I beg to differ.
I would rather address atheists, at least they don't pose as believers.
Healing in the Atonement?
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I would rather address atheists, at least they don't pose as believers.
What? Are we going to have a shoot out? lol Dude, the thread is over 20 pages long, so I'm sure I missed a thing or two. What do you want to know?
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Thank you, you said people did not respond to your Isa 53 comments, and I asked you to go back to post 141 and look at quite a few posts. That would be a good place to start my friend.
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This is disgusting. Now its not just a lack of complete trust but now its to be an unbeliever at all if He says to you, My grace is sufficient? Disgusting.
Okay, I went back and looked and I don't see anybody addressing me or my comments. They're talking to Ben. I see lots of discussion of Is. 53 but no responses to my specific questions. If Isaiah 53:4,5 apply to us, and if the context is physical healing, that means that "by His stripes we are healed" applies to us in the context of physical healing. You either have to say that the context isn't physical healing, which is contrary to Matthew 8:16,17, or you have to say that it doesn't apply to us today, which would seem to deny us all of the benefits of the substitutionary work of Christ in the atonement. Certainly the sin aspect is included, but since sickness is a byproduct of sin it would stand to reason that Jesus bore that as well, in light of what Matthew said.
Oh, do tell me who does.
Or rather perhaps you would like to explain to all the readers here how you so came about this conclusion and spoke so willfully in haste. You are showing familiarity to those with keen eyes growing brighter and fiercer. Only the fallen ones wish to diminish the Sovereignty of the Savior of the world. The Holy One Moves hurricanes at His will alone. And as ive stated before.
The enemy is wailing about now in severe pain in knowing its time is short. There will be no pity for its seed and kind anymore.
They have attempted many forms of imputing sin where there is none countless times through many form of media, and even attempted to creep into houses that have grown far more passive than the Lord ever called His Children to be.
Gentleness and Kindness are kept guard by Faithfulness and Knowledge.
And so again the enemy while anticipating the torment of impending destruction goes about seeking whom they can devour.
But the sheep will not answer the voice of a strange fire.
What then is with Thomas? He was not under the disciples when Jesus breathed to them.
And acts 19,2 is only mentioned because to show to the Followers of John the Baptist, that they need the Holy Spirit, too.
But not for to create a new doctrine.
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This is what was discussed in those posts. Are you going to discuss them or not.. My posts addressed anyone who thought it was something different (I did not address ben, I was addressing all who think Is 53 had to do with physical healing, I even adressed this to you when you said no one answered concerning Isa 53.
as for the interpretation of Is 53, You only gave 2, There is one more. That Is 53 concerns our SPIRITUAL healing NOT Physical healing (Physical healing was one of the signs of the one who would make atonement) and thus is still applicable for all today. but that was adressed in later posts. and we can get to that when we get to it. Lets start with these posts first.
Death is a byproduct of sin also. DO people still die? Is Paul still living and walking the earth today being an apostle?
again, Those posts were about this subject, You want to discuss, can you discuss them?
This is what was addressed in those posts, Can you address them or not?
You are the one who has spoken in haste if you think I said God doesn't control the weather. And to add to your hasty mistake, you say I resemble or seem to have familiarity with Satan and his demons. If the problem is IQ and an inability in reading comprehension, you aren't to blame, but given how eloquently you worded my resemblance to and familiarity with fallen angels, I don't think the problem is reading comprehension. I would guess its a desire to speak without listening and a desire to be admired.
thank God throughout the history of the Church, men have been willing to do battle over sound doctrine. without it, there would be no statement of faith to post.
Tim Challies says:
The third test is the test of consistency. Sound doctrine is consistent with the whole of Scripture; false doctrine is inconsistent with some parts of Scripture. There is a sameness or familiarity to true doctrine and a strangeness or unfamiliarity to false doctrine. The man who wrote the letter to the Hebrews warned his congregation about “diverse and strange teachings,” while Paul warned Timothy about accepting “different doctrine” (Hebrews 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:3, 6:3). Both meant to emphasize that doctrine must always be compared to the established, accepted body of truth. Those who are knowledgeable about that body of truth will be in the best position to immediately identify and refute what is false.
Because there can be no contradiction in the mind of God, there can be no contradiction in the revelation of God.
This is tied to a key theological principle, “the analogy of faith,” which is often explained with the phrase “Scripture interprets Scripture.”If the Bible originates in the infallible mind of God, it must be consistent throughout. Because there can be no contradiction in the mind of God, there can be no contradiction in the revelation of God. What the Bible teaches in one place it cannot refute in another. Therefore, any true doctrine must be consistent with the whole of Scripture. Doctrine must never be treated in isolation, but always in light of a correct understanding of the entire Bible. Too many false teachers isolate verses or ideas that cannot withstand the scrutiny of the whole Book.
The test: Is this doctrine established or refuted by the entirety of Scripture?
https://www.challies.com/articles/test-every-doctrine-test-every-teacher/ <---- link
doctrine, sound doctrine, matters.
It is you that does not understand nor were given Understanding
John 18 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
18 After Yeshua had said all this, he went out with his talmidim across the stream that flows in winter through the Vadi Kidron, to a spot where there was a grove of trees; and he and his talmidim went into it. 2 Now Y’hudah, who was betraying him, also knew the place; because Yeshua had often met there with his talmidim. 3 So Y’hudah went there, taking with him a detachment of Roman soldiers and some Temple guards provided by the head cohanim and the P’rushim; they carried weapons, lanterns and torches. 4 Yeshua, who knew everything that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them,
“Whom do you want?”
“Yeshua from Natzeret,” they answered.
He said to them,
“I AM.” Also standing with them was Y’hudah, the one who was betraying him. When he said,
“I AM,”
they went backward from him and fell to the ground. 7 So he inquired of them once more, “Whom do you want?”
and they said, “Yeshua from Natzeret.”
“I told you,
‘I AM,’”
answered Yeshua,
“so if I’m the one you want, let these others go.”
9 This happened so that what he had said might be fulfilled, “I have not lost one of those you gave me.”
The enemy has no permission to do any sort of semblance of what is written in iyov to any believer in Yeshua.
I have no need to explain what i see in the Spirit, and what you do not. This thread is about Healing and is a place where healing will take place.
But one thing you will find. It is written that all who came to Jesus where healed. For that you have to read all the Gospel. No compare to today healings when the most must go back still sick ore handycappted.
You're a piece of work, you are. You just change what you say. First you have an unholy fit that I appear to you to be saying God does not control the weather when what I was saying was the exact opposite. Now you're having a fit that God gave permission to Satan in Job to bring a whirlwind and collapse houses. Take your unholy fits elsewhere. I certainly won't enable you in your tantrums.
