KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLE

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posthuman

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I think I do not know just one word, but the sentence as a whole is not making any sense to me...
methinks a-times it behooveth ye contrarywise to acquire unto thyself the ancient tongue, as best fitteth the day, lest perchance by corruption of verse thou lead aground that which shouldst sail free the perfect briny speeche
 

posthuman

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Here it is in KJV trofimus:
1Co. 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
1Co. 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
no no no that's obviously corrupt because the 1599 Geneva Bible was translated before this "modern" KJV!!

are you trying to cause Trofimus to stumble??

For there must be heresies even among you, that they which are approved among you, might be known.

 

posthuman

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Here it is in KJV trofimus:
1Co. 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
1Co. 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

would you please at least use the original 100% 1611 version??
not that "modern" ((hence possibly corrupt!!)) 1987 KJV that the "KJV-only" crowd tosses around.

after all, we're Christians here!!

For there must bee also heresies among you, that they which are approued may be made manifest among you.

one never knows how important it may be that we use the character "u" instead of "v" when we spell "approued" -- could change essential doctrine!!






 
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trofimus

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Here it is in KJV trofimus:
1Co. 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
1Co. 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
KJV is a little more understandable, but still I am not sure what the verse means. There must be heresies among us so that approved ones can be manifested... what?


"No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval."
NIV
- I understand this one.
 
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posthuman

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Paul was just addressing the reason for the fights among that group of believers. View attachment 178611

would it be fair to say that if it weren't for KJV-only threads, it would not be so clear that some people are more concerned about nit-picking the translation than the actual meaning of God's word, for example?






((for Trofimus - the idiom 'nit-picking' means being overly-concerned with inconsequential details))
 

trofimus

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methinks a-times it behooveth ye contrarywise to acquire unto thyself the ancient tongue, as best fitteth the day, lest perchance by corruption of verse thou lead aground that which shouldst sail free the perfect briny speeche
eeeee... OK, whatever man, whatever :)
 

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If that were the case, we would all be in agreement with all doctrinal truths throughout the bible. Have you read through the threads lately? Are we all on the same page?
I can only speak for myself. I am sure God allows some differences among believers with the same spirit. Sometimes a scripture has a locked component that is available only when God allows. Also, He wants us to help find answers among ourselves. Prov. 27:17 (NKJV): "As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend."

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Dino246

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Sure I do. And then I go and compare Scripture to Scripture to see if it holds water. And I wonder if you and the others sincerely consider the KJV only perspective or immediately dismiss them?
Having considered it extensively over the past few years, and having found it deeply flawed, I now look behind the oft-repeated assertions to find the glaring fallacies and errors behind them.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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This is a hoover




This dude be hoovering.





Yanks cannot understand this because they don't hoover. They Vacuum. ;)
 

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A KING JAMES VERSION SERMON:

- Hebrews 4:12
- Psalm 12:6-7

Notice the word "preserve", meaning God's word is already present in our times.

- Galatians 1:6-7 (of 1:1-12)

Notice "of Christ", meaning sadly there are trying Christians attracted by the overwhelming affection of Christ, only to be misled by a Gospel that is not "of Christ"

- 2 Corinthians 11:3-4

Scriptural changes differing in meaning broadly spread through the many so called, "modern English Bible Translations" published since the King James Version Bible (KJV) or its birth in 1611 as the Authorized Version (AV).

Here is our History:

The King James Version Bible: Translated from the Textus Receptus and finished in 1611; Through God's will a breakthrough for the Protestant Reformation, for Christian believers with beliefs protestant to the Roman Catholic Church.

The MOST respected Bible, standing out as a strong spiritual asset.
The one and only true word of God (in the English Language).
The Holy Bible.

- Proverbs 30:5-6

Pre 1611 (Old Testament):
Was known to be in the Hebrew Language.

Pre 1611 (New Testament):
Before year 1611, The New Testament was present on earth in the Greek language; in texts known as the Textus Receptus, Yet, not yet translated into the English Language.

Pre 1611 English Bible translations (To solve confusion):
These books were not known to be as spiritually profitable, but are very evident that the puritan reformer group in their day were not happy with Catholicism and the Roman Catholic Church, desperate and determined for liberty in faith.
Excuse me, are you trying to interpret something in the KJV using other, or your own, words?? SHAME!
 

MHz

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Going by the preface to the 1611KJV it is apparent the Greet was used for the NT. They were originally written in Greek and that is where Saul entered the picture. The OT was original Hebrew translated by Jews who lived in Jerusalem so it as close to perfect as possible.
That Bibles has a copyright so all bibles that came after that to be changed 'significantly' so they are all flawed on that one point. They might be okay to give the reader that salvation id coming but the details are not there. they are there in the 1611KJV. Even with an e-bible, understanding the whole book is easier if you can search through the text for similar passages. 24 passages that contain the term 'day of the lord' gives you a better understand of what that term means. It also allows the ones mentioned in Re:1 as being the ones the whole book was meant to be understood by as they are the generation that will be alive for the bruise to the head part of Ge:3:15. Our level of knowledge can be applied to the text in Ge:1 as referencing an old earth creation story that has God using terms that react nicely to powers of 10.

The writer of Revelation had the best chance of understanding it all. before that was Daniel but he was missing the NT text. It was said that understand and knowledge would be increased before the return. An digital bible is how knowledge is increased over the actual hardcover book version. Same words are there, finding all the cross references is impossible with anything bit the e-bible.
 

nddreamer

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"1 Cor. 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you,"

This is the important part of the verse. The Corinthians strayed from Paul's original teaching. The rest of the verse develops it.

"that they which are approved may be made manifest among you."

(and that those heresies that are approved by the majority or leaders are accepted and practiced by all of you)
 

MHz

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Doesn't this forbid associating with sinners too closely?

1Co:5:9-13:
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world,
or with the covetous,
or extortioners,
or with idolaters;
for then must ye needs go out of the world.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?
do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth.
Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

This would also apply I think.

Ro:6:15:
What then?
shall we sin,
because we are not under the law,
but under grace?
God forbid.

Sins committed by a 'believer' with the expectation grace will cover it is trying to make grace a work instead of a free gift from God. You need that to be alive during the 1,000 year reign.
 
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