Not By Works
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Funny thing is they were pals in the past, PMing one another, then he is a "nice guy," we should "lend him an ear" &c...blah blah blah. This is why the biblical stance, not compromise, is important. The guy sows discord, false doctrine, false gospel, calls others lost, is sanctimonious, brags on self, blasphemes Christ and the Gospel.
What does Christ tell us to do about these false teachers who sow discord according to NT doctrine?
Nothing against BillG as far as him personally, just the stance. I see nowhere in Scripture we are to patronize these clowns, or give them an ear. No need to become complicit via bargaining with them. Imagine this dude in a church, he'd be excommunicated from any solid, sound assembly.
What does Christ tell us to do about these false teachers who sow discord according to NT doctrine?
Nothing against BillG as far as him personally, just the stance. I see nowhere in Scripture we are to patronize these clowns, or give them an ear. No need to become complicit via bargaining with them. Imagine this dude in a church, he'd be excommunicated from any solid, sound assembly.
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You're anyone with eyes. How do you not see it? He said we are to remove stumbling blocks from the body so 'little ones who believe in him' do not stumble and be 'cast into the eternal fire'-Matthew 18:6-9. He taught that a person who believes in him can be led astray and go to the lake of fire. Jesus did not teach once saved always saved.
But what does it matter? What matters is that you are saved and ready to meet Jesus as evidenced by a changed life. That's what counts. Whether the person who meets Jesus with a dead faith was never born again or lost his salvation does not matter. Either way that person will not inherit the kingdom. So what does it matter? Once saved always saved does not change the truth that you have to have works when Jesus comes back or you show yourself to be an unbeliever and you will not be saved from the eternal fire.
But what does it matter? What matters is that you are saved and ready to meet Jesus as evidenced by a changed life. That's what counts. Whether the person who meets Jesus with a dead faith was never born again or lost his salvation does not matter. Either way that person will not inherit the kingdom. So what does it matter? Once saved always saved does not change the truth that you have to have works when Jesus comes back or you show yourself to be an unbeliever and you will not be saved from the eternal fire.
R
Right, the fruits of the Spirit do not provide salvation. They show you have it.
Only branches that are in Christ produce fruit. Apart from him we can do nothing. Dead branches are picked up and thrown in the fire. That's why we have to have fruitful works when he comes back. We need to be in him ahead of time so we will be counted among those who go to the right at his return and not to the left and into the fire. The fruit of the kingdom shows us to be in him and safe from damnation.
Produce the fruit of the kingdom so you can be sure you really are in him and prepared to meet him.
Only branches that are in Christ produce fruit. Apart from him we can do nothing. Dead branches are picked up and thrown in the fire. That's why we have to have fruitful works when he comes back. We need to be in him ahead of time so we will be counted among those who go to the right at his return and not to the left and into the fire. The fruit of the kingdom shows us to be in him and safe from damnation.
Produce the fruit of the kingdom so you can be sure you really are in him and prepared to meet him.
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i know you like to use one verse at a time
but the whole bible works in harmony ralph
praise God for opening my eyes
in context
its speaking to those who arent His sheep offending His sheep and the seriousness of these offenses
what does He do to His sheep ralph?
He chastens them....
they dont go into hellfire
what happens when His sheep go astray?
finish the verse
He goes to collect them
an unbeliever - lets say he uses his hand to punch one who is born of God...
ohhhh its better if he were to cut his hand off
or looks upon a daughter of God with lust
he would be better to pluck his eye out
but if you are His
He will chasten you
and come to grab you
one way or another
you fail again to understand context
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R
You are proving my point. You have not heard Jesus' teaching from Matthew 25 so it is aberrant to you. And you're not being told it in the church because it can only be seen by the church as a works gospel. But I showed you it is not that at all. Works show if we are branches connected to Christ or not. Only the fruitful branches get to stay in the vine. Dead ones go into the fire. They show they are not 'in him'.
R
There is a difference between sinning and leaving faith in Christ altogether. Sinning saints don't go to the fire. Former saints do.
What does it matter anyway, NoName? Whether the person never believed or lost his salvation he's still going to be lost when Jesus comes back. Once saved always saved doesn't make it so you don't have to have works to be saved when Jesus comes back. That's the point I hope you get. That's the important one. You can think what you want about once saved always saved. Just be sure to believe, and be fruitful as a result, so you can be saved when he returns.
What does it matter anyway, NoName? Whether the person never believed or lost his salvation he's still going to be lost when Jesus comes back. Once saved always saved doesn't make it so you don't have to have works to be saved when Jesus comes back. That's the point I hope you get. That's the important one. You can think what you want about once saved always saved. Just be sure to believe, and be fruitful as a result, so you can be saved when he returns.
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