All of your 12 points hinge on the existence of there actually being Jews to fulfill these events. This is the sand your theory is based on. You would have to first prove the existence of a population of scriptural Jews before pushing your 12 points. Since the very existence of this population existing today is rather suspect, your argument becomes moot.
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It would appear that either (a) you have failed to study Ezekiel thoroughly and properly or (b) you have decided to focus on their being ashamed and satisfied yourself with that exclusively. So now let's look at some earlier passages in Ezekiel to see that the shaming and judgment of Israel is only one part of Ezekiel's prophecy. I will not even get into the restoration of the land and the erection of the temple.
JUDGMENT ON ISRAEL FOR EXTREME INIQUITY
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations... Now is the end come upon thee, and I will send mine anger upon thee, and will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense upon thee all thine abominations... Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not. (Ezek 5:8; 7:3; 9:9).
ISRAEL TO BE SCATTERED, THEN REGATHERED, REDEEMED & RESTORED
Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, thy brethren, even thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, and all the house of Israel wholly, are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, Get you far from the LORD: unto us is this land given in possession. Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come. (Ezek 11:14-16)
THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL TO RECEIVE THE LAND OF ISRAEL IN THE FUTURE
Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel. (Ezek 11:17)
ISRAEL TO BE PURGED AND REGENERATED
And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence. And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God. (Ezek 11:18-20).
JUDGMENT ON ISRAEL FOR EXTREME INIQUITY
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations... Now is the end come upon thee, and I will send mine anger upon thee, and will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense upon thee all thine abominations... Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not. (Ezek 5:8; 7:3; 9:9).
ISRAEL TO BE SCATTERED, THEN REGATHERED, REDEEMED & RESTORED
Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, thy brethren, even thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, and all the house of Israel wholly, are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, Get you far from the LORD: unto us is this land given in possession. Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come. (Ezek 11:14-16)
THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL TO RECEIVE THE LAND OF ISRAEL IN THE FUTURE
Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel. (Ezek 11:17)
ISRAEL TO BE PURGED AND REGENERATED
And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence. And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God. (Ezek 11:18-20).
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Ezekiel was already being fulfilled when Paul wrote to the Corinthians and quotes directly from the prophet
2 Cor 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
A comparison between Ezekiel and Corinthians shows that Paul is virtually repeating the prophets words and applying them to the Gentiles:
Ezekiel 37:26-27 I will make a covenant of peace with them. It shall be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will set them in their land and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in their midst forevermore. My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2 Cor 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
What is significant about Paul's use of Ezekiel here is prior to the above is the regathering of Israel under on stick - bringing the tribes together as one:
Ezek 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
Ezek 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
Now if what Paul is stating from Ezekiel's prophecy is happening at Corinth in the 1st century AD "they shall be my people" then it must follow that the previous actions were already under way "I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen".
Ezek 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
And this is exactly what we find happening in James' letter:
James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Thus in the 1st century AD we have the 12 tribes being called together to be one "stick" and the Gentiles as "I will be their God, and they shall be my people" in the body of Christ.
Ezekiel 37 is one continuous prophecy of the "resurrection":
Ezek 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
Ezek 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
Ezek 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
In Israelite speak or poetic/metaphoric language being separated from God and or the land was to be dead or in the grave.
What Ezekiel is describing is bringing the living diaspora back into fellowship with him from exilic death and their graves - not a bringing up of decomposed bodies out of the ground.
2 Cor 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
A comparison between Ezekiel and Corinthians shows that Paul is virtually repeating the prophets words and applying them to the Gentiles:
Ezekiel 37:26-27 I will make a covenant of peace with them. It shall be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will set them in their land and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in their midst forevermore. My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2 Cor 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
What is significant about Paul's use of Ezekiel here is prior to the above is the regathering of Israel under on stick - bringing the tribes together as one:
Ezek 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
Ezek 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
Now if what Paul is stating from Ezekiel's prophecy is happening at Corinth in the 1st century AD "they shall be my people" then it must follow that the previous actions were already under way "I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen".
Ezek 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
And this is exactly what we find happening in James' letter:
James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Thus in the 1st century AD we have the 12 tribes being called together to be one "stick" and the Gentiles as "I will be their God, and they shall be my people" in the body of Christ.
Ezekiel 37 is one continuous prophecy of the "resurrection":
Ezek 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
Ezek 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
Ezek 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
In Israelite speak or poetic/metaphoric language being separated from God and or the land was to be dead or in the grave.
What Ezekiel is describing is bringing the living diaspora back into fellowship with him from exilic death and their graves - not a bringing up of decomposed bodies out of the ground.
Since Paul was writing before AD 70, and Israel was scattered to the four at that time (AD 70), how in the world could the prophecies of Ezekiel be fulfilled at that time? Did you notice that God promises THE LAND again and again in Ezekiel, but they lost the land for about 20 centuries, and even now the nation-state of Israel has only a fraction of the land. Once again, you are showing a very poor understanding on Ezekiel's prophecies. Either that or you desperately wish to dismiss Ezekiel since it contradicts your ideas.
There is nothing in that portion of scripture that instructs us ceremonial laws as shadows used in the period of time of Kings has not been restored to previous time period, at the time of reformation.
The veil is rent .
We are in the last days We await the promised eternal land not the temporal In Jerusalem . That temporal land is already here who would seek by faith something already seen? It’s what the pagan nations of the world seek after walking by sight as if the kingdom of God came by observation..
I would think the Christian that recognizes Christ has come in the temporal flesh would not try and suggest he must come again for another demonstration as in crucifying him over and over, as if one demonstration was not enough to keep the veil rent.
The Holy Ghost this signifying,( to make known by relating it to something already known) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure(parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, “imposed on them” until the time of reformation. Heb 9:8
When looking at the portion above. At the time of reformation the Leviticus priesthood is passed on to the Jew and Gentile, as one Kingdom of Priest one bride sent out with the gospel of salvation as Ambassadors sent from a foreign land (the new heavens and earth) for Him.
2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
I would ask what would be the hope of mending the rent veil? Is it a sign required?
The veil is rent .
We are in the last days We await the promised eternal land not the temporal In Jerusalem . That temporal land is already here who would seek by faith something already seen? It’s what the pagan nations of the world seek after walking by sight as if the kingdom of God came by observation..
I would think the Christian that recognizes Christ has come in the temporal flesh would not try and suggest he must come again for another demonstration as in crucifying him over and over, as if one demonstration was not enough to keep the veil rent.
The Holy Ghost this signifying,( to make known by relating it to something already known) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure(parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, “imposed on them” until the time of reformation. Heb 9:8
When looking at the portion above. At the time of reformation the Leviticus priesthood is passed on to the Jew and Gentile, as one Kingdom of Priest one bride sent out with the gospel of salvation as Ambassadors sent from a foreign land (the new heavens and earth) for Him.
2Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
I would ask what would be the hope of mending the rent veil? Is it a sign required?
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Well that is a good point, but then that begs several questions. Why do the jews still perform animal sacrifices, if they are not performing their animal sacrifice in the temple, nor according to the regulations of the Torah, nor done by the Levites? Why do they not restore the temple? Why do they not restore and cleanse the altar? Why do they not follow the commands of God in the Torah? Why are the Levites illegitimate? Why are their rabbis illegitimate?
If then they perform illegitimate sacrifices in illegitimate places on illegitimate altars by the hand of illegitimate lowborn and mix-breed men; are they not in total transgression of the Torah? What is the proscription in the Torah and the Prophets for such transgressions?
Who is the legitimate King of the Jews? Who is the legitimate High Priest? Where is the legitimate Temple? What is the legitimate sacrifice?
Ultimately all these questions a pointed to one point even; why do these people stubbornly seek sacrifices and priests and temples and not believe in the God Most High? Why do these people seek after sacrifices and not rather obey the Lord?
Truly truly it is said by the prophet; to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken is better than the fat of rams for rebellion is as witchcraft and stubbornness is as idolatry, because you have rejected the word of the Lord, he has also rejected thee.
If then they perform illegitimate sacrifices in illegitimate places on illegitimate altars by the hand of illegitimate lowborn and mix-breed men; are they not in total transgression of the Torah? What is the proscription in the Torah and the Prophets for such transgressions?
Who is the legitimate King of the Jews? Who is the legitimate High Priest? Where is the legitimate Temple? What is the legitimate sacrifice?
Ultimately all these questions a pointed to one point even; why do these people stubbornly seek sacrifices and priests and temples and not believe in the God Most High? Why do these people seek after sacrifices and not rather obey the Lord?
Truly truly it is said by the prophet; to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken is better than the fat of rams for rebellion is as witchcraft and stubbornness is as idolatry, because you have rejected the word of the Lord, he has also rejected thee.
You said “Christians are included as fellow Israelites.”- exactly. What changed that they are now included? God switched from physical to spiritual in the New Testament. Now (in the last days) things are fulfilled spiritually. The physical things in the Old Testament only represented the real way (spiritual way) to come with Christ. “These were only a shadow of the things to come, the reality however is found in Christ.” For example...
Old Testament = physical lamb sacrifice.
New Testament = spiritual Lamb (of God) sacrificed one time for all people.
Therefore the animal sacrifices of the future are spiritual not physical.
Old Testament = physical lamb sacrifice.
New Testament = spiritual Lamb (of God) sacrificed one time for all people.
Therefore the animal sacrifices of the future are spiritual not physical.
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Hello Bibleguy,
Thanks for the invite here. My prayer is that the scriptures presented here will help you.
What I will do here however as you have invited me is to honestly examine what you are saying here to see if the scriptures you provide support your belief that animal sacrifices will once more be a part of the Christian faith in the NEW Covenant. Then by God's help go through the scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of these scriptures. I will address each of your 12 points separately in each post sent here.
PART 1/12
Let's examine your premise in this thread and that is you believe the scriptures you provide here shows that Christians will once again practice animal sacrifices.....
1. A. Dt. 30:1-8 is not yet fulfilled.
Thanks for the invite here. My prayer is that the scriptures presented here will help you.
What I will do here however as you have invited me is to honestly examine what you are saying here to see if the scriptures you provide support your belief that animal sacrifices will once more be a part of the Christian faith in the NEW Covenant. Then by God's help go through the scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of these scriptures. I will address each of your 12 points separately in each post sent here.
PART 1/12
Let's examine your premise in this thread and that is you believe the scriptures you provide here shows that Christians will once again practice animal sacrifices.....
1. A. Dt. 30:1-8 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Dt. 30:1-8 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.
Your argument here is that Deuteronomy 30:1-8 are not yet fulfilled and are future correct? Let's examine your claims here to see if this is true or not.
Deuteronomy 30:1-8 is in refrence to the covenant of blessings and the curses outlined in Deuteronomy 28:1-68 for obedience and disobediance to God's LAW as the children of Israel were entering into the promised land and fighting the nations around them (Deuteronomy 29:1-29; 29:9-12; 14-15).
Deuteronomy 29:20-29 is talking about the curse of those who serve other God's would be cast into other lands. These scriptures set the scene for Deuteronomy 30:1-8.
Now we have the context let's look at the scriptures....
Deuteronomy 30
1, And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come on you (What things? curses for disobedience Deut 29), the blessing and the curse, which I have set before you, and you shall call them to mind among all the nations, where the LORD your God has driven you,
Referring to Deuteronomy 29:25-28 being driven out to another land through the curses of disobedience...
2, And shall return to the LORD your God, and shall obey his voice according to all that I command you this day, you and your children, with all your heart, and with all your soul;
3, That then the LORD your God will turn your captivity, and have compassion on you, and will return and gather you from ALL the nations, where the LORD your God has scattered you.
4, If any of your be driven out to the outmost parts of heaven, from there will the LORD your God gather you, and from there will he fetch you:
5, And the LORD your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it; and he will do you good, and multiply you above your fathers.
6, And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart, and the heart of your seed, to love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, that you may live.
7, And the LORD your God will put all these curses on your enemies, and on them that hate you, which persecuted you.
8, And you shall return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command you this day
Now a key point here. ALL of Deuteronomy 28-30 are presented as a whole in relation to the blessings and curses for OBEDIENCE or DISOBEDINECE of God's LAW.
NOTE: At that particular point in time when the covenant of blessings and curses were given to God's people EVERYTHING outlined in it was indeed future as it was only just given to God's people. They had not been disobedient or fully obedient to God's LAW as a people at that particular point in time.
From that day forward however everything in this covenant was to apply to God's professed people. Deut 30:9-20 closes off the covenant of blessings and curses outlined in Deuteronomy Cahapters 28-30. Deuteronomy 30:1-8 should not be read separately to Chapters 28-30 as they are part of the same topic.
Deuteronomy 30:1-8 does not even mention the restoration of priestly/Levitical/and animal sacrifices
Blessings of OBEDIENCE continued... for returning to the Lord from the lands of captivity....
9, And the LORD your God will make you plenteous in every work of your hand, in the fruit of your body, and in the fruit of your cattle, and in the fruit of your land, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over you for good, as he rejoiced over your fathers:
10, If you shall listen to the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul.
11, For this commandment which I command you this day, it is not hidden from you, neither is it far off.
12, It is not in heaven, that you should say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it to us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13, Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it to us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14, But the word is very near to you, in your mouth, and in your heart, that you may do it.
15, See, I have set before you this day life and good, and death and evil;
16, In that I command you this day to love the LORD your God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that you may live and multiply: and the LORD your God shall bless you in the land where you go to possess it.
17, But if your heart turn away, so that you will not hear, but shall be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
18, I denounce to you this day, that you shall surely perish, and that you shall not prolong your days on the land, where you pass over Jordan to go to possess it.
19, I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both you and your seed may live:
20, That you may love the LORD your God, and that you may obey his voice, and that you may hold to him: for he is your life, and the length of your days: that you may dwell in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give the
Now you are arguing that this is all future and not yet fulfilled correct? Well my friend scripture and history both disagree with you here. As Israel was conqoured and sent to other lands for their DISOBEDIENCE against God's LAW.
Scripture references on the captivity of Israel and Judah
Assyrian captivity; conqour Israel into captivity (2 Kings 17), The reson of their captivity was for SIN or DISOBEDIENCE against God's LAW rejecting his covenant (2 Kings 17:7-16)
Babylonian captivity; conqour Israel into captivity (1 Chron 9:1; Dan 1:1-7; Jer 29:4-14; Ezra 5:12), v1 The reson of their captivity was for SIN or DISOBEDIENCE against God's LAW rejecting his covenant
Medes and Persians; conqour Babylon and take over Israel into captivity then to be released (2 Chron 36:20-23; Ezra 1:1-4; 2:1-2; Esther)
Greece and Roman empires (Daniel 8:20-24) prophecy.
History of ancient Israel and Judah (Source; wiki linked)
The Kingdom of Israel emerged as an important local power by the 10th century BCE before falling to the Neo-Assyrian Empire in 722 BCE. Israel's southern neighbor, the Kingdom of Judah, emerged in the 8th or 9th century BCE[SUP][1][/SUP] and enjoyed a period of prosperity as a client state of first the Neo-Assyrian Empire and then the Neo-Babylonian Empire before a revolt against the latter led to its destruction in 586 BCE. Following the fall of Babylon to the Achaemenid Empire under Cyrus the Great in 539 BCE, some Judean exiles returned to Jerusalem, inaugurating the formative period in the development of a distinctive Judahite identity in the province of Yehud Medinata. Yehud was absorbed into the subsequent Hellenistic kingdoms that followed the conquests of Alexander the Great, but in the 2nd century BCE the Judaeans revolted against the Seleucid Empire and created the Hasmonean kingdom. This, the last nominally independent kingdom of Judea, came to an end in 63 BCE with its conquest by Pompey of Rome. With the installation of client kingdoms under the Herodian dynasty, the Province of Judea was wracked by civil disturbances which culminated in the First Jewish–Roman War, the destruction of the Temple, the emergence of Rabbinic Judaism and
Summary: It seems that history and God's Word disagrees with your interpretation that Deuteronmy 30:1-8 referring to the blessing and curses are all future. Scripture and History both testify that these scriptures in Deuteronomy 30 have indeed been fulfilled.
All the blessings and curses are conditional on OBEDIENCE or DISOBEDIENCE. Disobedient Israel have been conqoured and sent to other lands and held captive by other nations accoding to the curse of disobedience in Deuteronomy 29:25-28.
Dueteronomy 30 does not even mention the restoration of restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial. Your first premise has fallen down and is not supported by scripture or history that animal sacrifices will be continued in the NEW Covenant.
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C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.
Your argument here is that Deuteronomy 30:1-8 are not yet fulfilled and are future correct? Let's examine your claims here to see if this is true or not.
Deuteronomy 30:1-8 is in refrence to the covenant of blessings and the curses outlined in Deuteronomy 28:1-68 for obedience and disobediance to God's LAW as the children of Israel were entering into the promised land and fighting the nations around them (Deuteronomy 29:1-29; 29:9-12; 14-15).
Deuteronomy 29:20-29 is talking about the curse of those who serve other God's would be cast into other lands. These scriptures set the scene for Deuteronomy 30:1-8.
Now we have the context let's look at the scriptures....
Deuteronomy 30
1, And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come on you (What things? curses for disobedience Deut 29), the blessing and the curse, which I have set before you, and you shall call them to mind among all the nations, where the LORD your God has driven you,
Referring to Deuteronomy 29:25-28 being driven out to another land through the curses of disobedience...
2, And shall return to the LORD your God, and shall obey his voice according to all that I command you this day, you and your children, with all your heart, and with all your soul;
3, That then the LORD your God will turn your captivity, and have compassion on you, and will return and gather you from ALL the nations, where the LORD your God has scattered you.
4, If any of your be driven out to the outmost parts of heaven, from there will the LORD your God gather you, and from there will he fetch you:
5, And the LORD your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it; and he will do you good, and multiply you above your fathers.
6, And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart, and the heart of your seed, to love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, that you may live.
7, And the LORD your God will put all these curses on your enemies, and on them that hate you, which persecuted you.
8, And you shall return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command you this day
Now a key point here. ALL of Deuteronomy 28-30 are presented as a whole in relation to the blessings and curses for OBEDIENCE or DISOBEDINECE of God's LAW.
NOTE: At that particular point in time when the covenant of blessings and curses were given to God's people EVERYTHING outlined in it was indeed future as it was only just given to God's people. They had not been disobedient or fully obedient to God's LAW as a people at that particular point in time.
From that day forward however everything in this covenant was to apply to God's professed people. Deut 30:9-20 closes off the covenant of blessings and curses outlined in Deuteronomy Cahapters 28-30. Deuteronomy 30:1-8 should not be read separately to Chapters 28-30 as they are part of the same topic.
Deuteronomy 30:1-8 does not even mention the restoration of priestly/Levitical/and animal sacrifices
Blessings of OBEDIENCE continued... for returning to the Lord from the lands of captivity....
9, And the LORD your God will make you plenteous in every work of your hand, in the fruit of your body, and in the fruit of your cattle, and in the fruit of your land, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over you for good, as he rejoiced over your fathers:
10, If you shall listen to the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul.
11, For this commandment which I command you this day, it is not hidden from you, neither is it far off.
12, It is not in heaven, that you should say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it to us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13, Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it to us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14, But the word is very near to you, in your mouth, and in your heart, that you may do it.
15, See, I have set before you this day life and good, and death and evil;
16, In that I command you this day to love the LORD your God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that you may live and multiply: and the LORD your God shall bless you in the land where you go to possess it.
17, But if your heart turn away, so that you will not hear, but shall be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
18, I denounce to you this day, that you shall surely perish, and that you shall not prolong your days on the land, where you pass over Jordan to go to possess it.
19, I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both you and your seed may live:
20, That you may love the LORD your God, and that you may obey his voice, and that you may hold to him: for he is your life, and the length of your days: that you may dwell in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give the
Now you are arguing that this is all future and not yet fulfilled correct? Well my friend scripture and history both disagree with you here. As Israel was conqoured and sent to other lands for their DISOBEDIENCE against God's LAW.
Scripture references on the captivity of Israel and Judah
Assyrian captivity; conqour Israel into captivity (2 Kings 17), The reson of their captivity was for SIN or DISOBEDIENCE against God's LAW rejecting his covenant (2 Kings 17:7-16)
Babylonian captivity; conqour Israel into captivity (1 Chron 9:1; Dan 1:1-7; Jer 29:4-14; Ezra 5:12), v1 The reson of their captivity was for SIN or DISOBEDIENCE against God's LAW rejecting his covenant
Medes and Persians; conqour Babylon and take over Israel into captivity then to be released (2 Chron 36:20-23; Ezra 1:1-4; 2:1-2; Esther)
Greece and Roman empires (Daniel 8:20-24) prophecy.
History of ancient Israel and Judah (Source; wiki linked)
The Kingdom of Israel emerged as an important local power by the 10th century BCE before falling to the Neo-Assyrian Empire in 722 BCE. Israel's southern neighbor, the Kingdom of Judah, emerged in the 8th or 9th century BCE[SUP][1][/SUP] and enjoyed a period of prosperity as a client state of first the Neo-Assyrian Empire and then the Neo-Babylonian Empire before a revolt against the latter led to its destruction in 586 BCE. Following the fall of Babylon to the Achaemenid Empire under Cyrus the Great in 539 BCE, some Judean exiles returned to Jerusalem, inaugurating the formative period in the development of a distinctive Judahite identity in the province of Yehud Medinata. Yehud was absorbed into the subsequent Hellenistic kingdoms that followed the conquests of Alexander the Great, but in the 2nd century BCE the Judaeans revolted against the Seleucid Empire and created the Hasmonean kingdom. This, the last nominally independent kingdom of Judea, came to an end in 63 BCE with its conquest by Pompey of Rome. With the installation of client kingdoms under the Herodian dynasty, the Province of Judea was wracked by civil disturbances which culminated in the First Jewish–Roman War, the destruction of the Temple, the emergence of Rabbinic Judaism and
Summary: It seems that history and God's Word disagrees with your interpretation that Deuteronmy 30:1-8 referring to the blessing and curses are all future. Scripture and History both testify that these scriptures in Deuteronomy 30 have indeed been fulfilled.
All the blessings and curses are conditional on OBEDIENCE or DISOBEDIENCE. Disobedient Israel have been conqoured and sent to other lands and held captive by other nations accoding to the curse of disobedience in Deuteronomy 29:25-28.
Dueteronomy 30 does not even mention the restoration of restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial. Your first premise has fallen down and is not supported by scripture or history that animal sacrifices will be continued in the NEW Covenant.
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Continuing on your next premise which is Isaiah 66 guarantees future restoration of Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with new moon and Sabbath observance. We should not oppose what Isaiah guarantees will occur in the future.
6. A. Is. 66 guarantees future restoration of Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with new moon and Sabbath observance.
B. We should not oppose what Isaiah guarantees will occur in the future.
Issaiah 66 is talking about the second coming and new earth and keeping a new moon and Sabbath but there is no reference to offering animal sacrifices.
Summary: No scripture presented anywhere here in Ezekiel 40-48 that says that Christians in the NEW COVENANT after the death of Jesus to which animal sacrifices and sin offerings pointed to (Shadows) will continue under the NEW Covenant.
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PART 7/12
Continuing on your next premise which is ....
(E) Old Covenant Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities are good and proper to persist into the New Covenant era (from D).
7.A. The Old Covenant is READY (Gr. "engoos", Heb. 8:13) to disappear.
B. That which is ready to disappear has NOT yet disappeared (from the meaning of "engoos").
C. The Old Covenant was still in force (as of the New-Covenant-era time of the writing of Hebrews) (from B).
D. The inauguration of the New Covenant does NOT entail termination of the Old Covenant (from C).
E. Old Covenant Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities are good and proper to persist into the New Covenant era (from D).
Ok I do not have a problem with A-D. However where I see the problem is in E. To answer this correctly however one must have a good understanding of what it is that makes up the OLD Covenant what has dissappeared and what is forever.
What laws in your view make up the Old Covenant and what where their purposes under the Old covenant?
This argument here using the word ready to dissappear in Hebrews 8:13 to say the Old Covenant is still in force is contradictary to your arguments your support for 1, 2, 4 and 6 already discussed.
Take special note of your points 4 and 6 which is in reference to the 2nd coming. So what is Hebrews 8:13 in your view saying. Is the OLD COVENANT ready or near to disappearing? or is it NOT dissappearing? You are contradicting Hebrews 8:13 with your interpertation of points 4 and 6 which are in reference to the just before and after the 2nd coming. If that is the case then according to you the NEW Covenant does not start until Jesus returns and no one is born again? Is this what you believe?
I believe that the scripture is reading just as it reads although you need to define what is being meant by OLD and NEW Covenants. The OLD is ready to vanish away. At that stage everything was new and the Gospel was being preached many believe the book of Hebrews was written around 60-70 AD around the destruction of Jerusalem. Judaism was strong as well as persecution of the new Christians. At that time it would have looked like the NEW Covenant was in the hands of only the few and the OLD still in the hands of the many.
Summary; Hebrews 8 contradicts your support for points 1, 2, 4 and 6. So in your view the NEW covenant does not start even after the 2nd coming. So there is no New covenant?
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PART 8/12
Continuing on your next premise which is ....
8. A. Many New-Covenant-era priests were disciples of the Messiah (Ac. 6:7).
B. Priests perform sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties.
C. Priestly sacrificial/Levitical duties are acceptable in the New-Covenant-era (from A and B).
This starts off by talking about the NEW Covenant era but this then disagrees with your interpretation of point 5-6 which is in relation to the NEW Covenant not starting even after the 2nd coming?
Let's start here by looking at your scripture support A. Many New-Covenant-era priests were disciples of the Messiah (Ac. 6:7). You use this to infer that the NEW COVENANT PRIESTS were practicing animal sacrifices for SIN offereings. Let's see if this is what the scripture says....
Acts 6
7, And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
Now my friend if your being honest here where does it say in this scripture that these priests were continuing to offer animal sacrifices? It does not say they were continuing to offer animal sacrifices it says that they became OBEDIENT to the FAITH which is in reference to the NEW Covenant, not the old as the old was ready to vanish away.
Summary; Acts 6:7 does not say that the Priest converts were practicing animal sacrifices it says they became obedient to the faith. This scripture does not suppor the idea of animal sacrifices.
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PART 9/12
Continuing on your next premise which is....
9. A. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah (Ac. 21:20).
B. Torah-obedience requires sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties (when performed properly).
C. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah-obedient sacrificial/priestly/Levitical activity.
D. These disciples encouraged Paul (and Paul agreed!) to condone a vow (evidently the sacrifice-laden Nazirite vow) for the purpose of publicly affirming that Paul likewise walked orderly according to the Torah.
E. Sacrifices are, thus, affirmed as a valid ongoing New-Covenant-era practice.
Let's look at the scripture used.
Acts 21
20, And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said to him, You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law
21, And they are informed of you, that you teach all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
22, What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that you are come.
23, Do therefore this that we say to you: We have four men which have a vow on them;
24, Them take, and purify yourself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning you, are nothing; but that you yourself also walk orderly, and keep the law.
25, As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
26, Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
This is an event taking place around 59 AD when the Gospel of the NEW Covenant is being preached similar to Hebrews 8:13 stating the OLD Covenant was near to vainishing away at that time however most people followed and were practicing the OLD Covenant. Pauls mindset was that he was all things to all people
Paul became all things to all people that he might share God's Word...
1 Corinthians 9
19, For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant to all, that I might gain the more.
20, And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21, To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22, To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
Summary; At this time the Old Covenant was the practice of the majority and had not yet passed away although it was already fulfilled at the cross the Gospel was newly being preached. Paul became all things to all people that he may share the word of God (Gospel) of the New Testament. The scriptures used above do NOT support a case foe animal sacrifices as this would be to deny the sacrifice of Christ to which the sacrificial system under the Old Covenant pointed to in the NEW Covenant.
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Continuing on your next premise which is Isaiah 66 guarantees future restoration of Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with new moon and Sabbath observance. We should not oppose what Isaiah guarantees will occur in the future.
6. A. Is. 66 guarantees future restoration of Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with new moon and Sabbath observance.
B. We should not oppose what Isaiah guarantees will occur in the future.
Issaiah 66 is talking about the second coming and new earth and keeping a new moon and Sabbath but there is no reference to offering animal sacrifices.
Summary: No scripture presented anywhere here in Ezekiel 40-48 that says that Christians in the NEW COVENANT after the death of Jesus to which animal sacrifices and sin offerings pointed to (Shadows) will continue under the NEW Covenant.
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PART 7/12
Continuing on your next premise which is ....
(E) Old Covenant Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities are good and proper to persist into the New Covenant era (from D).
7.A. The Old Covenant is READY (Gr. "engoos", Heb. 8:13) to disappear.
B. That which is ready to disappear has NOT yet disappeared (from the meaning of "engoos").
C. The Old Covenant was still in force (as of the New-Covenant-era time of the writing of Hebrews) (from B).
D. The inauguration of the New Covenant does NOT entail termination of the Old Covenant (from C).
E. Old Covenant Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities are good and proper to persist into the New Covenant era (from D).
Ok I do not have a problem with A-D. However where I see the problem is in E. To answer this correctly however one must have a good understanding of what it is that makes up the OLD Covenant what has dissappeared and what is forever.
What laws in your view make up the Old Covenant and what where their purposes under the Old covenant?
This argument here using the word ready to dissappear in Hebrews 8:13 to say the Old Covenant is still in force is contradictary to your arguments your support for 1, 2, 4 and 6 already discussed.
Take special note of your points 4 and 6 which is in reference to the 2nd coming. So what is Hebrews 8:13 in your view saying. Is the OLD COVENANT ready or near to disappearing? or is it NOT dissappearing? You are contradicting Hebrews 8:13 with your interpertation of points 4 and 6 which are in reference to the just before and after the 2nd coming. If that is the case then according to you the NEW Covenant does not start until Jesus returns and no one is born again? Is this what you believe?
I believe that the scripture is reading just as it reads although you need to define what is being meant by OLD and NEW Covenants. The OLD is ready to vanish away. At that stage everything was new and the Gospel was being preached many believe the book of Hebrews was written around 60-70 AD around the destruction of Jerusalem. Judaism was strong as well as persecution of the new Christians. At that time it would have looked like the NEW Covenant was in the hands of only the few and the OLD still in the hands of the many.
Summary; Hebrews 8 contradicts your support for points 1, 2, 4 and 6. So in your view the NEW covenant does not start even after the 2nd coming. So there is no New covenant?
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PART 8/12
Continuing on your next premise which is ....
8. A. Many New-Covenant-era priests were disciples of the Messiah (Ac. 6:7).
B. Priests perform sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties.
C. Priestly sacrificial/Levitical duties are acceptable in the New-Covenant-era (from A and B).
This starts off by talking about the NEW Covenant era but this then disagrees with your interpretation of point 5-6 which is in relation to the NEW Covenant not starting even after the 2nd coming?
Let's start here by looking at your scripture support A. Many New-Covenant-era priests were disciples of the Messiah (Ac. 6:7). You use this to infer that the NEW COVENANT PRIESTS were practicing animal sacrifices for SIN offereings. Let's see if this is what the scripture says....
Acts 6
7, And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
Now my friend if your being honest here where does it say in this scripture that these priests were continuing to offer animal sacrifices? It does not say they were continuing to offer animal sacrifices it says that they became OBEDIENT to the FAITH which is in reference to the NEW Covenant, not the old as the old was ready to vanish away.
Summary; Acts 6:7 does not say that the Priest converts were practicing animal sacrifices it says they became obedient to the faith. This scripture does not suppor the idea of animal sacrifices.
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PART 9/12
Continuing on your next premise which is....
9. A. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah (Ac. 21:20).
B. Torah-obedience requires sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties (when performed properly).
C. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah-obedient sacrificial/priestly/Levitical activity.
D. These disciples encouraged Paul (and Paul agreed!) to condone a vow (evidently the sacrifice-laden Nazirite vow) for the purpose of publicly affirming that Paul likewise walked orderly according to the Torah.
E. Sacrifices are, thus, affirmed as a valid ongoing New-Covenant-era practice.
Let's look at the scripture used.
Acts 21
20, And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said to him, You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law
21, And they are informed of you, that you teach all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
22, What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that you are come.
23, Do therefore this that we say to you: We have four men which have a vow on them;
24, Them take, and purify yourself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning you, are nothing; but that you yourself also walk orderly, and keep the law.
25, As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
26, Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
This is an event taking place around 59 AD when the Gospel of the NEW Covenant is being preached similar to Hebrews 8:13 stating the OLD Covenant was near to vainishing away at that time however most people followed and were practicing the OLD Covenant. Pauls mindset was that he was all things to all people
Paul became all things to all people that he might share God's Word...
1 Corinthians 9
19, For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant to all, that I might gain the more.
20, And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21, To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22, To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
Summary; At this time the Old Covenant was the practice of the majority and had not yet passed away although it was already fulfilled at the cross the Gospel was newly being preached. Paul became all things to all people that he may share the word of God (Gospel) of the New Testament. The scriptures used above do NOT support a case foe animal sacrifices as this would be to deny the sacrifice of Christ to which the sacrificial system under the Old Covenant pointed to in the NEW Covenant.
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PART 10/12
Continuing on your next premise which is....
10. A. Sabbath Torah is (present tense!) a shadow of the substance in Christ (Col. 2:16-17).
B. Col. 2 was written after the inauguration of the New-Covenant era.
C. Col. 2 is, thus, evidence that Sabbath Torah (which, of course, includes associated sacrificial activity when properly performed) is an ONGOING FUNCTIONING SHADOW which CONTINUES to point to the substance in Christ.
This point seems to have a total disregard for the NEW Covenant and Shadows pointing to Christ. If you
Also, there were many kinds of sin offerings in in the OLD Covenant under the Mosaic laws and ordinances for remission of sin through animal sacrifices and other sin offereings (food and drink etc). These offereings were NEVER restricted to the Sabbath only although they were carried out on the Sabbath they were carried out EVERY DAY.
There were the regularly scheduled times for the burnt offering. Burnt offerings were to be made EVERY DAY, in the morning and the evening (Exod 29:38-42; Num. 28:3, 6, cf. 2 Chron. 2:4, etc.). An additional burnt offering was to be offered up each Sabbath day (Num. 28:9-10). Also, at the beginning of each month (Num. 28:11), at the celebration of the annual festivals of Passover on the 14th day of the 1st month (Num. 28:16), along with new grain offering at Feast of Weeks (Num. 28:27), at the feast of trumpets, on sacred day in the 7th month (Num. 29:1ff.), and for the celebration of the new moon (Num. 29:6).
A burnt offering was often offered in conjunction with another sacrifice. Among these were the guilt offering (Lev. 5:7, 10, 17-18), the sin offering (cf. Lev. 5:7; 6:25; 9:2-3, 7; 12:6, 8), the votive or freewill offering (Lev. 22:18), the sheaf offering (Lev. 23:12), and the new grain offering (Lev. 23:15-22, esp. v. 18).
There were a number of occasions when a sacrifice was required for cleansing, of which the burnt offering was one of the sacrifices offered. The burnt offering was required in the cleansing of a woman’s uncleanness as a result of child-bearing (sin and burnt offering required, Lev. 12:6-8), of a leper (Lev. 14:19-20), of a man with a discharge (with a sin offering, Lev. 15:14-15), of a woman with an abnormal discharge (with a sin offering, Lev. 15:30), and of a Nazarite who was unintentionally defiled by contact with a dead body (Num. 6:11, 14). When the congregation unwittingly failed to observe one of God’s commands, and was thereby defiled, a burnt offering was required for the purification of the congregation (Num. 15:22-26). A burnt offering was required for the purification and consecration of Aaron (Lev. 16:3, 5, 24), as well as the Levites (Num. 8:12).
Let's cut to the chase by looking at the CONTEXT of Col 2:16-17.......
Colossians 2:14
"Blotting out (G1813; ἐξαλείφω; exaleiphō; ex-al-i'-fo; means to obliterate; erase; wipe away)the handwriting of ordinances which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way nailing it to the cross."
The next question we need to consider is; what is the handwriting of ordinances that are to be erased and nailed to the cross?
The Greek words used here is handwriting G5498 χειρόγραφον; cheirographon; which means; hand written legal document which is combined with ordinance G1378 δόγμα dogma dog'-mah From the base of G1380; which means; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical law: - decree;
The Greek meaning of handwriting of ordinances in V14 is a hand written legal document or book of civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws. These are the laws referred to in verse 14 that have been erased and are nailed to the cross.
What is the legal written document or book (handwriting of ordinances) that includes the civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws referring to?
There was two sets of laws that were given to God’s people in the Old Testament scriptures.
(1) God’s Law (10 commandments) pointed out what sin was and the penalty of sin which is death. It was never a cure for sin in the Old Testament as well as in the New. It only gives a knowledge of what sin is and righteousness (right doing) (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Ps 119:172).
(2) The laws of Moses was the second set of laws and included all the civil, ceremonial, and ecclesiastical laws. These laws could not tell you what sin was this was the job of God’s Law, however the laws of Moses were the prescriptive cure for sin in the Old Covenant. These laws included all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, sacrificial burnt offerings for sin, annual festivals and earthly sanctuary services for sin. These laws were the cure for sin so the sinner could be made right with God. These where all prophetic in nature, teaching the plan of salvation which pointing to Jesus as the true lamb of God and our great high priest and His Work on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary. (Leviticus 1; 3-12; 14-17; 22-23; Number 6-8; 15; 28-29; Deut 12; 33; Ex 25:8; John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28)
From the above it can be seen that God’s Law was written on stone and the laws of Moses in a book. God’s Law is forever and only points out what sin is but was never a cure for sin (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23).
The laws of Moses included all the ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws that were the cure for sin with all the sin offerings and earthly Sanctuary services, annual festivals and sin offerings which were prophetic in nature and temporary pointing to the life, death, resurrection of Jesus and his role as the true lamb of God and your great high priest to atone for our sins (John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28). The handwriting of ordinances (ceremonial laws and ordinances written in a book) is referring to the ceremonial, ecclesiastical laws of Moses which included the Jewish annual festivals and sin offerings that pointed to Jesus.
Why were the ceremonial laws of Moses (handwriting of ordinances) nailed to the cross?
Jesus was our true sacrifice for our sins and the saviour of the world that the ceremonial laws of Moses all pointed to. When Jesus came and died the old Covenant laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation was fulfilled (John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28). Jesus is our true Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and our sacrifice for our sins. It is our sins as well as the ceremonial laws of Moses that were nailed to the cross at the death of Jesus (Col 2:14; John 3:16).
Colossians 2:14 is the context of Colossians 2:16-17. The context is that all the ceremonial laws of Moses pointing to the plan of salvation and Jesus have been fulfilled and nailed to the cross and along with our sins, if we accept Jesus as our true Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world (John 1:29). We are no longer under the Old Covenant laws of Moses. These do not include God’s Law which is forever (Ecc 3:14).
Summary; Animal sacrifices under the OLD COVENANT were to be carried out EVERY DAY of the week not just on the Sabbath day. The ceremonial laws and ordinances for remission of SIN as well as our SINS were nailed to the cross in Jesus our true sacrifice under the NEW COVENANT. Point 10 does NOT support practicing animal sacrifices. To do so would be to deny Christs sacrifice to which the Mosaic sacrificial system was a shadow pointing to Jesus.
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PART 11/12
Continuing on your next premise which is....
11. A. Christians are included as fellow Israelites who partake in the Torah-laden covenants between YHVH and Israel (Eph. 2).
B. The covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic, and New) are all still in force, and we Christians partake in these covenants (plural! Eph. 2:12).
C. The covenants entail Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when properly performed.
D. Thus, we Christians should condone the proper restoration and participation in the Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with the Torah-laden covenants in which we participate.
You are correct to state there are different COVENANT in the OLD Testament but lets cut to the chase here what we are talking about in this thread are the COVENANANTS in the OLD Testament for ther REMISSION of SINS most recently given in the Mosiac Covenant correct? The OLD COVENANT was made up of 1. God's 10 Commandments as the KNOWLEDGE OF SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS written and spoken by GOD himself and 2. the MOSIAC laws for remission of SINS (Ceremonial/Levitical/sacrificial). The Mosaic laws for remission of SINS were the shadow laws that have been fulfilled in Christ as shown earlier but we will look at the scriptures in more detail shortly. Let's look at your supprt scripture...
Ephesians 2
12, That at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
So all this scripture is saying is that Gentiles are now a part of God's Israel which I agree. However the scripture does NOT support that we are to continue animal sacrifices.
Summary; The Mosaic laws for remissionof sin from the OLD COVENANT are the shadows which are fulfilled in Christ in the NEW Covenant. The scripture used in your support 11 does NOT support a claim for doing animal sacrifices.
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PART 12/12
Continuing on your next premise which is....
12. A. Israelites will again participate in Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when they return from ALL the countries to which they have been scattered (Eze. 20:30-44).
B. This return has not yet occurred.
C. Animal sacrifices will occur in the future (from A and B).
D. We Christians are included as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between YHVH and Israel (e.g., Jer. 31).
E. Thus, we are Israelites who will participate in the restoration of animal sacrifices in the future.
You do know that the book of Ezekiel was written while God's people were scattered among the nations and held in captivity to the Babylonian empire? The return happened some time latter after the fall of the Babylonian Empire to the Medes and Persians and after this through the decree from Cyrus to rebuild the temple
2 Chron 36
22, Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying;
23, Thus said Cyrus king of Persia, All the kingdoms of the earth has the LORD God of heaven given me; and he has charged me to build him an house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all his people? The LORD his God be with him, and let him go up.
Summary; NO your premise is mixed up here as the return had already taken place at the decree of Cyrus and once again there is NOT one scripture that says that animal sacrifices need to be carried out in the NEW COVENANT.
CONCLUSION: None of your 12 points and scripture support your claim that Christians in the NEW Covenant are to continue practicing animal sacrifices.
The next post will look at supporting scriptures in the NEW Testament that do away with the OLD Covenant laws for remission of sins and animal sacrifices and their fulfillment in Christ.
Continuing on your next premise which is....
10. A. Sabbath Torah is (present tense!) a shadow of the substance in Christ (Col. 2:16-17).
B. Col. 2 was written after the inauguration of the New-Covenant era.
C. Col. 2 is, thus, evidence that Sabbath Torah (which, of course, includes associated sacrificial activity when properly performed) is an ONGOING FUNCTIONING SHADOW which CONTINUES to point to the substance in Christ.
This point seems to have a total disregard for the NEW Covenant and Shadows pointing to Christ. If you
Also, there were many kinds of sin offerings in in the OLD Covenant under the Mosaic laws and ordinances for remission of sin through animal sacrifices and other sin offereings (food and drink etc). These offereings were NEVER restricted to the Sabbath only although they were carried out on the Sabbath they were carried out EVERY DAY.
There were the regularly scheduled times for the burnt offering. Burnt offerings were to be made EVERY DAY, in the morning and the evening (Exod 29:38-42; Num. 28:3, 6, cf. 2 Chron. 2:4, etc.). An additional burnt offering was to be offered up each Sabbath day (Num. 28:9-10). Also, at the beginning of each month (Num. 28:11), at the celebration of the annual festivals of Passover on the 14th day of the 1st month (Num. 28:16), along with new grain offering at Feast of Weeks (Num. 28:27), at the feast of trumpets, on sacred day in the 7th month (Num. 29:1ff.), and for the celebration of the new moon (Num. 29:6).
A burnt offering was often offered in conjunction with another sacrifice. Among these were the guilt offering (Lev. 5:7, 10, 17-18), the sin offering (cf. Lev. 5:7; 6:25; 9:2-3, 7; 12:6, 8), the votive or freewill offering (Lev. 22:18), the sheaf offering (Lev. 23:12), and the new grain offering (Lev. 23:15-22, esp. v. 18).
There were a number of occasions when a sacrifice was required for cleansing, of which the burnt offering was one of the sacrifices offered. The burnt offering was required in the cleansing of a woman’s uncleanness as a result of child-bearing (sin and burnt offering required, Lev. 12:6-8), of a leper (Lev. 14:19-20), of a man with a discharge (with a sin offering, Lev. 15:14-15), of a woman with an abnormal discharge (with a sin offering, Lev. 15:30), and of a Nazarite who was unintentionally defiled by contact with a dead body (Num. 6:11, 14). When the congregation unwittingly failed to observe one of God’s commands, and was thereby defiled, a burnt offering was required for the purification of the congregation (Num. 15:22-26). A burnt offering was required for the purification and consecration of Aaron (Lev. 16:3, 5, 24), as well as the Levites (Num. 8:12).
Let's cut to the chase by looking at the CONTEXT of Col 2:16-17.......
Colossians 2:14
"Blotting out (G1813; ἐξαλείφω; exaleiphō; ex-al-i'-fo; means to obliterate; erase; wipe away)the handwriting of ordinances which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way nailing it to the cross."
The next question we need to consider is; what is the handwriting of ordinances that are to be erased and nailed to the cross?
The Greek words used here is handwriting G5498 χειρόγραφον; cheirographon; which means; hand written legal document which is combined with ordinance G1378 δόγμα dogma dog'-mah From the base of G1380; which means; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical law: - decree;
The Greek meaning of handwriting of ordinances in V14 is a hand written legal document or book of civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws. These are the laws referred to in verse 14 that have been erased and are nailed to the cross.
What is the legal written document or book (handwriting of ordinances) that includes the civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws referring to?
There was two sets of laws that were given to God’s people in the Old Testament scriptures.
(1) God’s Law (10 commandments) pointed out what sin was and the penalty of sin which is death. It was never a cure for sin in the Old Testament as well as in the New. It only gives a knowledge of what sin is and righteousness (right doing) (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Ps 119:172).
(2) The laws of Moses was the second set of laws and included all the civil, ceremonial, and ecclesiastical laws. These laws could not tell you what sin was this was the job of God’s Law, however the laws of Moses were the prescriptive cure for sin in the Old Covenant. These laws included all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, sacrificial burnt offerings for sin, annual festivals and earthly sanctuary services for sin. These laws were the cure for sin so the sinner could be made right with God. These where all prophetic in nature, teaching the plan of salvation which pointing to Jesus as the true lamb of God and our great high priest and His Work on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary. (Leviticus 1; 3-12; 14-17; 22-23; Number 6-8; 15; 28-29; Deut 12; 33; Ex 25:8; John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28)
From the above it can be seen that God’s Law was written on stone and the laws of Moses in a book. God’s Law is forever and only points out what sin is but was never a cure for sin (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23).
The laws of Moses included all the ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws that were the cure for sin with all the sin offerings and earthly Sanctuary services, annual festivals and sin offerings which were prophetic in nature and temporary pointing to the life, death, resurrection of Jesus and his role as the true lamb of God and your great high priest to atone for our sins (John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28). The handwriting of ordinances (ceremonial laws and ordinances written in a book) is referring to the ceremonial, ecclesiastical laws of Moses which included the Jewish annual festivals and sin offerings that pointed to Jesus.
Why were the ceremonial laws of Moses (handwriting of ordinances) nailed to the cross?
Jesus was our true sacrifice for our sins and the saviour of the world that the ceremonial laws of Moses all pointed to. When Jesus came and died the old Covenant laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation was fulfilled (John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28). Jesus is our true Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and our sacrifice for our sins. It is our sins as well as the ceremonial laws of Moses that were nailed to the cross at the death of Jesus (Col 2:14; John 3:16).
Colossians 2:14 is the context of Colossians 2:16-17. The context is that all the ceremonial laws of Moses pointing to the plan of salvation and Jesus have been fulfilled and nailed to the cross and along with our sins, if we accept Jesus as our true Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world (John 1:29). We are no longer under the Old Covenant laws of Moses. These do not include God’s Law which is forever (Ecc 3:14).
Summary; Animal sacrifices under the OLD COVENANT were to be carried out EVERY DAY of the week not just on the Sabbath day. The ceremonial laws and ordinances for remission of SIN as well as our SINS were nailed to the cross in Jesus our true sacrifice under the NEW COVENANT. Point 10 does NOT support practicing animal sacrifices. To do so would be to deny Christs sacrifice to which the Mosaic sacrificial system was a shadow pointing to Jesus.
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PART 11/12
Continuing on your next premise which is....
11. A. Christians are included as fellow Israelites who partake in the Torah-laden covenants between YHVH and Israel (Eph. 2).
B. The covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic, and New) are all still in force, and we Christians partake in these covenants (plural! Eph. 2:12).
C. The covenants entail Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when properly performed.
D. Thus, we Christians should condone the proper restoration and participation in the Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with the Torah-laden covenants in which we participate.
You are correct to state there are different COVENANT in the OLD Testament but lets cut to the chase here what we are talking about in this thread are the COVENANANTS in the OLD Testament for ther REMISSION of SINS most recently given in the Mosiac Covenant correct? The OLD COVENANT was made up of 1. God's 10 Commandments as the KNOWLEDGE OF SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS written and spoken by GOD himself and 2. the MOSIAC laws for remission of SINS (Ceremonial/Levitical/sacrificial). The Mosaic laws for remission of SINS were the shadow laws that have been fulfilled in Christ as shown earlier but we will look at the scriptures in more detail shortly. Let's look at your supprt scripture...
Ephesians 2
12, That at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
So all this scripture is saying is that Gentiles are now a part of God's Israel which I agree. However the scripture does NOT support that we are to continue animal sacrifices.
Summary; The Mosaic laws for remissionof sin from the OLD COVENANT are the shadows which are fulfilled in Christ in the NEW Covenant. The scripture used in your support 11 does NOT support a claim for doing animal sacrifices.
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PART 12/12
Continuing on your next premise which is....
12. A. Israelites will again participate in Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when they return from ALL the countries to which they have been scattered (Eze. 20:30-44).
B. This return has not yet occurred.
C. Animal sacrifices will occur in the future (from A and B).
D. We Christians are included as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between YHVH and Israel (e.g., Jer. 31).
E. Thus, we are Israelites who will participate in the restoration of animal sacrifices in the future.
You do know that the book of Ezekiel was written while God's people were scattered among the nations and held in captivity to the Babylonian empire? The return happened some time latter after the fall of the Babylonian Empire to the Medes and Persians and after this through the decree from Cyrus to rebuild the temple
2 Chron 36
22, Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying;
23, Thus said Cyrus king of Persia, All the kingdoms of the earth has the LORD God of heaven given me; and he has charged me to build him an house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all his people? The LORD his God be with him, and let him go up.
Summary; NO your premise is mixed up here as the return had already taken place at the decree of Cyrus and once again there is NOT one scripture that says that animal sacrifices need to be carried out in the NEW COVENANT.
CONCLUSION: None of your 12 points and scripture support your claim that Christians in the NEW Covenant are to continue practicing animal sacrifices.
The next post will look at supporting scriptures in the NEW Testament that do away with the OLD Covenant laws for remission of sins and animal sacrifices and their fulfillment in Christ.
WHAT DOES THE NEW COVENANT SAY ABOUT SIN OFFERINGS AND ANIMAL SACRIFICES?
The New Testament. The verb thuo, [quvw] "to slaughter, sacrifice" an animal, is used fourteen times in the New Testament referring to (1) nonsacrificial animals killed ( John 10:10 ; Acts 10:13 ; 11:7 ) and prepared for a wedding feast ( Matt 22:4 ) or other kind of celebration ( Luke 15:23 Luke 15:27 Luke 15:30 ); (2) the slaughter of the Passover lamb ( Mark 14:12 ; Luke 22:7 ; 1 Cor 5:7 ); and (3) offerings to pagan gods ( Acts 14:13 Acts 14:18 ; 1 Cor 10:20 ).
The noun thusia, [qusiva] "sacrifice, offering, act of offering" (cf. the verb above), occurs twenty-nine times referring, for example, to specific Old Testament passages (e.g., Matt 9:13 ; 12:7 ), fulfillment of Old Testament sacrificial regulations ( Luke 2:24 ) or festival celebrations ( 1 Cor 10:18 ), and the sacrifice of Christ on the cross ( Eph 5:2 ).
Prosphora [prosforav], "offering, sacrifice, gift; act of offering; grain offering" (9 occurrences; cf. the verb prosphero [prosforav], "to offer, present"), refers to Christ's presentation of himself to God as an offering ( Eph 5:2, ; Hebrews 10:10 Hebrews 10:14 ) and the Old Testament offerings ( Hebrews 10:5 Hebrews 10:8 ). The term doron [dw'ron], "gift, " occurs nineteen times in the New Testament; sixteen of those times it refers to sacrificial gifts or offerings to God.
Jesus Christ and the Old Testament Sacrificial System. During his incarnation Jesus explicitly honored the Mosaic sacrificial system ( Matt 8:4 ; Mark 1:44 ; Luke 5:14 ; 17:14 ). He lived as a Jew and encouraged others to also keep every "smallest letter" and "least stroke of a pen" ( Matt 5:18 ). Jesus as our "Passover sacrifice." There are many possible references to Jesus as a Passover sacrifice in the New Testament. However, the most certain of them all is in the exhortation to purity in 1 Corinthians 5:7, "Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeastas you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed." Jesus as our suffering servant "guilt offering."
When John the Baptist said "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world" ( John 1:29 ),Isaiah 53:7b, "he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth." The Passover lamb option has been favored by some but the general consensus is that it refers to Isaiah 53:7.
Jesus as our new covenant ratification "peace offering." According to lu 22:1-23, the "last supper" of Jesus was a Passover meal. Toward the end of that meal Jesus created a new ritual on the foundation of the Passover ritual. The new ritual is the basis of the ordinance that we have now come to call "Communion, " the "Eucharist, " the "Last Supper, " or the "Lord's Supper." As is well known it includes Jesus words over the bread ( Luke 22:19 ) and the cup ( Luke 22:20 ).Jesus referred to the cup as "the new covenant in my blood."
The similarity to Moses' statement in Exodus 24:8 that "this is the blood of the covenant"Romans 3:24b-25a, we are justified before God "through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood."
It will be recalled that the offering with which atonement was most associated was the sin offering. Moreover, the sin offering blood atonement was foundational to Old Testament forgiveness.In the New Testament the connection between redemption or atonement and forgiveness of sins is also explicit. For example, in its context the reference to Jesus as "the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world" ( 1 John 2:2 ) is a continuation of the argument that "if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness" ( 1 John 1:9 ).
The sacrifice of Jesus and the whole Old Testament sacrificial system. Hebrews 9-10 opens with a summary of the Old Testament sanctuary system, beginning with a description of the sanctuary itself and ending with the distinction between the sacrifices that were offered throughout the year versus the Day of Atonement.
The background is the quotation of the new covenant passage from Jeremiah 31:31-34 in Hebrews 8, to which the writer will return in Hebrews 10:16-17. In the meantime Hebrews 9:1-10:15 is devoted to a comparison between: (1) the Old Testament sacrificial system in general versus the sacrifice of Christ ( Heb 9:8-14 ), (2) the Old Testament covenant ratification sacrifice ( Exod 24:5-8 ) versus the new covenant sacrifice of Christ ( Heb 9:15-20 ; see above ), (3) the cleansing of the Old Testament tabernacle with blood ( Exod 29:10-14 ; Lev 8:15 ; Num 7:1 ) versus the blood of Christ cleansing the heavenly tabernacle ( Heb 9:21-24 ), and (4) the Old Testament Day of Atonement (Lev. 16) versus the sacrifice of Christ ( Heb 9:25-10:14 ).
With regard to the sacrificial system in general, the writer begins by saying that, since even the high priest could only enter the most holy place once a year ( 9:7 ), therefore, "The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the most holy place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing" ( 9:8 ). The first reason for this is that the Old Testament gifts and sacrifices "were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper" ( 9:9 b). This stands in contrast to the sacrifice of Christ our High Priest. The Old Testament sacrifices accomplished only the "cleansing of the flesh" (v. 13, NASB) whereas the blood of Christ cleansed the "conscience" (v. 14).
With regard to covenant ratification, since Christ's sacrifice was better than the sacrifices that ratified the covenant at Sinai (vv. 18-20), the covenant ratified by his sacrifice was a better covenant (i.e., the new covenant, v. 15). Moreover, regarding the use of blood to cleanse the tabernacle ( Heb 9:21-24 ), it is well known that this was the essential purpose of the sin offering in the Old Testament sacrificial system. However, there is no mention of sprinkling the whole "tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies" ( Heb 9:21 ) with blood on that day.
The final section of the writer's excursus on the Old Testament sacrificial system is the most extended of the four ( Heb 9:25-10:15 ). In it he recalls that the Old Testament sacrifices could not remove the "conscience of sins" ( 10:2 ). Instead, those sacrifices were "an annual reminder of sins" ( 10:3 ). Thus, he brings his earlier argument with regard to the level of cleansing accomplished by the Old Testament sacrifices (i.e., they only worked on the level of the flesh) into his discussion of the temporal limitations of the cleansing accomplished by the Old Testament sacrifices. Even the annual Day of Atonement sacrifices only accomplished cleansing for one year (9:25-10:4), much less the regular offerings, which were even more limited since they had to be offered time after time throughout the year ( 10:10-11 ). (see bible notes)
The sacrificial system for the remission of sins were shadows fulfilled in Christ Let's cut to the chase by looking at the
CONTEXT of Col 2:16-17.......
Colossians 2:14
"Blotting out (G1813; ἐξαλείφω; exaleiphō; ex-al-i'-fo; means to obliterate; erase; wipe away)the handwriting of ordinances which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way nailing it to the cross."
The next question we need to consider is; what is the handwriting of ordinances that are to be erased and nailed to the cross?
The Greek words used here is handwriting G5498 χειρόγραφον; cheirographon; which means; hand written legal document which is combined with ordinance G1378 δόγμα dogma dog'-mah From the base of G1380; which means; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical law: - decree;
The Greek meaning of handwriting of ordinances in V14 is a hand written legal document or book of civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws. These are the laws referred to in verse 14 that have been erased and are nailed to the cross.
What is the legal written document or book (handwriting of ordinances) that includes the civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws referring to?
There was two sets of laws that were given to God’s people in the Old Testament scriptures.
(1) God’s Law (10 commandments) pointed out what sin was and the penalty of sin which is death. It was never a cure for sin in the Old Testament as well as in the New. It only gives a knowledge of what sin is and righteousness (right doing) (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Ps 119:172).
(2) The laws of Moses was the second set of laws and included all the civil, ceremonial, and ecclesiastical laws. These laws could not tell you what sin was this was the job of God’s Law, however the laws of Moses were the prescriptive cure for sin in the Old Covenant. These laws included all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, sacrificial burnt offerings for sin, annual festivals and earthly sanctuary services for sin. These laws were the cure for sin so the sinner could be made right with God. These where all prophetic in nature, teaching the plan of salvation which pointing to Jesus as the true lamb of God and our great high priest and His Work on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary. (Leviticus 1; 3-12; 14-17; 22-23; Number 6-8; 15; 28-29; Deut 12; 33; Ex 25:8; John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28)
From the above it can be seen that God’s Law was written on stone and the laws of Moses in a book. God’s Law is forever and only points out what sin is but was never a cure for sin (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23).
The laws of Moses included all the ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws that were the cure for sin with all the sin offerings and earthly Sanctuary services, annual festivals and sin offerings which were prophetic in nature and temporary pointing to the life, death, resurrection of Jesus and his role as the true lamb of God and your great high priest to atone for our sins (John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28). The handwriting of ordinances (ceremonial laws and ordinances written in a book) is referring to the ceremonial, ecclesiastical laws of Moses which included the Jewish annual festivals and sin offerings that pointed to Jesus.
Why were the ceremonial laws of Moses (handwriting of ordinances) nailed to the cross?
Jesus was our true sacrifice for our sins and the saviour of the world that the ceremonial laws of Moses all pointed to. When Jesus came and died the old Covenant laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation was fulfilled (John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28). Jesus is our true Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and our sacrifice for our sins. It is our sins as well as the ceremonial laws of Moses that were nailed to the cross at the death of Jesus (Col 2:14; John 3:16).
Colossians 2:14 is the context of Colossians 2:16-17. The context is that all the ceremonial laws of Moses pointing to the plan of salvation and Jesus have been fulfilled and nailed to the cross and along with our sins, if we accept Jesus as our true Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world (John 1:29). We are no longer under the Old Covenant laws of Moses. These do not include God’s Law which is forever (Ecc 3:14).
Summary; Animal sacrifices under the OLD COVENANT were to be carried out EVERY DAY of the week not just on the Sabbath day. The ceremonial laws and ordinances for remission of SIN as well as our SINS were nailed to the cross in Jesus our true sacrifice under the NEW COVENANT. Point 10 does NOT support practicing animal sacrifices. To do so would be to deny Christs sacrifice to which the Mosaic sacrificial system was a shadow pointing to Jesus.
CONCLUSION: None of your 12 points and scripture support your claim that Christians in the NEW Covenant are to continue practicing animal sacrifices.
Hope this helps. May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
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The basic premise of the thread is flawed. There will be animal sacrifice in the Millennial Kingdom but those sacrifices will not be to atone for sin. Christ is on His throne in Jerusalem and the sacrifices are for obedience to the King not to atone for sin.
Satan and his crew are chained in the bottomless pit so he cannot afflict mankind during the millennium. I venture to say that the millennium will be like the garden before the fall.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Satan and his crew are chained in the bottomless pit so he cannot afflict mankind during the millennium. I venture to say that the millennium will be like the garden before the fall.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Labeling makes it easier to explain who people are. Would you have preferred 20 paragraphs on what Armstrongites believe, or just the word "Armstrongite?"
And you just labeled him a labeler, so don't you label too?
I have never understood this modern "negative" on labeling.
Personally, I think it is ridiculous to argue over eschatology as if eschatology IS the message, but, I'd rather have a pithy word like "Armstrongite" then 20 paragraphs against a particular End Times guess. Especially since every eschatology-arguer (another label) is going to turn this thread into another argument for personal belief.
And you just labeled him a labeler, so don't you label too?
I have never understood this modern "negative" on labeling.
Personally, I think it is ridiculous to argue over eschatology as if eschatology IS the message, but, I'd rather have a pithy word like "Armstrongite" then 20 paragraphs against a particular End Times guess. Especially since every eschatology-arguer (another label) is going to turn this thread into another argument for personal belief.
I think it boils down to the improper use of cerimoinal laws (shadows used in parables ) we walk by faith the eternal not seen not by sight the temporal as that seen .
In that way we should put on our prescription aid(below) for enlightening the eyes of our hearts so we can walk by faith the unseen eternal.
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
The time of reformation has come.The shadows have become sight (the temporal flesh of Christ) the veil is rent.
Note....(purple in parentheses) my comments
The Holy Ghost this signifying,( to make known by relating the temporal things seen to those not seen, the eternal) ,that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure(parable using the temporal things seen to give us the unseen eternal spiritual understanding) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, "imposed on them" until the time of reformation.Heb 9:8
Christian is the new name God named His bride the church.
Because the time of reformation had come signaled by the words ...it is finished and the veil that was used as a shadow in the ceremonial laws was rent as a witness that it was truly finished , also witnessed by the graves be opened and the souls of the old testament saint that did have the Spirit of Christ in them enter the heaven city prepared as His bride the church.
His Spirit prophesied of the suffering of Christ beforehand which is the purpose of the ceremonial laws used as a parable for the time then present.
Why install another shadow by mending the rent veil .What would be the purpose of another demonstration in the flesh?
God is not a man as us, what would it prove if the veil was mended seeing we walk by faith the unseen and not by sight as that seen?
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