We know that Jesus Christ is now our High Priest. Does it therefore not stand to reason that it will be Jesus Himself performing these animal sacrifices in your Millennial kingdom ? I can think of no greater abomination no matter what you think it's "purpose" might be for. Think on this Roger ... and use common sense. You really need to discard your dispensational nonsense.
ANIMAL SACRIFICES to resume FOR US in the future!
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We know that Jesus Christ is now our High Priest. Does it therefore not stand to reason that it will be Jesus Himself performing these animal sacrifices in your Millennial kingdom ? I can think of no greater abomination no matter what you think it's "purpose" might be for. Think on this Roger ... and use common sense. You really need to discard your dispensational nonsense.
This is where what "stands to reason" must be discarded in place of what is actually revealed. Obviously you have not studied the book of Ezekiel which clearly shows that the Levitical priesthood will function once again in Israel. Since Christ is our High Priest "after the order of Melchizedek" He was both the High Priest as well as the perfect sacrifice when He offered up Himself to God -- body, soul, and spirit -- when He was on the Cross. But He would never get involved with the Levitical sacrifices, since those were to be handled exclusively by the Levitical priesthood.
"Common sense" has no place in this discussion, since according to "common sense" the book of Ezekiel should not even be in the Bible. We are to go strictly by Divine revelation and the fact that Ezekiel was clearly chosen to write down this major prophecy regarding future redeemed, restored, and regenerated Israel. This has nothing to do with "dispensational nonsense" but with the fact that the book of Ezekiel is Scripture. So since it is Scripture, why don't you tell us what it is speaking about (while quoting strictly from Ezekiel). The sad fact is the a very large number of Christians have never been exposed to this book or been given a sound and sober teaching on what it presents.
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It's not ridiculous at at all at all.
Physical temple --------> Spiritual temple..
2 Cor 6:16 Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, “I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
1 Pet 2:5 You also, as living stones, [fn]are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1 Pet 2:6 For this is contained in Scripture:“BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”
To even suggest the temple of God will be replaced by brick and mortar on dirt is blasphemous.
Actually quite interestingly the one popularly called Antichrist will take away the sacrifices it is written in the book of the prophet Daniel.
Yes, Notice that this is not during the Millennium. It is during the first three years of Daniel's 70th week.
From what I can get from the Scriptures, the Sacrifices mention for the Millennium are for Memorial purposes only. Are they actually sacrificing an innocent animal..I don't think so,,,, WHY?
Jesus is ruling with an Iron rod at this time...Any sin will be met with quick and probably lethal judgement. At the age of 100 for newborns or the first 100 years of the Millennium for those who survived Daniel's 70th week each person will have to make a decision to believe or not to believe in the "Everlasting Gospel--Gospel of the Kingdom". Death awaits those who do not!
Therefore there will be no need to sacrifice innocent animals to alleviate the sins of man. There will be none or at least no long lived sin.
Jesus fulfilled the scriptures:
Jesus knew that his mission was now finished, and to
fulfill Scripture he said, "I am thirsty."
17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.
Plus all those other passages mentioned.
Funny Locutus could not rebuttal the bible verses I posted , so he resorted
to accuse myself and others, a tactic straight from the devils handbook.
If he believes no future Israel or no literal kingdom
he could have address bible verses in post 47 if did believe no future Israel.
he could have address bible verses in post 61 if did not believe a mill. kingdom.
Not much other then bible verses was posted by me , he did not or could not
respond to them,so he replied and attacked the only way he could.
Yes, He was preaching to the Jewish people and Any Gentiles that Might happen to listen. They were still under the LAW.
Galatians 5:14
The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Romans 3:31
Do we, then, nullify the Law by this faith? By no means! Instead, we uphold the Law.
Matthew 22:40
All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commandments."
Luke 6:31
Do to others as you would have them do to you.
Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.
James 2:8
If you really keep the royal law stated in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well.
The reason you ran and hid was because I rebutted your bogus theology on all points.
So are you stating you do not promote and copy and paste Herbert Armstrong's?
I can give direct links to your copy and paste if you wish to deny this.
Acts, Galatians, Romans and other writings of Paul gives us the NEW Commandments of Jesus Christ...Yes, these are different in some cases and some not. There are some new ones as well.
i.e. Paul's commandments do not allow anyone to follow the Sabbath.[/U] Of course, under the Law of Moses, this commandment was ceremonial and if not followed was punishable by death. Death would also be the result of two other commandments of Moses.
The Law ended with the Crucifixion and the Church Age Gospel began on Pentecost. Peter and John both listened to Paul as you can see some of his teachings being assimilated and taught to the Jews.
Start here. Do the following verses read to you that the supposed future millennial kingdom animal sacrifices are to be a "learning tool or memorial reminder" ? And who is "the prince" in both verses ?
Ezekiel 45:17
It will be the duty of the prince to provide the burnt offerings, grain offerings and drink offerings at the festivals, the New Moons and the Sabbaths--at all the appointed festivals of Israel. He will provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings and fellowship offerings to make atonement for the Israelites.
Ezekiel 45:22
On that day the prince is to provide a bull as a sin offering for himself and for all the people of the land.
Read and study Hebrews ... particularly Hebrews 7 and 10.
Its not common sense but God's law as spiritual sense hid in parables.
The time of reformation has come it’s been two thousand years. The veil is rent. There will be no bleating of the sheep when he comes on the last day, the end of the world, the final resurrection.
I would think there is just as much a chance that Saul was acting appropriately bringing animals when God did not require it then.There will be no mending the veil and another outward demonstration of flesh that did not profit as if it was Spirit not seen as that which did profit..
God is not a man as us (impossible ) He has no beginning or end of Spirit life. .He is not a creation but the one and only faithful Creator .
1Sa 15:14 And Samuel said, What meaneth then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?
God is not a man as us. Never was never could be. Although some did know him who has no form after the flesh for approx 33 years when he left he informed us... we know him that way no more forever. He remains without mother and father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof. We are not saved by the flesh that again he said could never prophet but by the unseen Spirit of resurrection. No such thing as the corrupted flesh of holiness, we walk by the unseen eternal .Not that seen the temporal.
Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
The veil is rent indicating Christ put on the temporal flesh for a one time demonstration of the work of the lamb of God who was slain from the standpoint of the foundation of the world .The six days he did work resting on His Sabbath ( a non time sensitive word) That Sabbath is limited to hearing His voice as it works in us to both will and give us the rest.
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
I really do not care what you think about me.
I would think you could be a man, an address the bible verses.
You claim there is no "future" for redeemed Israel.
the bible verses in post #47 rebuke that idea.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...acrifices-resume-us-future-3.html#post3451169
You claim there is no mill, and Gods vengence is done.
That idea was also proven false in post # 61
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...acrifices-resume-us-future-4.html#post3451223
So care to go over [the bible verses ] posted by me?
Instead you go around and labeling people to make them look evil,
and trying to make your view look good.
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Some of my brothers and sisters need to brush up on history and put the Bible in proper context. How many of you actually know the answers to these questions?:
Who was Ezekiel?
When did he live?
Who was his audience?
What was going on with the Children of Israel at the time?
It's all about proper context. For those who cannot answer the above questions, Ezekiel was born prior to Israel's destruction and banishment to Babylon in the 6th century BC. He was active as a prophet before and during the Babylonian exile. The Book of Ezekiel was written while in captivity. Solomon's temple had been destroyed. Ezekiel was divinely told to speak to the Children of Israel, the following from Ezek 2:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And He said to me: “Son of man, I am sending you to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that has rebelled against Me; they and their fathers have transgressed against Me to this very day. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For they are impudent and stubborn children. I am sending you to them, and you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God.’ [SUP]5 [/SUP]As for them, whether they hear or whether they refuse—for they are a rebellious house—yet they will know that a prophet has been among them.
Thus the audience of Ezekiel were the exiled Children of Israel living in Babylon in the 6th century BC. He was writing to them and while there are things of edification in there for us, we in the 21st century AD were not the intended audience and I'm pretty certain, we were not on Ezekiel's mind.
So, in Ezek 40-48 when Ezekiel is shown a vision of a future temple, he was told specifically what?
"Declare to the house of Israel everything you see.”
Why should we suppose Ezekiel was to tell those alive in the 6th century BC about a future "millennial" temple some 2,600+ years into their future? What possible relevance would that have to them? Prior to Ezekiel chapter 40, does he declare anything about the 2nd temple, for which construction would actually start in many of their lifetimes? NO!! Wouldn't the 2nd temple be a little more important to them, back then? Of course it would.
So, what is Ezekiel talking about in 40-48? The key lies here in Chapter 43:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]“Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them.
Were they ashamed of their iniquities? This vision was given in the 25th year of their captivity which was to last 70 years. They did not repent as Daniel 9 makes clear. Thus, they never got the massive temple described in Ezek 40-48, instead they were to get a much smaller, less grand temple which would still be the pride of Israel and the envy of the world.
There will be no more animal sacrifices people. God allowed a mosque to be built on the temple mount to prevent it and it has worked for nearly 1,400 years!! They can plan all they want.
Who was Ezekiel?
When did he live?
Who was his audience?
What was going on with the Children of Israel at the time?
It's all about proper context. For those who cannot answer the above questions, Ezekiel was born prior to Israel's destruction and banishment to Babylon in the 6th century BC. He was active as a prophet before and during the Babylonian exile. The Book of Ezekiel was written while in captivity. Solomon's temple had been destroyed. Ezekiel was divinely told to speak to the Children of Israel, the following from Ezek 2:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And He said to me: “Son of man, I am sending you to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that has rebelled against Me; they and their fathers have transgressed against Me to this very day. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For they are impudent and stubborn children. I am sending you to them, and you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God.’ [SUP]5 [/SUP]As for them, whether they hear or whether they refuse—for they are a rebellious house—yet they will know that a prophet has been among them.
Thus the audience of Ezekiel were the exiled Children of Israel living in Babylon in the 6th century BC. He was writing to them and while there are things of edification in there for us, we in the 21st century AD were not the intended audience and I'm pretty certain, we were not on Ezekiel's mind.
So, in Ezek 40-48 when Ezekiel is shown a vision of a future temple, he was told specifically what?
"Declare to the house of Israel everything you see.”
Why should we suppose Ezekiel was to tell those alive in the 6th century BC about a future "millennial" temple some 2,600+ years into their future? What possible relevance would that have to them? Prior to Ezekiel chapter 40, does he declare anything about the 2nd temple, for which construction would actually start in many of their lifetimes? NO!! Wouldn't the 2nd temple be a little more important to them, back then? Of course it would.
So, what is Ezekiel talking about in 40-48? The key lies here in Chapter 43:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]“Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them.
Were they ashamed of their iniquities? This vision was given in the 25th year of their captivity which was to last 70 years. They did not repent as Daniel 9 makes clear. Thus, they never got the massive temple described in Ezek 40-48, instead they were to get a much smaller, less grand temple which would still be the pride of Israel and the envy of the world.
There will be no more animal sacrifices people. God allowed a mosque to be built on the temple mount to prevent it and it has worked for nearly 1,400 years!! They can plan all they want.
There is nothing to "suppose". It is all there in black and white. You have cherry-picked one verse and ignored everything else in Ezekiel, which means that you are afraid to face the truth about Israel as it will be after the second coming of Christ.
As to "relevance", what relevance does prophecy have for anyone? Does it not show that God knows the end from the beginning and that He has a definite plan for the Church as well as for redeemed, restored, and regenerated Israel in the future. Is that not enough relevance?
Oh the self centered interpretations of dispensationalists. I think PlainWord (who beat me to the context) showed very clearly why the temple envisioned was not built after the Babylonian exiles returned home. They did rebuild their temple, second after the Great Temple of Solomon, followed by the third temple of King Herod.
The Second temple was in Israel after the exile, anything else is absolutely false, by any standard.
Further, Exekiel is an EXTREMELY difficult book to interpret. It is full of visions, metaphors which still do not make much sense. The wheel within the wheel? What is that? I am just starting Exekiel, with a commentary in hand, wondering again at so much of it. Yet, I am sure the exiles, to whom the book was written, asked Ezekiel and understood what he was saying. And it certainly wasn’t about a large second temple. The second temple was built, by Nehemiah and Ezra, and it was a shadow of the glory of Solomon’s Temple.
As far as this nonsense about the separation between physical Israel and the church, just no! Have we not been grafted into Israel? We were grafted into Israel, and hence all the promises of God. Then, Israel is grafted back into the church. This metaphor shows us ONE CHURCH, ONE BODY, ONE LORD - Jesus Christ!
”But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[b] of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.” Romans 11:17-24
So, clearly, Gentiles were the wild olive tree. As branches, we were grafted onto the cultivated olive tree, and we receive our nourishment from the “root.” Then only person I know who is called a “root” is Jesus Christ.
“[FONT="][/FONT]I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.” Rev. 22:16
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Jesus is the root, and source of our nourishment. But getting back to Romans 11. So, God “did not spare the natural branches!” (V 21). The natural branches were Israel. They were broken off, but then, when they do not continue in their unbelief (in Jesus as Messiah) they are grafted back in. Are they grafted back into their own tree, or grafted back into Jesus, who is the head of the church?
“[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.” V 24[FONT="]
So, there is only one tree, and that is Jesus Christ. All believers are part of his tree, we are all grafted back in. No separated Israel and Church. It is just so simple, but you are blinded by wrong teaching, and you cannot see the truth of what the Bible says -
“[/FONT]For just as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body—though many—are one body, so too is Christ. 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body. Whether Jews or Greeks or slaves or free, we were all made to drink of the one Spirit.” 1 Cor. 12:12 [FONT="]
ONE body, whether Jews or Greek! That is the simple truth, which you are blinded to by this false dispensational lie. Or as my historical premillennial NT prof used to say, “No plan B for the Jews!”[/FONT]