mark of the beast

[MattG]

Yes I do know what that is if it is Rome then the Roman empire and it's citizens were not destroyed in ad70 they continued right on as though their judgment had not yet come. Now if it is the Jews who are to have received it then in fact they did not according to Josephus Josephus: Of the War, Book II that is in chapters 10,11 it was said that the Jews fought against Rome/Nero ect. and they wee accused of "impiety" (I would read the whole book) and why is that every time someone tried to set up an image to be worshiped the Jews fought against it polluting the temple.

If you do a word search of the book I gave for the word "piety" and look up it's definition it will stand out that the Jews from ad66-70(and before/back to Herod) refused to see Caesar as "God",let him pollute the temple with it's image's and they minted their own coins to keep from using Romes money with pagan images on then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish_Revolt_coinage

Nero did kill many Christians before he committed suicide but not for refusing to worship him it was because he was setting the blame off on them for the burning of Rome which is in even Romes account of it's history.

I meant to say "my friend" but the "r" sticks on my keyboard so I apologize for typing "my fiend" in my former post I missed it when I looked over it (I have to hit the "r" harder than the other letters or it missed it,lol).


In conclusion though it would not make any sense to say that the Jews who revolted against Rome from ad66-70 worshiped any Of the Caesars or the government of Rome as God because their are the writings of Josephus and others in history that show that instead of doing as some say they did they instead "rebelled" against it's authority after all it is referred to as Jewish revolt,Jewish rebellion or simply Wars. Now if someone rebells and refuses it should be simple enough to see that the Jews then did not worship Rome no receive his money mark to buy and sell.

Thanks for all this information, I knew we talked about it before, and I think this very informated friend Iamsoandso

 

[Budman]

I find it quite telling that the Bible (KJV) says the mark will be in the forehead or hand.

I do believe it will be a chip with a 666 prefix in there somewhere.

 

[iamsoandso]

I think it to be how the word psephisato is to be understood Strong's Greek: 5585. ψηφίζω (pséphizó) -- to count, calculate it is interesting that it is spoken of by Jesus in Revelation 2:17 where it is said he would write a new name on a white stone so hence a "yes vote" is in the right hand and reflecting what is in his mind Strong's Greek: 5586. ψῆφος (pséphos) -- a small smooth stone, a pebble

 

[iamsoandso]

I think it to be how the word psephisato is to be understood Strong's Greek: 5585. ψηφίζω (pséphizó) -- to count, calculate it is interesting that it is spoken of by Jesus in Revelation 2:17 where it is said he would write a new name on a white stone so hence a "yes vote" is in the right hand and reflecting what is in his mind Strong's Greek: 5586. ψῆφος (pséphos) -- a small smooth stone, a pebble

Don't take me wrong, it seems at some point about the mark in Revelation 13 that for the most part it ends up as anyones guess. In the 80's I bought a Strong's exhaustive concordance (the old big brown book,lol) which is kind of obsolete now after the computer and Google. But seeing it is something that seems to stump the best of us to understand I found that others opinions are just about as possible as any I might come up with.


I began with that word in Revelation 13:18 psephisato Strong's 5585 and then noticed the wording of the white stone in Revelation 2:17. Now after that I noticed that psephos Strong's Greek: 5586. ψῆφος (pséphos) -- a small smooth stone, a pebble is from (origin) psallo which is to sing or strum on a stringed instrument(harp,hence my avatar,lol) Strong's Greek: 5567. ψάλλω (psalló) -- to pull, twitch, twang, play, sing

Then in Revelation 14:1-4 lo and behold the 144,000 are singing a new song and playing harps and the song they are singing they only can learn. I then thought that it would be rather odd to think that Revelation 14:1-4 and Revelation 13:18 wee not speaking of the same thing,just two different songs.

 

[gotime]

The imagery for the mark of the beast comes from Daniel and Deuteronomy and Exodus.

When I hear people trying to tell what it means without once mentioning these places it becomes clear they have no idea what they are talking about.

 

[iamsoandso]

The imagery for the mark of the beast comes from Daniel and Deuteronomy and Exodus.

When I hear people trying to tell what it means without once mentioning these places it becomes clear they have no idea what they are talking about.

So that implies that you know what the mark is?

 

[gotime]

So that implies that you know what the mark is?

The mark is much easier to work out when we let the bible interpret itself. John borrows imagery from the Old Testament that unlocks the meaning in Revelation.

I have a fairly good Idea what it is. Always room for learning though.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The mark is much easier to work out when we let the bible interpret itself. John borrows imagery from the Old Testament that unlocks the meaning in Revelation.

I have a fairly good Idea what it is. Always room for learning though.

Hello gotime,

Just fyi, John doesn't borrow anything written in the book of Revelation. There is nothing of his own interpretation or influence, as he wrote down everything he saw, just as he saw it. God is the author. Just sayin' .....

 

[Pipiripi]

This is the answered my friend. Mark of the beast is opposite of the seal of God. Very simple to get the mark of the beast is breaking God's LAW and the testimony of Jesus. Breaking the 10 commandments is a violation to God's Law. And the must people in this world has break the fourth commandment.

 

[gotime]

This is the answered my friend. Mark of the beast is opposite of the seal of God. Very simple to get the mark of the beast is breaking God's LAW and the testimony of Jesus. Breaking the 10 commandments is a violation to God's Law. And the must people in this world has break the fourth commandment.

That is exactly what you will get if you go back to the Old Testament and read where the language John uses is borrowed from.

 

[gotime]

Hello gotime,

Just fyi, John doesn't borrow anything written in the book of Revelation. There is nothing of his own interpretation or influence, as he wrote down everything he saw, just as he saw it. God is the author. Just sayin' .....

I know that already. my point was the vision is interpreted by the Old Testament but thanx anyway.

 

[Alertandawake]

I have been following this trend of cashless society on and off for quite some time now, and no matter how many times I have analyzed the scriptures concerned, checking the necessary words in the original language concerned, looking at the technology we have today, all the evidence of the mark of the beast points to a cashless society, in which a person has to be a part of the system to survive.

There is evidence that the most ideal locations on the human body for a lithium battery powered implant, is either the right hand or the forehead, something to do with the body temperature, and yet these 2 locations describe the placement of the mark of the beast.

Now we already see evidence of animals who already have implants, there are reported cases of tumors/cancers. Now how this exactly happen, not sure, could be a variety of factors related to the implant. The description in Rev 16.2 describes side effects.

Now already there are successful trials of implanted microchips in people who are using it as a means of payment, which one can see on youtube.

THis kind of electronic payment system today is the only method that can eliminate all other forms of payment instruments and at the same time, be the only recognized payment instrument that will be acceptable.

On a technological scale, this device is the biggest threat to all mankind. On a worldly scale, the implications are staggering. Constant surveillance 24/7, no privacy, no freedom.

 

[gotime]

It really does not matter even if they do put chips in our hand or forehead. It still won't be the mark of the beast.

It may be the method in which they will stop us from buying and selling but it still is not the mark.

There is no solid biblical reason to suggest the chips are the mark of the beast.

The mark has to do with forced worship. Those who don't take it are those who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus.

 

[gotime]

God tells us what it means to endure the time here:

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

So then it is clear to the rational mind that whatever this mark involves it is false worship which involves breaking the commandments of God and not having the faith of Jesus.

This is exactly what happened In Daniel 3 and it is Daniel 3 that you will find the imagery used in Revelation 13 for the mark of the beast.

 

[MattG]

It really does not matter even if they do put chips in our hand or forehead. It still won't be the mark of the beast.

It may be the method in which they will stop us from buying and selling but it still is not the mark.

There is no solid biblical reason to suggest the chips are the mark of the beast.

The mark has to do with forced worship. Those who don't take it are those who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus.

That is right friend.

God bless all who come and read here today, and your families, in Jesus name, amen.

 

[Ahwatukee]

It really does not matter even if they do put chips in our hand or forehead. It still won't be the mark of the beast.

Oh, but it does matter! This is exactly why Satan wants you to believe this. Because of your belief, you are already willing to receive that device in your hand or forehead, because you don't believe it to be the mark. Yet it fits the scripture to a tee.

What a successful deception it is when you can get people to do exactly what God warns us not to do.

There is no solid biblical reason to suggest the chips are the mark of the beast.

Only if you are unable to comprehend plain language! Here is the scripture:

"And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.

-------- Mark of the beast -------------------------------------- RFID Chip Implant -------------------

Goes in/on Right hand or forehead ---------------------- Implanted under the skin of the hand

No buying and selling without the mark ---------------- Implant is being used to make purchases

As time goes on, that device will most likely evolve to something more applicable. But what will remain constant, is that it will go under the skin of the hand and later under the forehead.

The mark has to do with forced worship.

Receiving the mark will indeed be worship of the beast, because his name will be included in the code within that device. Not to mention that we have God's warning Rev.14 for those who receive the mark on their hand or the forehead.

It is amazing that, for the sake of some belief that you adopted, that you would be willing to do exactly what God's word warns us not to do. This is why these false teachings are so destructive. People put the belief that they have adopted over what God's word says.

Bye the way, it will not be forced worship, as in physically forcing people to receive it. But the way it is going to work is that, during the time of the antichrist all other methods of buying and selling will be made obsolete, so that eventually the only means of electronic crediting and debiting (buying and selling) will be through the use of that mark/device. Those who receive it will love their lives more than God. Those who reject it will fear God knowing what the consequences are for anyone who receives it.

 

[MattG]

Revelation 13:16 And it maketh all, the small, and the great, and the rich, and the poor, and the freemen, and the servants, that it may give to them a mark (charagma) upon their right hand or upon their foreheads,

charagma: a stamp, impress​

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Original Word: χάραγμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: charagma
Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-ag-mah)
Short Definition: sculpture, a stamp, sign
Definition: sculpture; engraving, a stamp, sign.

5480 xáragma – properly, an engraving (etching); (figuratively) a mark providing undeniable identification, like a symbol giving irrefutable connection between parties.
5480 /xáragma ("brand-mark") was originally any impress on a coin or a seal, used by an engraver on a die (stamp, branding iron).5480 (xáragma) later became "the identification-marker" (like with an owner'sunique "brand-mark").
[Ancient documents were validated by such stamps or seals (see Plutarch, Agesilaus, 15:6; De Lysandro 16:2, ala DNTT, 2, 574).]

 

[Ahwatukee]

Revelation 13:16 And it maketh all, the small, and the great, and the rich, and the poor, and the freemen, and the servants, that it may give to them a mark (charagma) upon their right hand or upon their foreheads,

charagma: a stamp, impress​

Original Word: χάραγμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: charagma
Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-ag-mah)
Short Definition: sculpture, a stamp, sign
Definition: sculpture; engraving, a stamp, sign.

5480 xáragma – properly, an engraving (etching); (figuratively) a mark providing undeniable identification, like a symbol giving irrefutable connection between parties.
5480 /xáragma ("brand-mark") was originally any impress on a coin or a seal, used by an engraver on a die (stamp, branding iron).5480 (xáragma) later became "the identification-marker" (like with an owner'sunique "brand-mark").
[Ancient documents were validated by such stamps or seals (see Plutarch, Agesilaus, 15:6; De Lysandro 16:2, ala DNTT, 2, 574).]

Greetings MattG,

Yes, I'm very familiar with the word "Charama" as I have looked it up many times. What you have to understand here, is that John is seeing a future device having to do with the technology of how it is being applied to the body and how if functions with the electronic crediting and debiting system. That said, from John's time frame he has exactly zero technology to compare to what he is seeing in his vision. Therefore, the closest that he can come to describing it is by the use of the word "Charagma." That said, John can't say:

"he causes all both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave to receive a device implanted under the skin of the right hand or forehead via syringe and except anyone had that device they would not be able to electronically credit and debit their bank accounts."

John didn't have any technology in his time period to describe what he was seeing in the future. He doesn't know what electronic crediting and debiting is or debit cards or anything having to do with this technology. So we who are living in this time period who are seeing this technology, can take what John wrote and relate it to this technology. It is a fit because the implant is going under the skin of the hand and will be used for making purchases (buying).

 

[MattG]

Greetings MattG, Yes, I'm very familiar with the word "Charama" as I have looked it up many times. What you have to understand here, is that

Revelation 13:16 And it maketh all, the small, and the great, and the rich, and the poor, and the freemen, and the servants, that it may give to them a mark (charagma) upon their right hand or upon their foreheads,

charagma: a stamp, impress
Original Word: χάραγμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: charagma
Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-ag-mah)
Short Definition: sculpture, a stamp, sign
Definition: sculpture; engraving, a stamp, sign.

5480 xáragma – properly, an engraving (etching); (figuratively) a mark providing undeniable identification, like a symbol giving irrefutable connection between parties.
5480 /xáragma ("brand-mark") was originally any impress on a coin or a seal, used by an engraver on a die (stamp, branding iron).5480 (xáragma) later became "the identification-marker" (like with an owner'sunique "brand-mark").
[Ancient documents were validated by such stamps or seals (see Plutarch, Agesilaus, 15:6; De Lysandro16:2, ala DNTT, 2, 574).]


Good morning Ahwatukee,

Why can't I see it for what it is worth, it's some type of brand-mark given to those who worshiped the beast taking His Mark so they could can give back an identification number by remembering it in their head, or showing it in their hand by having the mark on them to give as identification of serving the beast?

This makes a lot more sense to me.

I don't see anything about a future device, looking at what the word for Mark meant back then at the time, you know friend, when they actually read about these things going on back then, I see nothing that leans towards technology in the passage so how can I make to be such ?
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[blue_ladybug]

I agree. An implanted chip, or tattoo of some sort, would be too easy to remove if someone decided they didn't want it anymore.. I think either it's a brand of some kind, like how they brand sheep with a number or the name of the ranch they come from. Or, the mark is spiritual, as another poster said. As for me, I'd rather starve to death before I'd have a chip implanted in me, or burned onto my skin.. lol

It really does not matter even if they do put chips in our hand or forehead. It still won't be the mark of the beast.

It may be the method in which they will stop us from buying and selling but it still is not the mark.

There is no solid biblical reason to suggest the chips are the mark of the beast.

The mark has to do with forced worship. Those who don't take it are those who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus.