The King James Bible

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Joseppi

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The Holy Spirit does not deny his own word. You are now claiming "Thus Saith The Lord" falsely. That is very serious indeed.
More drama. Go ahead get serious you can't make God respect books with lies in them.
 

trofimus

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You get the truth from the Holy Bible.
I have yet to get any of you Greek translators to present a truth that isn't already present in the Holy Bible in English.
I have no idea why you think I am a Greek translator. I just read the NT in Greek (and some portions of Septuagint).

I also never said that there is something in Greek that cannot be translated or somehow properly illustrated in English.

The only thing I am saying is that:
a) the KJV has quite a lot of minor errors in its NT text and some big changes in its OT text
b) Its not perfect and there is no basis for "KJV is truth and all other translations are corrupted" claims
 

hornetguy

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How dramatic you sound, go home, close the door and cry a river. God isn't going to defend your phony bibles.
No wonder you didn't put your age on your member ID area... I think we've all been arguing this with a young teen with "google" capability.

That would explain a lot, actually.
 

Joseppi

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Please, PLEASE show me any kind of quote, or even indication that the translators of one of the newer versions thought that God's words had changed...

You make so many astoundingly false accusations... does fabrication of lies come naturally to you, or do you have to work at it?

Good grief, your blind translation worship amazes me.
Your translators don't believe a Holy Bible exists on earth in any form. You know why? They'd be out of a job if they told the truth.
 

hornetguy

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Your translators don't believe a Holy Bible exists on earth in any form. You know why? They'd be out of a job if they told the truth.
you just proved my previous post...

I'm waiting for the "I'm rubber, and you're glue...." post next....
 

Joseppi

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Actually, He did not.

But let us play your game. Where were His words preserved before 1611? You said "for all generations".
That's obvious. The translators gathered all the known texts of scripture and the Holy Ghost rejected the false ones, established truths that scholars thought were false and published the Holy Bible with fear under the watchful eye of the king God used to make them do thfir job.
And when the printer got casual with the printing that same king threw him in jail.
 

Joseppi

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I have no idea why you think I am a Greek translator. I just read the NT in Greek (and some portions of Septuagint).

I also never said that there is something in Greek that cannot be translated or somehow properly illustrated in English.

The only thing I am saying is that:
a) the KJV has quite a lot of minor errors in its NT text and some big changes in its OT text
b) Its not perfect and there is no basis for "KJV is truth and all other translations are corrupted" claims
I don't know from Adam, but you seem to think you can be confident challenging the Holy Bible.
 

John146

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Your translators don't believe a Holy Bible exists on earth in any form. You know why? They'd be out of a job if they told the truth.
Have you ever heard a preacher tell their congregation the truth?

"Hey guys, I'm using the NASB this morning. It's not the word of God, just a translation filled with many errors."
 

Joseppi

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No wonder you didn't put your age on your member ID area... I think we've all been arguing this with a young teen with "google" capability.

That would explain a lot, actually.
Assume whatever you like you can't succeed in any attack against the Holy Bible.
And you can't google a defense of the modern bibles either.
And I simply trust God and the Holy Ghost always helps me against all the phony bibles and the lies they gender.
 

Dino246

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How dramatic you sound, go home, close the door and cry a river. God isn't going to defend your phony bibles.
Joseppi, I'd like to introduce you to a biblical passage that seems to have escaped your attention completely:

Galatians 5:22-26
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

No amount of (alleged) knowledge will atone for your carnal disposition. If you claim salvation through Christ and knowledge of God through the Bible, you must submit to the cleansing work of His Spirit or be treated as an unbeliever.
 

Joseppi

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you just proved my previous post...

I'm waiting for the "I'm rubber, and you're glue...." post next....
I think you need to get serious instead of posing dramatically as if for an audience ignorant of scripture.
 

trofimus

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Have you ever heard a preacher tell their congregation the truth?

"Hey guys, I'm using the NASB this morning. It's not the word of God, just a translation filled with many errors."
Its not about saying or not saying things from preaching pulpit. Facts are facts. Every Bible print is a work of men, but the Holy Spirit can make it alive in our hearts.

Of course, some translation are more suitable for public readings and some are more suitable for personal study.
 
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Joseppi

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Actually, He did not.
Got any scriptunotthat agrees with your pompous claim?
I bet you are merely rationalizing.
The word of God is settled in heaven.
Can you admit that simple unadulterated truth?
 

trofimus

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Got any scriptunotthat agrees with your pompous claim?
I bet you are merely rationalizing.
The word of God is settled in heaven.
Can you admit that simple unadulterated truth?
Proofs are always positive.

That means you must prove He said something. I cannot prove He did not say something.
 

Nehemiah6

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I am challenging the medieval KJV version to be perfect.
1. "Medieval" was from the 5th to the 15th century. Since the KJV is from the 17th century, your allegation is false.

2. Also if you wish to have an updated KJV, all you have to do is look. The King James 2000 Bible should be quite adequate.

3. As to "perfect" the Authorized Version was meant to be the best of the English translations in use at that time, and after its publication it became the Authorized Version, and also practically the sole Bible of English-speakers and English-readers for over 300 years. Every major Bible study tool, every major Bible commentary, every major systematic theology used the KJB as the Word of God.

4. Could there be further improvements to this venerable and venerated Bible? Absolutely. But only if the textual critics totally abandon their nonsensical view of the "oldest manuscripts", and make the effort to collate ALL existing manuscripts to determine the Majority Text. That has not been done, and will NEVER be done as long as textual scholars idolize Codex Vaticanus (Codex B) and Codex Sinaiticus (Codex Aleph). Since these two are among THE WORST manuscripts in existence, they would have to be set aside completely.
 

trofimus

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1. "Medieval" was from the 5th to the 15th century. Since the KJV is from the 17th century, your allegation is false.
Ok.

2. Also if you wish to have an updated KJV, all you have to do is look. The King James 2000 Bible should be quite adequate.
I do not think that the KJV is a basis that should be just "updated".

3. As to "perfect" the Authorized Version was meant to be the best of the English translations in use at that time, and after its publication it became the Authorized Version, and also practically the sole Bible of English-speakers and English-readers for over 300 years. Every major Bible study tool, every major Bible commentary, every major systematic theology used the KJB as the Word of God.
300 years is nothing in comparison for example to Vulgate or Septuagint. Also other reformation translations lasted for long (Luther Bible in Germany, Bible kralická in my country...).

4. Could there be further improvements to this...
and make the effort to collate ALL existing manuscripts to determine the Majority Text.[/B] That has not been done, and will NEVER be done...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editio_Critica_Maior

Nestlé aland 28 has catholic epistles based on editio critica maior, already.
 

SovereignGrace

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The Holy Bible says that the words of Jesus are spirit and life, and that his words shall never pass away.
That Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.

Do the above truths agree with the stated unbelief of modern bible scholars that say they believe that God's words have been changed and so they are going to help God find his words?

And these words that are spirit and life were written centuries before english was even a language. They were written in greek.
 

SovereignGrace

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Trofimus said to me....I hope you...will stop using the KJV.

The modern bibles are not scripture and the Holy Ghost doesn't honor them. And no their isn't any cult of kjvonlyism. Its a strawman accusation designed to put blame on anyone opposing the lies and false doctrines promoted by use if the corruption found in modern bibles.

I'm going to tell you straight because that's what God has asked me to do.
Rubbish. God never told you to become a part of a bible worshipping cult. KJVOonlyism IS a cult. Period. End of story.