questions.

(that is why there theology is not real. l.g.f. wrote a 1000 word essay on how reading Acts 15 and 16 is not proper context, while plucking chapters and verses out of different books of the Bible, connecting them, and writing his own commentary . that sound reasonable to you ?)
By the time I receive an answer to that question (after terms are re-defined and verses in the Bible are taken out of context in a 1000 word essay by LGF), the end result is salvation by “grace plus law, faith plus works”. Subtle mixture of law and grace which is a perversion of the Gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9) :(
 

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FlyingDove;3432009]At savlation God gives us the HOLY SPIRIT as: A Seal, A Down Payment, A deposit, A Guard, A pledge. ITS A GUARANTEE!

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed "ye were sealed with that holy Spirit'' of promise
(NOTE: When you believed, you were "SEALED" by the HOLY SPIRIT, a promise of God)

Eph 1:14 Which is the down payment of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession
(NOTE: The HOLY SPIRIT the you were SEALED with is GODS down payment on your salvation)

Eph 4:30 grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are "sealed" unto the day of redemption
(NOTE: GODS HOLY SPIRIT IS A SEAL given unto you receive your incorruptible heavenly body (1 Cor 15:42-44-53) on the day of redemption)

Tim 1:14 The Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you
(NOTE: God gives us the HOLY SPIRIT as a deposit. To guard us until the final day of redemption)

2 cor 1:22 Who hath also "sealed us" & "given the earnest" of the Holy Spirit in our hearts
(NOTE: God has SEALED us with a down payment of the HOLY SPIRIT)

2 Cor 5:5 God, who also hath given unto us "the earnest" of the Spirit

Do the following Word's of God qualify as part of the "Word of Truth" we are to "Trust in".

Ex. 32:2 I (Jesus) am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me (Jesus).

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I (Jesus) the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Can a person receive the HS if they don't really "Trust" these "words of truth"?
 

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The two great witnesses stand before you and both are in agreement. The one witnesses to the other. One is OLD and one is NEW both testify of the Word of God.
But from Exod 12 onwards the Old is to ISRAEL specifically, the New is to the church worldwide.

I do not see the New agreeing with the Old, otherwise why have a NEW? The Old was in the letter, the New in the Spirit, the letter kills, the Spirit gives life.

You stick to the old law which produces death, I prefer the New which gives life.

You cannot disregard and ignore the OLD Testament scriptures that are the foundation of the NEW Testament.
I do not disregard them. They were binding on Israel. But I do recognise their limitations. Have you read Romans 1-3? That put them in their place.

The NEW Testament is built on the Old Testament and together they are the Word of God and is why God's Word says;

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16)
It also says 'rightly divide the word of truth.'
 

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At savlation God gives us the HOLY SPIRIT as: A Seal, A Down Payment, A deposit, A Guard, A pledge. ITS A GUARANTEE!

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed "ye were sealed with that holy Spirit'' of promise
(NOTE: When you believed, you were "SEALED" by the HOLY SPIRIT, a promise of God)

Eph 1:14 Which is the down payment of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession
(NOTE: The HOLY SPIRIT the you were SEALED with is GODS down payment on your salvation)

Eph 4:30 grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are "sealed" unto the day of redemption
(NOTE: GODS HOLY SPIRIT IS A SEAL given unto you receive your incorruptible heavenly body (1 Cor 15:42-44-53) on the day of redemption)

Tim 1:14 The Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you
(NOTE: God gives us the HOLY SPIRIT as a deposit. To guard us until the final day of redemption)

2 cor 1:22 Who hath also "sealed us" & "given the earnest" of the Holy Spirit in our hearts
(NOTE: God has SEALED us with a down payment of the HOLY SPIRIT)

2 Cor 5:5 God, who also hath given unto us "the earnest" of the Spirit
(NOTE: God have given us the HOLY SPIRIT as a down payment = the earnest)
Yes all True! Think of the Holy Spirit in us as a Spiritual Battery given as a gift to a Christian to do the will of God. This "Battery" needs recharging from time to time. There are different ways to do this but one of the best is to Not forsake the Assembly of your Brothers and Sisters( IE the Church ). Some more verses to consider...

Ephesians 5:18
Acts 7:55
Acts 9:17
 

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What do you think the New Wine is?
2 Corinthians 3:5-11
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Its really obvious.

The Old is death and condemnation. The New is Life and Righteousness.

The Old is shadow. The New is the Body of Christ.

Colossians 2:13-17
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.



 

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Telling and teaching people about the Sabbath was mainly done in the OT by God Himself and is used to draw people to Christ through their obedience to it.
NOW in the NT we can take the next step of WALKING WITH Christ through His Spirit...it's another step forward in our growth with God.
To expect Jesus to teach again about obedience to the Will of God is going backwards...it's already been done by His own example of having been raised in the law. Why do you expect to be 'excused from learning obedience ? Heb 5v8,9. Get to it and learn if you want to be a son of the most High !

Hearing and reading about God will get you nowhere...it's the DOING that counts.

hello Beta,
you say Jesus not teach about obedience? Is wrong my Dear friend Jesus teach obedience

Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will ​obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.”John 14:23 | NIV | love
 

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hello Beta,
you say Jesus not teach about obedience? Is wrong my Dear friend Jesus teach obedience

Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will ​obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.”John 14:23 | NIV | love
Sorry Jackson you are right ...I did not use the right word, meant to say sabbath, not obedience. YOU said in another post that Jesus did not talk much about keeping the sabbath...and I agree He never commanded sabbath-observance because that had already been taught on OT and for people of God was a 'given...no need to talk/command again. How many times do people need TELLING ? WHEN are they going to start to obey ?????? Now you want Jesus to command you AGAIN ?

If you don't let the Father DRAW you through sabbath-keeping(respecting GOD's holy day) you will never get near the true Christ who is the Lord of the Sabbath ! how else will you become holy if you reject the holy beginning offered ? you can't and it will keep you out of God's Kgd and HIS holy presence !
 
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Hello Grandpa,

Some comments for you again below for your consideration....

Originally Posted by lightbearer: What do you think the New Wine is?
2 Corinthians 3:5-11
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Its really obvious. The Old is death and condemnation. The New is Life and Righteousness. The Old is shadow. The New is the Body of Christ.
It seems you do not know what the Old Covenant is if your interpretaion is that God's LAW (10 Commandments) is abolished.

Let’s look at the rest of the chapter?

v 6, Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament (Covenant); not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit giveth life.
v7, But if the ministration of death, written and graven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away.
v8, How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
v9, For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
v10, For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
v11, For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
v12, Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
v13, And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
v14, But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
v15, But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16, Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17, Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Lets’ put it all together….


v6-7 What is the ministration of death graven in stone? It is God’s Law (10 commandments; Exodus 20:1-17; 31:18; 32:16). Why were they called the ministration of death? Because God’s Law (10 commandments) give the knowledge of sin and righteousness but makes nothing perfect (James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; 7:7; Hebrews 7:19 ).

God’s Law only shows what sin is and if broken, the penalty for sin is death (
Romans 6:23). v8-10 It was to teach us that we are all sinners in need of a saviour and that all the world may become guilty before God (Romans 3:10; 19; Isaiah 64:6).

It leads us to Christ that we might be justified by faith (
Galatians 3:24; Romans 3:28). v10-17 The glory of the one passes to the glory of the other (Law to Christ). They both work together to bring the sinner to salvation.

It is the glory of the one (God’s Law) that points to the Glory of the other because God’s Law leads the sinner to the Saviour (Galatian 3:24-25). The glory has been done away not God’s Law.

God’s Law is perfect and is forever but makes nothing perfect it is the knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteousness (Ecclesiastes 3:14) but makes nothing perfect.

Faith that works by love through walking in the Spirit is the new ministration when someone is born again. This is the new covenant of the one written on stone (Old Covenant) to the promise of God's Law being written in the heart by LOVE (Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:9-12).


This is the difference between the true Gospel and the counterfeit. The counterfeit Gospel is one that tries to separate God’s Law from the cross but without God’s Law no one has the knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteousness (James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; 7:7; Hebrews 7:19).

You may need to rethink your interpretation of the scriptures. Disagree with the above? Please make your case and present your scriptures. If you cannot you should BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word.

God's LAW (10 Commandments however have NEVER been a Shadow of ANYTHING
because they scriptures say they are FOREVER.

If your interpreation of 2 Corinthians 3 is that God's Law is ABOLISHED how do you know what SIN is and how do you reconcile the following scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of God's Word?


1. The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). 2. God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7).

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God's LAW is the standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12).

4. God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35).

5. Gods Law is still in force today and are a sign of who God's saints are (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.).

6. The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4).

7. It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31).

8. God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5).

9. Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it ( Matt 5:17-20 ).

10. God's LAW is the embodiment of truth that instructs ( Rom 2:18-19 ). It is "holy" and "spiritual, " making sin known to us by defining it; therefore, Paul delights in it ( Romans 7:7-14Romans 7:22).

11. God's LAW is good if used properly ( 1 Tim 1:8 ), and is not opposed to the promises of God ( Gal 3:21 ).

12. Faith does not make God's LAW void, but the Christian establishes the law ( Rom 3:31 ), fulfilling its requirements by walking according to the Spirit ( Rom 8:4 ) through love ( Rom 13:10 ).

My dear friend; you cannot know the power of God or the Gospel of Grace without the 10 commandments. If there is NO LAW then you do not know what SIN is (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). If you do not know what SIN is you have NO need of a Savior. If you have NO need of a Savior you have NO Salvation. If you have NO Salvation you are LOST because it is written.


Colossians 2:13-17
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And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Yes this is what the OP is about did you want to adress the OP and the scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of the scritpures? It seems that you do not know what the Old Covenant is. IF you do not know what the Old Covenant is how can you know what the NEW Covenant is?

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 
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