What does this mean: "I have said, Ye are gods..."

[MarcR]

Ps 96:1-5
O sing unto the Lord a new song: sing unto the Lord, all the earth.
2 Sing unto the Lord, bless his name; shew forth his salvation from day to day.
3 Declare his glory among the heathen, his wonders among all people.
4 For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all mighty ones. [elohiym] signifies mighty ones]
5 For all the gods of the nations are silly things: but the Lord made the heavens. [eliyliym signifies silly things Not idols]
KJV

My translation.

[eliyliym signifies silly things Not idols] The idea is that that are not to be dignified by calling them objects of worship.

 

[Musicus]

1 Kings 11:7
Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, and for Molech the abomination of the Ammonites, on the mountain east of Jerusalem.


1 Kings 11:33
because they have forsaken me and worshiped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, Chemosh the god of Moab, and Milcom the god of the Ammonites, and they have not walked in my ways, doing what is right in my sight and keeping my statutes and my rules, as David his father did.




Exodus 7:11
Then Pharaoh summoned the wise men and the sorcerers, and they, the magicians of Egypt, also did the same by their secret arts.

i dont think the Egyptian priest were calling on the Lord of Israel for that power. its also an interesting passage, the Egyptians, who worshiped many gods, produced many snakes, Moses and Aaron, who worshiped the one Most High, produced one snake. and the one snake was greater than all the snakes of Egypt. compare with:

Exodus 15:1
“Who is like you, O Lord, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?

I'm just not convinced that Ashtoreth, Chemosh, Molech, Baal, crystals, totems or whatever are real supernatural entities. Like Elijah's challenge on the mountain. Baal did nothing because Baal has no power, because Baal doesn't exist. Like Vol on that Star Trek episode after Scottie blasted it. Just a big dragon head carved out of a rock. I have seen NOTHING to show me they are real. The snake trick by the Egyptian magicians was just that, a trick, science, 'secret arts'. God's snake was real. Please note that I'm not addressing sorcery. That's of Satan. This thread doesn't seem to be about Satan.

you ever been to our nations capitol? very little statues or paintings honoring biblical heroes like Jesus, Moses or Elijah, but they have lots and lots and i mean lots of statues and paintings of greek and roman gods. the EU building is modeled after the tower of babel, giant statue of Shiva in front of the hadron collider. someone thinks these gods are significant.

I grew up just outside of DC, seen all that, like Mars at the Capital entrance, but they are just statues and paintings and weird sculptures, not supernatural beings with any power, and I've never seen anyone bowing down and praying to them, except a few weirdos from Georgetown or Bethesda maybe.

I can't answer the original question that started this thread for sure, but it seems to me to be rhetorical somehow.

 

[jaybird88]

Yes, according to all the above verses I quoted earlier, which you did not read! So, I cut out the context (you can go back to the original post I made, or for that matter, read these quotes in the Bible, to see what they say.

An idol WAS a god, to the ancient Near East people! When Rachel left her father’s house, she stole the “gods” a word that is used interchangeably with the word “idols” in this passage below.

”Now I understand that you have gone away because you longed desperately for your father’s house. Yet why did you steal my gods?”31 “I left secretly because I was afraid!” Jacob replied to Laban. “I thought you might take your daughters away from me by force. 32 Whoever has taken your gods will be put to death! In the presence of our relatives identify whatever is yours and take it.” (Now Jacob did not know that Rachel had stolen them.)
33 So Laban entered Jacob’s tent, and Leah’s tent, and the tent of the two female servants, but he did not find the idols. Now Rachel had taken the idols and put them inside her camel’s saddle and sat on them.) Laban searched the whole tent, but did not find them. 35 Rachel said to her father, “Don’t be angry, my lord. I cannot stand up in your presence because I am having my period.” So he searched thoroughly, but did not find the idols.” Gen. 31:30-35

So, yes, those little carved pieces of wood, and stone, or representations in silver or gold for the rich people were “gods!!” There were no “small but real gods.” There literally is only one God, the rest is all made up lies.

And the people worshiped them, because they could not see the living and true God. If you knew anything about Near East history, you would know that each house had its own gods to worship. That is what God warned them about! Why? Because gods made of wood, gold, silver or stone are not alive! They do not hear, see, or listen. They do nothing despite worship and prayers.

Very sad that you persist in this polytheism. There is no big God, YHWH, and then some lesser gods. What there is, is one God, the living God who created everything, and nothing else but the stupidity of people who worship dead pieces of wood and stone which are idols, not gods. And totally worthless!

Idol = god

thats just so strange, i would never in a million years stand up in front of a group of people, set little carved pieces of wood on the ground, and proclaim myself greater than them, everyone would think i i was nuts. yet according to this idea we are to believe the Most High did exactly that?? sorry but i believe our Almighty Father is above comparing Himself to little carved pieces of wood.

 

[jaybird88]

I'm just not convinced that Ashtoreth, Chemosh, Molech, Baal, crystals, totems or whatever are real supernatural entities. Like Elijah's challenge on the mountain. Baal did nothing because Baal has no power, because Baal doesn't exist. Like Vol on that Star Trek episode after Scottie blasted it. Just a big dragon head carved out of a rock. I have seen NOTHING to show me they are real. The snake trick by the Egyptian magicians was just that, a trick, science, 'secret arts'. God's snake was real. Please note that I'm not addressing sorcery. That's of Satan. This thread doesn't seem to be about Satan.

what makes little sense is that so many people would all wake up one day, start making idols to beings that didnt exist. and whats even crazier is that so many nations around the world, that didnt know each other, started doing this around the same time.

I grew up just outside of DC, seen all that, like Mars at the Capital entrance, but they are just statues and paintings and weird sculptures, not supernatural beings with any power, and I've never seen anyone bowing down and praying to them, except a few weirdos from Georgetown or Bethesda maybe.

i know, probable just a funny coincidence that seems to keep popping up over and over and over.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Children of God are Gods. We are children of God.

Demonic teaching there.

Careful friend Blaspheme of the Holy Ghost is not forgiven to men, in this life or the next one to come. Calling that which is TRUTH demonic is blaspheme.

Psa_82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

So i say that and you say it is demonic. Do you then say Scriptures which teach the exact same thing is demonic too? Or do you lack knowledge of the TRUTH and therefore you only think it is demonic?

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Maybe we all would be in unity if we all used the Hebrew to English bible?

Possible?

We all would be in unity, if this generation did not deem the KJV unfit. For 400+ years There was ONLY one Word of God for the English speaking people of the World, that was in unity. But satan is the author of confusion, and has came up with hundreds of different versions of the Bible in order to take UNITY away from the Church Body, to the point it is almost impossible today to even have a Bible Study without arguments entailing from different translations. Therefore who participates in group Bible Studies today?
400+ years there was only ONE Word of God, but not so today. Confusion reigns in the last days. satan succeeded in causing division among the Church Body.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[tourist]

We all would be in unity, if this generation did not deem the KJV unfit. For 400+ years There was ONLY one Word of God for the English speaking people of the World, that was in unity. But satan is the author of confusion, and has came up with hundreds of different versions of the Bible in order to take UNITY away from the Church Body, to the point it is almost impossible today to even have a Bible Study without arguments entailing from different translations. Therefore who participates in group Bible Studies today?
400+ years there was only ONE Word of God, but not so today. Confusion reigns in the last days. satan succeeded in causing division among the Church Body.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

This world has not been in unity since Cain killed Abel.

 

[stonesoffire]

This world has not been in unity since Cain killed Abel.

I think it goes further back than Cain and jealousy-murder.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I'm just not convinced that Ashtoreth, Chemosh, Molech, Baal, crystals, totems or whatever are real supernatural entities.

Since demons and evil spirits are "real supernatural entities" what prevents you from accepting that as factual? The Bible gives us some very clear glimpses into the evil spirit world, and all false gods are called "devils" or demons in Scripture. Behind all idolatry we see the hand of Satan and his evil spirits, and they are very real.

 

[Nehemiah6]

This world has not been in unity since Cain killed Abel.

He was not talking about "the world" (which is an unbelieving world) but Christians. God wants all Christians to be united in spirit, but Satan sows divisions among Christians. One of his most effective tools has been to divide Christians over Bible versions.

 

[stonesoffire]

We all would be in unity, if this generation did not deem the KJV unfit. For 400+ years There was ONLY one Word of God for the English speaking people of the World, that was in unity. But satan is the author of confusion, and has came up with hundreds of different versions of the Bible in order to take UNITY away from the Church Body, to the point it is almost impossible today to even have a Bible Study without arguments entailing from different translations. Therefore who participates in group Bible Studies today?
400+ years there was only ONE Word of God, but not so today. Confusion reigns in the last days. satan succeeded in causing division among the Church Body.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

I am by no means Hebrew roots by saying what I'm about to post here.

The scriptures were originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic. But, language is not the only the difficulty, its the very different culture that they are written from.

I was taught that the church is like a blip in time. That this will wrap up and then Israel and their prophetic words will pick up again.

So we've interpreted scripture with a western mindset, different than intended.

Paul, his revelation, is for the body of Christ, coming from Messiahs mercy to the world.

So the KJV is good with the Strongs that has put all words of Hebrew together with English, including the roots, but perfect? I would say not. My opinion would be to use many versions, and compare...knowing Holy Spirit is teacher.

I watched a video recently that was just worship, until the leader began to get revelation truth. Not of study, she said it was all new to her.

It was the same things I've posted on the not by works thread. A sign to me I was hearing too.

So....do we have to have a perfect version? No, just the perfect One teaching.

He's the key to bring unity.

 

[jaybird88]

Careful friend Blaspheme of the Holy Ghost is not forgiven to men, in this life or the next one to come. Calling that which is TRUTH demonic is blaspheme.

Psa_82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

So i say that and you say it is demonic. Do you then say Scriptures which teach the exact same thing is demonic too? Or do you lack knowledge of the TRUTH and therefore you only think it is demonic?

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

i think his understanding of that scripture is gods does not mean gods but rather it refers to common people like us. like the way we refer to a group of people as a group of gods, heck i do that all the time.

 

[Nehemiah6]

what makes little sense is that so many people would all wake up one day, start making idols to beings that didnt exist. and whats even crazier is that so many nations around the world, that didnt know each other, started doing this around the same time.

It seems that no matter what the subject, you have a serious misunderstanding. Evil spirits do exists and false gods are in fact embodiments of evil spirits. Idolatry began at the tower of Babel, and when the people were scattered by God, they took their idolatry to every part of the world. So there are parallels within idolatry all around the world. A good example is the worship of snakes -- called Ophiolatreia.

 

[jaybird88]

It seems that no matter what the subject, you have a serious misunderstanding. Evil spirits do exists and false gods are in fact embodiments of evil spirits. Idolatry began at the tower of Babel, and when the people were scattered by God, they took their idolatry to every part of the world. So there are parallels within idolatry all around the world. A good example is the worship of snakes -- called Ophiolatreia.

what am i misunderstanding? that these gods dont exist yet at the same time they are evil (existing) spirits? so basically they exist but they dont exist, are you sure its me that has the misunderstanding?

 

[DevotiontoBible]

what am i misunderstanding? that these gods dont exist yet at the same time they are evil (existing) spirits? so basically they exist but they dont exist, are you sure its me that has the misunderstanding?

You are misunderstanding that they are really not a god.

...We know that the false gods in this world don’t really exist and that no god exists except the one God.
1 Corinthians 8:4 GW
https://bible.com/bible/70/1co.8.4.GW

 

[know1]

In the book of Genesis, God lays out some laws. One of which is, everything produces after its/his kind.
Whether it's a plant, animal, bird, fish, or human, all reproduce another after their own kind.
And not only do they produce another physical likeness after their own kind, but they also act like them.
In the OT we have many examples saying, as the mother was, so is the daughter, referring to the spirit of the mother that got passed down to the daughter.

Eze 16:44 Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use this proverb against thee, saying, As is the mother, so is her daughter.

In the new testament we have Jesus telling the Pharisees that they are like their father the devil.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

One thing this says is, as the spirit is in us, so are we. We are not only like them, we ARE them, or rather, they ARE US.

Mat 12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
Mat 12:23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
Mat 12:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
Mar 3:23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
Mar 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Mar 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
Mar 3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

Jesus calls a spirit of satan that He cast out, satan.
John wraps it up saying the same thing.

1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

The point of all this is to show that God produces after His own kind by reproduces Himself, making carbon copies of Himself, through Jesus.
Jesus is the power of God.
What kind of Spirit have we received?
The Spirit of POWER, of love, and of a sound mind.
AS THE SPIRIT IS, SO ARE WE.
Through the knowledge of Jesus and the promises of God, we are made partakers of His divine nature, able to do the same good works Jesus did, through faith in God to be faithful to preform His word.
The almighty God, reproducing Himself after His kind, creates children or little gods through them that believe.
As Father is so are we. As Jesus is so are we. As the Holy Spirit is, so are we.
The more time and energy we spend with God, the more we become like Him in every way.

 

[Musicus]

Since demons and evil spirits are "real supernatural entities" what prevents you from accepting that as factual? The Bible gives us some very clear glimpses into the evil spirit world, and all false gods are called "devils" or demons in Scripture. Behind all idolatry we see the hand of Satan and his evil spirits, and they are very real.

Demons and other evil spirits are real, I know that, but most of what I started to list are figments of the imagination. There are real demons behind their creation, no doubt, and they laugh. I laugh sometimes at it too. How 'bout this one:
Abaangui Guarani A god whose huge nose became the moon.

 

[jaybird88]

You are misunderstanding that they are really not a god.

...We know that the false gods in this world don’t really exist and that no god exists except the one God.
1 Corinthians 8:4 GW
https://bible.com/bible/70/1co.8.4.GW

we know there is only one Most High, just as the 1 Cor passage says, im talking about these gods that the scripture talks about. the ones we are told not to worship.

Exodus 15:1
“Who is like you, O Lord, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?

these guys, who are they?

 

[DevotiontoBible]

we know there is only one Most High, just as the 1 Cor passage says, im talking about these gods that the scripture talks about. the ones we are told not to worship.

Exodus 15:1
“Who is like you, O Lord, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?

these guys, who are they?

They are fake but people treat them as real. Paul says they are not gods. Understand that the Greek has no lower case lettering. There is no god/God difference in the Greek.

 

[jaybird88]

They are fake but people treat them as real. Paul says they are not gods. Understand that the Greek has no lower case lettering. There is no god/God difference in the Greek.

so Exodus is comparing the greatness of the Most High to non existent beings which would be nothing, greater than nothing? my own greatness is not so great but even it would be greater than nothing. being greater than nothing would be kind of an insult wouldnt you think?
and btw way Paul is saying the idols are fake.