Why the Gap Theory is unacceptable

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John is not saying that Jesus is the light mentioned in Gen 1. What John is describing regarding Jesus and his incarnation is function and intrinsic nature. Here, light is used as a synonym for truth. This is the same way John uses the word in 1 John. The light in Gen 1 is a created product, not an eternal being. We are also told by John that God is light. This does not mean that Gen 1 is using light as a synonym for God. Clearly from the text, the two are distinguished one from the other.
We clearly see it differently. :)
 

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I have a question for those of you who hold the gap theory. I just want to make sure I understand your position correctly. Is it your opinion that "in the beginning" represents a period of undefined and unqualified time before the creation events of chapter one, and that the events of chapter one are separated by eons of time from "in the beginning?"
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Understanding is that time isn’t specified until God specified it in the context of the common work day of man.
That during that unspecified time the earth sat awaiting the potter’s hand if and when rebellion arose among the angels.

The thing about the earth having created at the same time heaven was is that it proves that nothing the rebellious brought up as justifiable reasons for unbelief towards God caught God unprepared. The earth was created to be created the legal means of establishing God’s historical proofs of his creation ability, and his eternal truths as well.

I suspect that the Devil questioned whether God was the most high God, solely on the basis of “might makes right”, and whether the love of God was true love and not feigned for manipulative reasons. As men on earth question whether God created all things, and whether the history he presents is true.

Interestingly, 1 John 5:7 is a very important verse, which Satan sought to remove from ever being in the completed Holy Bible, as well as others that he got scholars to doubt the varacity of. That verse reveals that God has no legal need of witnesses because they already exist in the godhead.

The understanding of the Godhead isn’t that it just is. It is the understanding that God, as one LORD, as a godhead, is in need of nothing. He never was lonely and needing companionship, he never needed someone else to love, and the Word and the Holy Ghost are free and independent persons that qualify as legal witnesses of all that God, has ever said and done, and witnesses of all others in the preview of God.

This truth means that God created without hidden alterior motives that are contrary to his written word. God created angels and man to share his love, his life and all his benefits and wealth besides. God is not simply almighty God. God is worthy to be the Almighty. There’s no one else to trust. No one as gracious as he.

Good leads to eternal life and perfection in the corse of time for all who trust God with their life.
Evil leads to its own destruction. Angels such as Satan probably thought themselves beyond destruction or suffering damnation being as they are, spirits with heavenly bodies that can walk in fire. But evil destroys eternal spirits as well as the souls of men. According to God we haven’t ever truly had life until we live become the sons of God born of his Spiri, and abiding in his love and truth.

God’s original plan was not to magically, or robotically produce a perfect and perfectly obedient world. God’s plan is to perfect creatures by means of love and truth.

It turns out that evil is slavery unto eternal death if no one saves the evil person.
But, love, that Satan thought weak and a but a nicer form of slavery, is in truth freedom forever.

Once the evil is proven to be evil before all eyes, and good is proven good, and all creatures make their eternal decision of whom to trust their eternal live with, then the new earth and heaven and its perfection and eternal growth will come to pass.
 

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By the way, I've heard the word hermeneutics. What does it mean?
Hermeneutics is simply the science of interpretation. As this is applied to scripture, it defines a set of principles by which scripture is to be examined based on type of literature, context of the passage, obvious meaning, writer's intent, language of the text, and theme of the text.
 

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Hermeneutics is simply the science of interpretation. As this is applied to scripture, it defines a set of principles by which scripture is to be examined based on type of literature, context of the passage, obvious meaning, writer's intent, language of the text, and theme of the text.
And it leads to man helping himself be approved by man, instead of being led of the Holy Ghost and being approved on the job by God.
 

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The next verses tell us that God created the morning stars(angels) and the sons of God(fallen angels). These were created before the earth. God’s creation in Genesis 1 was so beautiful that the angels and sons of God were shouting. They were not shouting about an earth that was without form and void.

Job 38:4 “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

There has to be a Gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 because we see in scripture that God does not create things “without form, and void”. An example would be Adam. God created Adam in the image of God, perfectly. God creates things instantly and perfectly, so there had to be something happened between verses 1 and 2.

Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.”
The next verse tells us that God created the earth to be inhabited. So when the earth was first created in Genesis 1:1, it was habitable, but in Genesis 1:2 it was not. Obviously, something happened for the earth to become uninhabitable.

Without a Gap, God would be the author of confusion, darkness and sin because “without form and void” speaks of the judgment of sinners. We know that He is not the author of those things though. See 1 Corinthians 14:33.

Isaiah 45:18 “For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.”

In the next verses, we see God’s divine judgment. Notice it shows how His judgment results in the earth being without form. These are the only other verses in scripture that has the phrase “without form and void”. Since here “without form and void” is the result of God’s divine judgment, it is obvious that Genesis 1:2 is also a result of God’s judgment.

Jeremiah 4:23 “I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.”
 

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People are forgetting about the process of time. things form and come into existance in the process of time.. The scriptures tell us that. in the beginning of creation is no different as it is today. things take time to develop. and that is God's way
 
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Hermeneutics is simply the science of interpretation. As this is applied to scripture, it defines a set of principles by which scripture is to be examined based on type of literature, context of the passage, obvious meaning, writer's intent, language of the text, and theme of the text.
Oh! Okay.

What type of literature is: in the beginning was the word and He was God and He was the light through which everything was created?
 

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You are making an assumption about millions and billions. Since the animals and birds had not reproduced at that point, at most there would have been a few hundred.
There are millions of "kinds" of animals in the history of planet. If you do not believe in evolution, you must believe they were all created in 6 days and therefore available to Adam.
 

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I agree john is talking of His human incarnation, but he also talks of before that when he says everything was created through Him.
What John is doing in the beginning of the prologue is establishing Jesus as the God of eternity and Creator of the universe. This does not imply in any way that John is linking the symbolism of light in verse 4 to the light of Gen 1.

John does not say that Jesus was the light of creation. What John says is that the LIFE that was in Jesus is the light of men. He also says that this light shined in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it not. He is talking about an encounter between two fields of reasoning, light as truth and darkness as intellectual blindness as is demonstrated in verses 9-11.
 

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Oh! Okay.

What type of literature is: in the beginning was the word and He was God and He was the light through which everything was created?
The question you should be asking is of a much broader context. What you should be asking is, what kind of document is the Bible. It is an historical document, a literary document, a narrative document, a human document, or merely a set of doctrines, ethics, and soteriology? Just what kind of document is it?
 

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The question you should be asking is of a much broader context. What you should be asking is, what kind of document is the Bible. It is an historical document, a literary document, a narrative document, a human document, or merely a set of doctrines, ethics, and soteriology? Just what kind of document is it?
Neither. Bible is not a single document, its a library of various documents.
 
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What John is doing in the beginning of the prologue is establishing Jesus as the God of eternity and Creator of the universe. This does not imply in any way that John is linking the symbolism of light in verse 4 to the light of Gen 1.

John does not say that Jesus was the light of creation. What John says is that the LIFE that was in Jesus is the light of men. He also says that this light shined in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it not. He is talking about an encounter between two fields of reasoning, light as truth and darkness as intellectual blindness as is demonstrated in verses 9-11.
The light shined in the darkness. John specifically uses his words to refer us back to genesis: in the beginning.

In the beginning(of OUR story) was the word. The first words: let there be light, let light shine in this darkness. Two fields of reasoning? Or a battle?
 

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The light shined in the darkness. John specifically uses his words to refer us back to genesis: in the beginning.

In the beginning(of OUR story) was the word. The first words: let there be light, let light shine in this darkness. Two fields of reasoning? Or a battle?
Verses 9-11 define the context for which John uses the symbolism of light.
 
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Oh! Okay.

What type of literature is: in the beginning was the word and He was God and He was the light through which everything was created?
So...from your reply I am guessing...symbolism literature would be your answer?

Yikes, getting peeved stares gotta go pizzas gone!
 
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The question you should be asking is of a much broader context. What you should be asking is, what kind of document is the Bible. It is an historical document, a literary document, a narrative document, a human document, or merely a set of doctrines, ethics, and soteriology? Just what kind of document is it?
Hey mister, I'm trying to check my hermeneutics by the parameters you yourself gave! :D
 

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In the beginning means the beginning of creation from day one. Where was God before he started creation? Some make up fairy tales and say things like, there was another world before this world, with no indications of it's evidence whatsoever. Then where was God? He tells you exaclty where he was in Genesis. people just can't see it. One thing is for sure, he did not sit around in darkness for millions of years before he decided to create.
 

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For example, there could not be real evening/morning before sun (if you believe that sun was created later than our planet).
Your reasoning is nonsense. And you’ve been informed of it without rebuttal from you or anyone else.
The work day of man was determined by God before he said, Let there be light.

Time is measured by clocks and all clocks are designed to be be built to measure within a planned time frame.

The idea that God built the solar system without knowing what the results would be is a stupid idea. It only sounds intelligent to someone designing complaints they think they can use to cast doubt about God. Only a severe case of blinding bias would cause a man to present such silly arguments as unwittingly as they do.

And wake up geniuses, a few days without the sun, on a earth warmed by light doesn’t threaten the growth of plant life.

In case you don’t know, all seeds are endowed with life and the energy and mechanisms required to grow up and out into the sun from out of a grave.

As far as I can tell, many readers are assumptive and thus blind to anything proving the Holy Bible is true and their personal or cultic notions are false and even ludicrously so.

For another example, Adam could not be created, to know and name all millions of animals (or probably billions, if you believe all animals were living in the same epoch) and to feel lonely in just one literal day.
The millions and billions argument is another lie.

The convenient argument of millions and billions of kinds, and eons of time is a scientific loser argument. It admits by its very construction that every excuse is needed to even pretend science is related to the satanic Darwinian philosophy.

You folks believe nonsense because you love it rather that the unyielding, you’re not as gifted, nor smart as you think, brutal truth of God.

Go write a book and pretend it’s a Bible and ya da ya da ya da.
But no, you want to attack God’s holy scriptures while pretending sincerity and whatnot.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim to be intellectual wits and then stupidly adhere to nonsense without being seen as blind followers of some cultic mindset.
 
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So...from your reply I am guessing...symbolism literature would be your answer?

Yikes, getting peeved stares gotta go pizzas gone!
Just look at what John says. He does not say that Jesus is light here. What he says is that Jesus is life and that that LIFE is the light of men. The symbolism is clear. Life is not literally light but, the life of Jesus is the illuminating element of reason. Everything else is intellectual darkness. This is why he says in verse 17 that, "grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ."